Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
It's ironic how so many Pakistanis continue to criticize Israel and bend over for the Palestinians, yet they can't even let the stranded Urdu-speaking Bihari Muslims come back to Pakistan while being stuck in disgusting camps in Bangladesh to this day.
And, Muslims have murdered far more Muslims than Israel has, but apparently, most people on this forum seem to be too dumb to comprehend that, and instead bend over for Khaleeji Arabs to make Pakistan a carbon-copy of Saudi Arabia.
Most of us support having the Biharis return to Pakistan...
Muslim countries that treat people like animals and deprive them of their basic rights should be shunned be they Muslim or other...
You however for some reason associate not supporting Israel as support for Arabs...
First of all, there is nothing wrong with supporting Arabs... As fellow Muslims, we have stronger tie to them then anyt Israeli...
Second, this isnt about the Palestinians being Arab, its about Israel treating them like sh1t... Its your short sightedness that makes you think otherwise...
Your whole post is nothing more then a cloaked expression of your own bigotry and bias...
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Thats debatable. Pakistan hasnt occupied anyone or turned people into destitute refugee’s either… (Hold for those who would care to differ )
If Pakistan doesnt start treating relgious minorites better, then Pakistan doesnt have a right to exist either. But the problem with Pakistan is far more complex and you cant just wrap it into pretty little package and group it with countries like Israel… But Pakistan has gone through the fires of hell, and its will again in the future… But Israel wil continue to garner billions in support and hordes of people to rally to their side.
The unfortunate/fortunate part is that with Pakistan, all we can do is continue to work hard towards improving things.
In the case of Israel, we have no such obligations.. We dont need to accept them. Accepting them will make no difference, they will neither change nor care whether we accepet them or not.
It will be nothing more then another hit at our self respect.
You make compramises where you have to, thats being practical, but when you dealing with a country like Israel from whom you have nothing to gain from, and who treats people like cattle, then we can do without such “friends.” Better our self respect then then whatever cheap advatage we can gain from them.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Muslim countries that treat people like animals and deprive them of their basic rights should be shunned be they Muslim or other...
wouldn't that then include a majority of so called muslim countries? apart from the current headline grabbers (iraq, iran, pakistan, saudi arabia) numerous others are committing major muslim on muslim murder, rape and genocide which are not so much in the headlines. think of bangla desh, indonesia, african countries, palestine, syria etc.
this is one of the reasons I am fed up with islam being identified as uniting factor whereas current reality is the opposite
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Well Israel treats its religious minorities better than Pakistan does. I hate Israel as much as anyone else here but I would be a fool to deny this.
why do you hate israel at all? there is no such thing as a muslim cause. does pakistan have any issues with israel? NONE. why be another sheep and bleat without reason just because others do?
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Israel occupies one of Islam's holiest places.
so what? by making friends with israel, you will then be able to visit the holy place. by being israel's enemy you are actually preventing muslims from visiting the holy place.
and isn't it one of their holiest if not the holiest place also?
I don’t like Israel for a myriad of reasons, which include its illegal occupation of Palestinian land and their handling of the war last summer.
However, my beef with Israel is political, as I have no beef with the people themselves.
I am of the belief that economic relations can bring back the '67 borders, not fighting over stupid wars.
So do the Wahhabis, yet it doesn’t seem to bother you, does it?
I’d rather see Mecca and Medina under Turkish or Shi’a control than under Wahhabis.
BTW, at least the Israelis respect the sancity of religious sites in Jerusalem.
What do the stupid Saudis do? They build skyscrapers around Makkah and destroy priceless artifacts of Islamic heritage on the basis of “shirk”. Jannatul-Baqi ring a bell?
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
so what? by making friends with israel, you will then be able to visit the holy place. by being israel's enemy you are actually preventing muslims from visiting the holy place.
By the same token, would it be ok to make friends with someone that occupies Kaaba?
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and isn't it one of their holiest if not the holiest place also?
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So? Does it make it less holier for Muslims?
Whether you like to admit or not, Palestinian cause is a Muslim cause.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
So do the Wahhabis, yet it doesn't seem to bother you, does it?
Zionsts are worst. Wahhabis are not going to destroy Kaaba and Prophet's mosque. But Zionists are going to do exactly that with Quds.
Looking at it from non-religious pov, Wahhabis did not occupy Hejaz by forceful evictions, and illegitimate migrations and settlements of foreigners. Zionism is apartheid, racism, and fascism. Not even many Jews support Zionists.
And while we are at this topic, let me say it again that I have not been able to verify the claim that Afghanistan is going to recognize Israel.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Zionsts are worst. Wahhabis are not going to destroy Kaaba and Prophet's mosque. But Zionists are going to do exactly that with Quds.
Wouldn't they have done that years ago?
Wahhabis have destroyed the Ajyad Fortress, the site of the Battle of Uhud, and Jannatul-Baqi, and were almost close to destroying the home of the Prophet (pbuh).
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Looking at it from non-religious pov, Wahhabis did not occupy Hejaz by forceful evictions, and illegitimate migrations and settlements of foreigners. Zionism is apartheid, racism, and fascism. Not even many Jews support Zionists.
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Zionism is a complex matter that cannot be understand in the manner that you have displayed.
As I said before, Hejaz was much better under Turkish control than Wahhabi control.
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