Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
^^ well whatever analogy works for you
my argument is that the reason there are palestinian refugees and palestinian land is under occupation is due to arabs launching wars and losing them against Israel
When I was a kid, I always used to side with the Palestine cause and against the Israelis, but now I think they both are correct in a way and a compromise is the only solution.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
^^ exactly, what I have been advocating all along
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When I was a kid, I always used to side with the Palestine cause and against the Israelis, but now I think they both are correct in a way and a compromise is the only solution.
Won't you like to share with us why Israeli occupation is correct?
Also please let us know how can Zionists and Muslims have a compromise on Baitul Maqdas.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
^^ exactly, what I have been advocating all along
You have been abusing Palestinians all along.
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It is not my personal opinion. Pakistanis do not consider Kashmir a part of India. That’s why we have given thousands of lives.
And in your support to Zionism, you are willing to be Pakistan’s enemy.
Israeli occupation should end unconditionally.
This is after Aaliyahs started.
Source? Any source. Just interested.
According to Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion’s biographer, in the book “Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs: From Peace to War”.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19850601fabook11498/shabtai-teveth/ben-gurion-and-the-palestinian-arabs-from-peace-to-war.html
In all of Palestine there were [in 1906] 700,000 inhabitants, only 55,000 of whom were Jews, and only 550 of these were [Zionists] pioneers.
Truth is that Israelis have been displacing Palestinians in order to declare their right to racist state.
Ben Gurion:
http://quitpalestine.org/about/
“With compulsory transfer we will have a vast area … I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral about it.”
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You have been abusing Palestinians all along.
Nope Never.
You arrived at this view simply because I am even handed in my approach to Israel and Palestine
I have always blamed Arab countries for starting wars with Israel and the Palestinians paying the price
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How is Israel’s Pakistan’s enemy?
Ok so that means even if Arab and Palestinians have pledged to destroy Israel, Israel should withdraw from the occupied territories so that its major cities like Tel Aviv are only 10km from the border and should be open to attack?
That will never happen. Israel withdrew from the Sinai after Egypt made peace with Israel. If the Palestinians and Arabs make peace with Israel and don’t pledge to destroy it, then Israel will withdraw
Nope it isnt.
Have you ever heard of thing called google ?
So of the 55,000 Jews only 550 were Zionists? You are negating yourself.
Palestinians only got displaced after the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948 and in the process the Palestinians got displaced. There were no Palestinian refugees before 1948
Please tell me when he said this quote
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I called YOU an enemy of Pakistan.
Just to make your point in favor of Zionists, in various threads, you have spoken against the founder of Pakistan as he was against the userpers, you have spoken against the creation of Pakistan, and now you support India's illegal occupation of Kashmir because this is what Zionists have done with Islam's holy places.
Since you made the claim, you obviously know the source. So there should be no problem for you giving it to me. Why do you want me to waste my time for something you already know?
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If the Palestinians and Arabs make peace with Israel and don't pledge to destroy it, then Israel will withdraw
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So of the 55,000 Jews only 550 were Zionists? You are negating yourself.
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The point was to make known what Ben-Gurion thought was the percentage of Palestinian and Jewish population at the start of century, to prove that Israel was created in 1948 on the land of Zionist settlers, who did not originally belong to Islamic land.
If you have questions about Zionists not being 550 than talk to Ben-Gurion, who made this claim.
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Please tell me when he said this quote
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Why don't you follow your own advice? Remember you advised me to use google?
He said that in 1938. Quoted in "Expulsion of the Palestinians, Nur Masalha, p. 117"
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Zionists tell a white lie when they say that their occupation of Muslim holy land is the result of Arabs starting wars. These racists had always wanted Israel to go far beyond what Europeans had given them in 1948. In fact, they had the concept of Eretz Israel way before 1948.
Although Ben-Gurion accepted partition, he did not view the borders of the Peel commission plan as permanent. He saw no contradiction between accepting the Jewish state in part of Palestine and hoping to expand the borders of this state to the whole Land of Israel. The difference between him and the Revisionists was not that he was a territorial minimalist while they were territorial maximalists but rather that he pursued a gradualist strategy while they adhered to an all-or-nothing approach.
The nature and extent of Ben-Gurion’s territorial expansionism were revealed with startling frankness in a letter he sent to his son Amos from London on 5 October 1937. There Ben-Gurion professed himself to be an enthusiastic advocate of a Jewish state, even if it involved the partitioning of Palestine, because he worked on the assumption that this state would be not the end but only the beginning. A state would enable the Jews to have unlimited immigration, to build a Jewish economy, and to organize a first-class army. “I am certain,” he wrote, “we will be able to settle in all the other parts of the country, whether through agreement and mutual understanding with our Arab neighbours or in another way.” Both his mind and his heart told Ben-Gurion, “Erect a Jewish State at once, even if it is not in the whole land. The rest will come in the course of time. It must come.” (Avi Shlaim, The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World, Penguin, 2000, p 21)
Ben Gurion on the borders of Eretz Israel:
"**[T]o the north, the Litani river, to the northeast, the Wadi 'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al 'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan.**" (Quoted, Nur Masalha, Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of "Transfer" in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948, 1992, p 87).
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LOL 
When did I support India’s occupation of Kashmir? I was against the creation of Pakistan as it weakened Muslims in South Asia. A United India with 500 Million Muslims would have been just phenomenal.
Come Again?
Most Arab Dicatatorships after losing many wars to Israel no longer. But what about the people?
Because in the Camp David Accords Barak was forced by Clinton to compromise on it and he agreed it. So Israelis can be pushed into this concession.
And what if the palestinians just use this as a pretext to launch further attacks on Israel? Without a proper framework, there cannot be an unconditional withdrawl
Again you are wrong. The population census included all arabs living in palestine and jordan
Of course there were 550K Israelis.
I did found nothing of repute.
Wow, from a book whose author is Nur Masalha
wonderful