Afghan war is war on Islam: UK PM advisor

[shardmanny]

Why do some people here support and protect the taliban??????

FIRSTLY i'd like to say how glad i am someone from the absolute leadership of the coallition forces has come out and indirectly admitted this war is not about muslims being terrorists. and in truth the war is about stopping an alliance of the ummah, therefor directly admitted to be fighting on false pretences

secondly, all those who oppose the WOT are in oneway or another supporting and protecting talibs.

especially in this thread where the paranoia of nato countries is laid bare, to protect the lives of a tribal, poor people is the right thing to do.

lastly but most importantly, talibs put trust in Allah (swt) and follow the example of RasoolAllah (saw), so religiously they are muslims of the highest order - only government to have been judged to have been shariah compliant. RasoolAllah (saw) said all muslims are one brotherhood, one nation in his last sermon as a reminder. Allah swt says in the Quranekareem that we are not to join the jews and christians to kill the muslims, those who support the killing of muslims are not muslims at all, so i hope this gives you an idea of whatswhat

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

lastly but most importantly, talibs put trust in Allah (swt) and follow the example of RasoolAllah (saw), so religiously they are muslims of the highest order - only government to have been judged to have been shariah compliant. RasoolAllah (saw) said all muslims are one brotherhood, one nation in his last sermon as a reminder. Allah swt says in the Quranekareem that we are not to join the jews and christians to kill the muslims, those who support the killing of muslims are not muslims at all, so i hope this gives you an idea of whatswhat

Beating women for not covering the face is following the example of RasoolAllah (pbuh)?

Beating men for not having a beard is following the example of RasoolAllah (pbuh)?

The massacre of Shia Muslims following the capture of Mazar-i-Sharif was following the example of RasoolAllah (pbuh)?

Forbidding educational establishments for girls was following the example of the RasoolAllah (pbuh) ?

[firenze]

lastly but most importantly, talibs put trust in Allah (swt) and follow the example of RasoolAllah (saw),

oh for God sake. .don't get Prophet (PBUH) with the lines of filthy talibans.. the innocent murderer's..

these talibanic gay warriors are just worst then anything !

where did Prophet (PBUH) ban the women education and support bombing of their schools

where did Prophet (PBUH) support suicide attacks on Muslims .. and even on non-muslims...

get a freaking life and don't use my beloved Prophet (PBUH) name with your filthy crap bs talibanic losers...

they will burn in hell and earth ...InshALLAH !

[cricketplaya]

@thejoke

Regardless of whether anyone here supports a Caliphate WHY is it seen as something the Western World has to resist? Why should the British feel threatened if there is a genuine movement for a Caliphate? If they interfere in the Muslim World surely there will be a response?

I dont think there will be a Caliphate until Imam Mehdi arrives but there will be a build up.

Exactly. So you think the west is so dumb that they don’t know these prophecies? They know everything. They are doing whatever in their power to eliminate event the effort for a caliphate. If you believe there will be a build up then what makes you think the west will not stop that build up? It’s not all simple is it.

@firenze

Individual actions doesn’t represent a nation, even if American Soldiers misconduct and didn’t follow the war rules they were prosecuted and put on trial - some of them even landed in jails with their careers ended.

Finally a post that makes sense, coming from you. Now put yourself in the shoes of a poor Afghan. And think hard.

@frozen

well thats for people like Yvonne Ridley to judge weather afghan talibans are kharijis or whatever u like calling them cause she has interacted with them.

:k:

@Aashiq

i don’t really see how the wild west is more barbaric than taliban, they don’t go kaboom every day.

The west is not occupied. We’ll see who goes kaboom when your country is occupied and you have no where to run and no weapons.

@shardmanny

FIRSTLY i’d like to say how glad i am someone from the absolute leadership of the coallition forces has come out and indirectly admitted this war is not about muslims being terrorists. and in truth the war is about stopping an alliance of the ummah, therefor directly admitted to be fighting on false pretences

secondly, all those who oppose the WOT are in oneway or another supporting and protecting talibs.

especially in this thread where the paranoia of nato countries is laid bare, to protect the lives of a tribal, poor people is the right thing to do.

lastly but most importantly, talibs put trust in Allah (swt) and follow the example of RasoolAllah (saw), so religiously they are muslims of the highest order - only government to have been judged to have been shariah compliant. RasoolAllah (saw) said all muslims are one brotherhood, one nation in his last sermon as a reminder. Allah swt says in the Quranekareem that we are not to join the jews and christians to kill the muslims, those who support the killing of muslims are not muslims at all, so i hope this gives you an idea of whatswhat

:k:

@firenze

oh for God sake. .don’t get Prophet (PBUH) with the lines of filthy talibans.. the innocent murderer’s..

Yeah I guess our Prophet(SAW) will love your wine drinking habits.

Trust me Taliban are far better than most of you lot. At least they pray 5x a day and fulfill the basics of Islam AND are trying to implement sharia whereas the ordinary Muslims have a hard time praying even, forget about implementing sharia, they are cowards in that sense.

[ravage]

Re: Afghan war is war on Islam: UK PM advisor

is there any source for this news that isnt Hizb ut Tahrir (the nation cites Hizb ut Tehrir), and everywhere else its only Hizb ut Tehrir's press releases.

Does anyone have a proper news source? bbc shows are accessible for a week, it would be good to verify what was said.

[cricketplaya]

is there any source for this news that isnt Hizb ut Tahrir (the nation cites Hizb ut Tehrir), and everywhere else its only Hizb ut Tehrir's press releases.

Does anyone have a proper news source? bbc shows are accessible for a week, it would be good to verify what was said.

the audio clip is posted on first page..

[Himalaya]

@firenze

i have yet to see IN BARGRAM/Guantanmo/Abu Ghraib that a lady is shot in the head .. or a guy is torn into pieces alive.

this can be only claim by mighty talibans.. enjoy :k:

In Afghanistan the cvilised West uses carpet bombs and daisy cutters. They piled naked Iraqis on one another. I have no idea why you glorigy the West so much. o matter how much you bend they will never accept you.

[Himalaya]

Trust me Taliban are far better than most of you lot. At least they pray 5x a day and fulfill the basics of Islam AND are trying to implement sharia whereas the ordinary Muslims have a hard time praying even, forget about implementing sharia, they are cowards in that sense.

What sort of Muslim prays 5 times a day and has such a rigid extreme interpretation of Islam? The taliban had a very limited understanding of what Islam is.

Having an extreme form of Shariah is not Shariah at all.

[khoji]

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“There is an Islamist agenda which if we don’t oppose and face it off in southern Afghanistan, or Afghanistan, or in South Asia, then frankly that influence will grow. We could see it moving from South Asia to the Middle East to North Africa and to the high water mark of the Islamic caliphate in the 14th, 15th Century.”
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He is using wrong words, but his message is the same as all Muslims know. It is the fasaadi mufsideen he is reffering to. And yes, these anti-Islam mufsideen need to be opposed by Muslims; as ordered by Quran.

The reason he uses the word "Islamist" is that this good word has been unfortunately hijacked by extremist fasadis.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SECT IN THE WORLD, including sunnis, shias, salafis/ wahhabis, who does not consider these fasadi actions against the teachings of Islam. These fasadis are advocates of Shaitan.

[cricketplaya]

What sort of Muslim prays 5 times a day and has such a rigid extreme interpretation of Islam? The taliban had a very limited understanding of what Islam is.

Having an extreme form of Shariah is not Shariah at all.

Again, you are going by what their enemies want you to hear. I can show you thousands of pictures where women and children have been mutilated by the Pakistani army. Do I blame the whole Pakistani army for actions and/or orders of a few? This world is a mess. Let's not try to stop the people from bringing sharia. Their ways might not be understood by us sitting on our comfortable chairs in rooms with electricity 24/7. Their ways should be taken into context of the situation in a lawless Afghanistan. Their ways should be appreciated in the context of the bloody wars their people have been used in for decades.** They should be thanked for eradicating bacha bazi disease, sale of women, rapes of women, drug$ and warlords' violence. **

All of the things the ignorant bunch accuse them of, they the Taliban have at least tried to stop those things. What have those ignorant critics done to stop the fitna?** NOTHING**. In fact they are cheering on the same terrorists (West&co) who are responsible for the increase in drug trade, bringing back the hypocrites who practice such things and bringing more violence and lawlessness into the country.

He is using wrong words, but his message is the same as all Muslims know. It is the fasaadi mufsideen he is reffering to. And yes, these anti-Islam mufsideen need to be opposed by Muslims; as ordered by Quran.

The reason he uses the word "Islamist" is that this good word has been unfortunately hijacked by extremist fasadis.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SECT IN THE WORLD, including sunnis, shias, salafis/ wahhabis, who does not consider these fasadi actions against the teachings of Islam. These fasadis are advocates of Shaitan.

Now we're going to have to hear from the west who the fasadis are? Talk about height of hypocrisy my friend. Wake up before they use and abuse you even more than you're already been used.

And let me tell you, there are far more supporters of the Taliban than you may think. Here I'm not talking about TTP or other groups, I'm talking about Afghan Taliban.
The shias obviously want to distort the image of Taliban because they see them as a threat. They can't stand ANY POWER beside them. They want to cause chaos in every single country that has the potential to unite the sunnis. Yes I'm talking about the hypocrite persian state; Iran.

And the Salafis are fighting beside the Taliban. Try harder next time my friend.

[khoji]

Re: Afghan war is war on Islam: UK PM advisor

cricketp:

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Now we're going to have to hear from the west who the fasadis are?
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Everyone, regardless of his religion, knows what fasad is.

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There are far more supporters of the Taliban than you may think.
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So what does it prove? There are even more of those who oppose them.
Do the numbers mean righteousness?

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The shias obviously want to distort the image of Taliban because they see them as a threat...And the Salafis are fighting beside the Taliban. Try harder next time my friend.
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It is not just shias who oppose Taliban's fasad, but every Muslim, including salafis/ wahhabis.
Just because some salafi are among fasadi ranks does not mean that all salafis support them.

[AlexB]

“There is an Islamist agenda which if we don’t oppose and face it off in southern Afghanistan, or Afghanistan, or in South Asia, then frankly that influence will grow. We could see it moving from South Asia to the Middle East to North Africa and to the high water mark of the Islamic caliphate in the 14th, 15th Century.”

Thank you for bolding it out. The war against "Islamism" is not the same as the war against Islam. Islamism is a political movement that uses the religion of Islam as a tool toward its political ends.
There is nothing wrong with Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Lakota tribal faith or whatever, when it is a private faith of private individuals. It becomes a problem when any of it is used to foster a supremacist or dominatrix ideology (like Islamism).
For the anti-Zionists out there, just back off. Zionism is not a religious ideology and is not based of any fictitious Judaist supremacy ideas that anti-Zionists and anti-Semites are so fond of.

[cricketplaya]

cricketp:

Everyone, regardless of his religion, knows what fasad is.

So what does it prove? There are even more of those who oppose them. Do the numbers mean righteousness?

It is not just shias who oppose Taliban's fasad, but every Muslim, including salafis/ wahhabis. Just because some salafi are among fasadi ranks does not mean that all salafis support them.

Please save your lecture on fasad. I know exactly what it is and I know exactly what "others" think fasad is. Sadly, we don't have this much criticism to the REAL fasad (west&co). I wonder why?!

And you are again mistaken, salafis (apart from the saudi family of hypocrites) all support the Mujahideen. And every Muslim does not oppose Taliban! I don't! So am I not a Muslim no more!!???????

Thank you for bolding it out. The war against "Islamism" is not the same as the war against Islam. Islamism is a political movement that uses the religion of Islam as a tool toward its political ends. There is nothing wrong with Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Lakota tribal faith or whatever, when it is a private faith of private individuals. It becomes a problem when any of it is used to foster a supremacist or dominatrix ideology (like Islamism). For the anti-Zionists out there, just back off. Zionism is not a religious ideology and is not based of any fictitious Judaist supremacy ideas that anti-Zionists and anti-Semites are so fond of.

And your going to lecture me on Islam? Buddy, Islamism is a term coined by the enemies of Islam (including Israhell and America). The enemies do not want to see a united Muslim world community. That is why they are trying to oppose every effort of a united Muslim world. Please save your lectures for the islamaphobes among you.

[AlexB]

And your going to lecture me on Islam? Buddy, Islamism is a term coined by the enemies of Islam (including Israhell and America). The enemies do not want to see a united Muslim world community. That is why they are trying to oppose every effort of a united Muslim world. Please save your lectures for the islamaphobes among you.

Zeus forbid, I'm not trying to lecture you on Islam, Yahweh be my witness. :)
I have no problem with the Muslim community or any other community. I do have a problem when any religion becomes more than a private faith of private people and starts to impose rules and regulations on people who are not subscribed to that specific set of subjecftive beliefs. I don't want to see Islamic laws any more than I want to see Star trek laws or Tanach laws governing peoples' life.

[cricketplaya]

Zeus forbid, I'm not trying to lecture you on Islam, Yahweh be my witness. :) I have no problem with the Muslim community or any other community. I do have a problem when any religion becomes more than a private faith of private people and starts to impose rules and regulations on people who are not subscribed to that specific set of subjecftive beliefs. I don't want to see Islamic laws any more than I want to see Star trek laws or Tanach laws governing peoples' life.

Nobody is trying to impose Islamic laws on you. They go after Taliban because they can't stand Islamic laws being implemented on the Muslims? That does not make sense. Unless Taliban were in America trying to impose, then it makes sense to attack. You leave us alone, let us practice our faith, let us implement sharia in our lands. There will be no problems.

[AlexB]

Nobody is trying to impose Islamic laws on you. They go after Taliban because they can't stand Islamic laws being implemented on the Muslims? That does not make sense. Unless Taliban were in America trying to impose, then it makes sense to attack. You leave us alone, let us practice our faith, let us implement sharia in our lands. There will be no problems.

I'll let alone the subject of Taliban supporting Osama and whatever role they had in 9/11 events. I imagine this was the primary reason of the US to get there. Again, it is a different subject.
Let's get back to the "Islamic laws being implemented on the Muslims". Islamic laws according to whom? Muslims according to whom? Have those Muslims elected to be governed by the laws of Taliban? How about those who define themselves non-Muslim with respect to Taliban? How about those who define Muslim laws differently from Taliban? Let's not forget we are talking about subjective beliefs. Anyone's subjective beliefs are as valid as anyone else's by the virtue of being subjective beliefs.

[khoji]

Re: Afghan war is war on Islam: UK PM advisor

cricketp:

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Sadly, we don't have this much criticism to the REAL fasad (west&co). I wonder why?!
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Two wrongs don't make a right.

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And you are again mistaken, salafis (apart from the saudi family of hypocrites) all support the Mujahideen.
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How would you prove that ALL salafi wahhabis support fasadis? If it is only Saudi hypocrite kings then why is the whole country of Saudis silent for this hypocrisy?

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And every Muslim does not oppose Taliban! I don't! So am I not a Muslim no more!!???????
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If you support Taliban fasad against Muslims then you are a fasadi. Being Muslim is another question.

[cricketplaya]

Let's get back to the "Islamic laws being implemented on the Muslims". Islamic laws according to whom? Muslims according to whom?

Certainly not according you guys.

cricketp:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Wrong in your eyes. Right in the eyes of the people living there.

How would you prove that ALL salafi wahhabis support fasadis? If it is only Saudi hypocrite kings then why is the whole country of Saudis silent for this hypocrisy?

Silent for what? Your telling me the people in saudi arabia will speak out in favor of the mujahideen? hhaha, even the scholars are not safe in saudi when they speak the HAQ. what makes you think ordinary citizens will get away with it? the saudi kingdom is the most ruthless, selfish, corrupt government in that part of the world.

If you support Taliban fasad against Muslims then you are a fasadi. Being Muslim is another question.

LOL. Thanks. :)

[khoji]

Re: Afghan war is war on Islam: UK PM advisor

cricketp:

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Wrong in your eyes. Right in the eyes of the people living there.
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I said this because you were trying to justify Talibanic fasad by using examples of American fasad.

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the saudi kingdom is the most ruthless, selfish, corrupt government in that part of the world.
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I have never seen a "ruthless, selfish, corrupt government", which is not supported by people, but still not having a single demonstration of any kind against it.
How would you prove that salafi majority is against House of Saud?

[cricketplaya]

cricketp: I have never seen a "ruthless, selfish, corrupt government", which is not supported by people, but still not having a single demonstration of any kind against it. How would you prove that salafi majority is against House of Saud?

If it did allow demonstrations. Come on man, why are you so naive? You think the citizens bow down to the Saudi family? There's no demonstrations, doesn't mean they bow down to the kingdom.