Afghanistan Elections

election campaign in afghanistan on its way…please post all relevant material under this thread…thanks

Afghan election campaign begins
There are fears that the voting process will not be free or fair
Campaigning has begun in earnest on Tuesday for Afghanistan’s first presidential election, with a series of rallies expected across the country.

The country’s first nationwide vote is being seen as a landmark in efforts to bring democracy after years of war.

Eighteen candidates are standing in the 9 October poll, including interim leader Hamid Karzai.

Campaigning is taking place amid warnings that voters are threatened by insecurity, violence and intimidation.

Low-key campaign

Afghanistan has never before experienced the cut and thrust of political campaigning, including rallies and gatherings, and party political broadcasts, says the BBC’s Andrew North in Kabul.

Each candidate is guaranteed 20 minutes a week on state television.

But there are numerous concerns, including security fears and the fact that many of the 10.5 million registered voters simply do not exist, our correspondent says.

Large numbers of people appear to have signed up several times.

Among the rallies due to be held on Tuesday is one in Kabul by the only woman presidential candidate, Masooda Jalal, and will be attended only by women.

Another rally is scheduled in the town of Jalalabad.

The United Nations, the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and Afghan human rights workers have expressed fears about the fairness of the campaign and vote.

‘Heavily circumscribed’

The UN and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission say a lack of information about democracy is making voters vulnerable to manipulation.

In a report released on Monday, they said that even the most basic conditions for a democratic vote are in danger of not being met, following a wave of militant attacks.

Only one of the 18 candidates is a woman

Last week the OSCE - a top election observer body - said that the country’s poor security situation makes it impossible “meaningfully” to monitor the polls.

“Freedom of movement is heavily circumscribed,” an OSCE report said, “and there are large no-go areas for the international community.”

Meanwhile, there are concerns that more people have registered to vote than are eligible, and that voter fraud will inevitably result.

President Hamid Karzai is seeking a popular mandate in the landmark vote, which precedes parliamentary polls due to take place in April.

THe security situation is still precarious and no one can say for sure that it would be a smooth sailing.Talibani remanants and AlQaida outlaws are still quite active and they have the ability and capacity to disrupt such activities. THe worst thing is that United States failed to disarm the militia or for that matter the former warlords and their respective armies...people who have sway over their respective areas and where the law or the policies of the Centre does not hold. ( i know it wasn't really easy and to an extent impractical).With 18 candidates this would be one interesting episode. But one wonders whether KArzai would be able to get the hot seat again at a time when his own ministers wanted him to step down and are contesting the elections instead of withdrawing their names as per the instructions of United States.

I don't think its intelligent to focus so much on democracy at this point in time. For Pakistan I believe KArzai still remains the best choice. Right now the major centres i believe are Herat,HAzara, Kandhar, Jalalabad, PAktia....what are the other tribal strongholds???

As per the ** Minerva** statement…

" whether KArzai would be able to get the hot seat again at a time when his own ministers wanted him to step down and are contesting the elections instead of withdrawing their names as per the instructions of United States. "

As far as I can see the present political situation here in Kabul and talking to different people … It seems to be… That, 18 candidates wont participate in Elections… I think we will see WITHDRAWINGS of lots of them .. they will come to the point of some COMON INTEREST either with KARZAI or OPPOSITE to KARZAI…

Two.. Points… If they really want to put Karzai in Trouble… They will have to agree on one Candidate having support of All Anti Karzai War Lords…

Secondly… Majority of the Candidates may find it ATTRACTIVE to surrender in KARZAI’s Favour… Although Karzai Have rejected the possibility of SHARED GOVT… But who knows .. :wink: its Politics..

Karzai is Currently in Strongest Position… If all other Contest again him.. all the VOTE is devided and Benifit goes to Karzai… If the UNITE.. they can give him tough time… BUT… Ground Realities are.. THEY CANNOT even if they Unite…

AHMAD SHAH MASOUD was considered one of the Strongest person in Afghanistan… and.. Still.. He he Considered as a HERO in all over TAJIK community… One of the Strongest Point KArzai has… One of Masoud’d brother… ( AHMAD ZIA ) is already his future VICE PRESIDENT and… another brother… ( Ahmad Wali Masoud ) has not yet shown his support to anyone.. BUT.. from his statements it seemz to be that he will support Karzai…
Few days back he has Criticise Younas Qanooni… For Putting MASOUD’s Picture in the background of Qanooni’s Compaign Posters.. it shows a glimse of his thoughts towards Qanooni…

In Kabul City.. Now adays.. you will se… QANOONI’s Posters all over… other candidates have also decorated :smiley: Kabul with their Pics and Messages… BUT… you wont see even a Single Poster coming from KARZAI… It shows.. that… He thinks… HE DONT NEED TO PRINT POSTERS FOR HIS COMPAING… :slight_smile:

/\ was my idea about the election… BUT apart of all the above discusion… ELECTIONS WONT BE FAIR… So… Does’t matter wat ever the Truth and reality is…

USA WILL WIN ELECTION … Not the Candidate… :wink:

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Wow, thanks for the detailed analysis.
But do you also think that even if all the democrats (so called, lets say) QUNOONI et all go against karzai they would still somehow support the warlords? I understand that anysuch profession as politics leads one to make as they say ' strange bedfellows' but wouldn't that mean disaster in the long run???

the transparency of the elections is a question and quite a reasonable one too :-)

Deasr Phoenixdesi.

Salaams,

The question is why are, we muslim so foolish. Why can not we bring unity in our SAFOUN mein. So that there may be some trasnsparency of elections.

The fact, the reality, the HAQEQAT is, we muslims are not MUTTAHED. We are not working with HIKMAT. We work with emotions only.

We(SAREY FIRQEY ) are busy in their own PAGAL PUN. Every one think I won , I did this MARKA of proving this through ahadeez; Whether other believes in your quoted ahadeez or not?
HUM TOU MOUSIR HEIN HAMAREY AHADEEZ KO MANOU , WERNA TUM SHIRK KAR RAHEY HOU

They till date do not know, that how come you would prove some religious , islamic thing to some one who gives two-----to your ahadeez collection. They say they are self made, self concocted stories.

So what shall one do to prove ? what ever you want to prove; either prove it with logic or prove it from their books, since your books are not authentic in others eyes.

Ofcourse if muslims would continue throughing mud on others; our graphs are going to reach on negative infinity, in every respect of life, as a whole.

I myself is fed up with my parents and grand parents, listening ahadeez , ayesha said this , Ali said this, umar said this etc etc. Telling srtories about room of prophet (Pbuh). Who had cameras then to place in there or who was so besharam lady who used to tell every bit of her private bed room scene stories. Lahol willa qouata illabillah.

All such stories are written by enemies of islam during their rules and they quoted it he said , she said. They did, so to make fun of muslims and to write books such as RAGELA RASOUL naouzobillah.

Muslims would never correct themselves.

Election in Afghanistan would be as america wanted it.

We muslims can do a great job of killing each other or who so ever, thinking it is their success . Who explain it to them?. No matter who so ever is ruling ; let peace prevail. You would be elected when ever you would be economically, technically etc would be strong, let yourself stay alive. Life is very precious. Wait for a little while, confrontation with their own AFghani, who so ever they are, is useless, this makes maericans hands and determination more strong. Muslims are gaining nothing from their this kind of sick mentality.

In iraq, MUQTADA SADR!! another -----behaving like----
First they call , and then they fight. They think America is a fool. Iraqis have called them to save them from saddam. America came now they want them MAA SALAMA. Selfishly they are behaving. Why did not they made the hands of sadam Hussain strong; if they had to fight with america. Now they should stay quite. Let the election happen , and act according to the situation which would arise. Not now.

Every life in Faloujja and Tikrek , and Najaf or what ever other areas are in iraq are important. First they should save every ones life.If he would fight with america, with people from falouja, tekrek and najaf, is he killing america only. He is responsible of taking lives of iraqi also; either from americans bullets or theirs. IRAQIES ARE DYING .Sad very sad. They all suffered with the exception of few thousands in saddam Hussains time and now also they are suffering and they are being killed.

At the end america would win. Self created problems have no remedy.
Bye sokoon

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*Originally posted by Minerva: *
THe security situation is still precarious and no one can say for sure that it would be a smooth sailing.Talibani remanants and AlQaida outlaws are still quite active and they have the ability and capacity to disrupt such activities. THe worst thing is that United States failed to disarm the militia or for that matter the former warlords and their respective armies...people who have sway over their respective areas and where the law or the policies of the Centre does not hold. ( i know it wasn't really easy and to an extent impractical).With 18 candidates this would be one interesting episode. But one wonders whether KArzai would be able to get the hot seat again at a time when his own ministers wanted him to step down and are contesting the elections instead of withdrawing their names as per the instructions of United States.

I don't think its intelligent to focus so much on democracy at this point in time. For Pakistan I believe KArzai still remains the best choice. Right now the major centres i believe are Herat,HAzara, Kandhar, Jalalabad, PAktia....what are the other tribal strongholds???
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Hazara is not a 'major center,' its an ethnic group of people living in Afghanistan. If you meant Hazarajat then that's a different case.

Minerva…

First of all let me admitt.. I could’t get your question … BUT.. as far as I understand wat you said…

U mean… Qanooni et will Support War Lords… OR… Qanooni Et all will be supported by Warlords.. ?

The Simple Anser is… Qanooni Et all ARE THE WARLORDS… :slight_smile:

Disaster in LongRun. if Warlords Comes to Power… U mean?

All the Warlords in Afghanistan are Full till Throut with USDs… They had been Given so so much Money that.. they are not in the position to even move… U know.. When U eat Too much.. You dont want to move :smiley:

Two Main Targets for US are… So Called Mulla Umar (Osama and Alqaeda Etc) and.. HIKMATYAR… these are the tow major Forces who are still US Allies… ( Seems to be on Front end )

Hikamtyar is the Biggest Threat… He was Supported in Past by… IRAN as well as Pakistan… He as Still good Relations with Both… Although now a days he is not active… BUT… He is the POWER in Afghanistan…
In Afghan Govt… NGOS… and all othe important Dept… U will see lots of ppl.. Who were from HIZB… all Hikmatyar Followers… and they are sitll Silent Supporters for Hikmatyar..

So… In current condition and Situation… People here dont have much choices… for WHO SHOULD COME TO POWER.. or.. WILL IT BE BAD IN LONG RUN…

US is in Kabul and… They will not leave for long long time… If they want to Make Peace in Afghanistan… They will have to ALLOW… TALIBAN and HIKMATYAR both to Particapte in Elections… may be in next one :slight_smile:

I dont think there is anohter way to make Afghanistan Stable…

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Pekhawari, yes its HAzarajaat and I guess I wanted to make some point regarding that but not about HAzarajaat the area in Afghanistan.

GS, thanks again. I know they are all former warlords and Qunnoni I believe is the same person who was in the Northern Alliance. right?Thats why I said referred to them as so called democrats :)

But since you mentioned Hikmatyaar, well I haen't seen his name or any news item regarding him since a long time. He was in the news till last year but what became of him. Maybe I missed something...

And by the way, I don't think anybody would support the idea of bringing back Taliban or for that matter Hizb. Weren't they the arch rivals???

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*Originally posted by Minerva: *
Pekhawari, yes its HAzarajaat and I guess I wanted to make some point regarding that but not about HAzarajaat the area in Afghanistan.

GS, thanks again. I know they are all former warlords and Qunnoni I believe is the same person who was in the Northern Alliance. right?Thats why I said referred to them as so called democrats :)

But since you mentioned Hikmatyaar, well I haen't seen his name or any news item regarding him since a long time. He was in the news till last year but what became of him. Maybe I missed something...

And by the way, I don't think anybody would support the idea of bringing back Taliban or for that matter Hizb. Weren't they the arch rivals???
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Hikmatyar is Out of News... thats Why I mentioned him as Threat... COZ... Silent Power can ba a Big Storm... and.. No U never Missed something... He is out of scene.. :)

For the Support to Talibaan or Hizb..

I would say... There are still people who still support Talibaan. BUT cannot do it openly..
And... as far as Hizb is concern... Its My Silent Guess.. that... If... Hikmatyar is in the Election.. He will Have Tramendous Support ...

And... Ya... Talibaan and Hizb were and are Rivals...

Althoug Both were Supported by PAK :D

thanks GS. Please, tell us more if you have a tad bit more information than whats being posted as news....

They(US) should put the monarchy back …..You never know I might become the next king of …….

http://7am.com/cgi-bin/wires02.cgi?1000_2004091704.htm

Afghan Assassination Attempt Arrests
3:51 pm PST, 17 September 2004

Three men have been arrested for trying to kill the Afghan President during his first election campaign trip outside the capital Kabul.

The Interior Ministry says the men were captured just after the unsuccessful attack on Hamid Karzai in the southeastern town of Gardez.

The ministry says the men have admitted firing a rocket at Mr Karzai’s helicopter.

Taliban guerrillas earlier claimed responsibility. They have vowed to disrupt Afghanistan’s first-ever direct presidential polls on October 9.

More from Zalmay Khalilzad

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040917-010652-5893r.htm

KHALILZAD Is Typical Pro-Indian... He Has Laways Tried to Criticise Pakistan...

And.. Majority of the Time.. He is onto a FOOOOOLISH statements...

My Predictions.. for HIm.... I dont think we will see him for Long as US Ambasader... :)

khuda khair rakhay…i can see some serious bloodshed in upcoming afghan elections…i hope every thing will go peacefully inshallah…

Afghan warlords ‘threaten poll’
By Andrew North
BBC correspondent in Kandahar

The report says warlords have used intimidation to get their way
The power of Afghan armed factions means elections there will go ahead in an environment of fear and repression, US-based Human Rights Watch says.

A 51-page report released on Tuesday says local warlords are involved in widespread intimidation aimed at affecting the 9 October poll results.

Most are former Mujahideen leaders and are resisting efforts to disarm them.

The study says warlords are using threats of violence to ensure people vote for their preferred candidate.

While the continuing Taliban insurgency often gets more headlines, it is the grip these commanders retain that worries more people here.

‘US complacency’

In some areas the report, entitled The Rule of the Gun, argues the power of the warlords is so entrenched that political activists and journalists are censoring themselves for fear of retaliation.

The US group also attacks the American government for complacency about the country’s election process and for continuing to work with many of these warlord figures in its war on terror, a strategy it calls self-defeating.

Speaking just before the report’s release, the US ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad, acknowledged the issue.

However, he said progress is being made in what he called breaking the back of warlordism.

But it is partly because so many militia commanders are still in power that many believe it is too dangerous to hold polls in Afghanistan now, including several candidates who have called for the polls to be postponed.

And Human Rights Watch says the risks have been increased by serious shortcomings in the election organisation process as well as with the level of independent monitoring.

Good To Read :slight_smile:

There are some speculation from some Agencies.. that… APPX 25000 men from Diff groups have entered Kabul to Destry the Elections inside the Kabul.

So… Khuda Kher karay …

All other Internations Agencies are MOving their INternational Staff away from Afghanistan to Nearby countries..

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^ Can they not hold election in only certain well behaved cities. Just like it is being touted for Iraq?

Gupta and what are those err well-behaved cities are. If they can do it in KAbul, they will be able to wreak havoc anywhere. The question is who are these people?
GS, are these guys remanants of Taliban and Al-Qaida? How much support does Talibans have in the present day Afghanistan where warlords are back in full swing. Does Pashtuns have any soft corner for them?

Anyhow, I hope everything goes out well in Afghanistan. I was reading a news article where it was stated that even the tribesmen belonging to Karzais tribe have threatened the people that if they won't vote for KArzai , their houses would be burnt and property torched. Such tactics are being employed for intimidating poor Afghans.

Dear Gupta Gi..

Afghanistan is lots more Diff than Iraq..

Here the Biggest prob is the ETHNIC HATERED… and… If they Select Some cities… it will be a Big Criticism.. on the Selectors… Everybody will say.. that they have selected FAV areas…

Here Diffrernt Ethnic groups simply HATE eachother…

Secondly… If U search for Welbehaved Cites… U wont Find it…

The So Called Most Behaved one is KABUL … and.. KABUL is also at RISK…

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