Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Again would this news considered authenticated?
Even US didn't claimed that.
Anyway in this whole discussion you didn't reply a single thing I said all you have in with some sort of stupid unsubstantiated stories to malign Pakistan and ISI.
i do not need to malign pakistan nor i am capable of doing it, but you should accept what the impression and perception about I.S.I. is at international level and in pakistan media also.
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Again would this news considered authenticated?
Even US didn't claimed that.
Anyway in this whole discussion you didn't reply a single thing I said all you have in with some sort of stupid unsubstantiated stories to malign Pakistan and ISI.
i do not need to malign pakistan nor i am capable of doing it, but you should accept what the impression and perception about I.S.I. is at international level and in pakistan media also.
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I am not here to discuss perception, let's analyze the facts.
I never claimed ISI or Pakistan has nothing to do with Afghanistan, all I am saying do not take what US saying as Gospal truth.
Here everyone is playing it's own game, including India, Pakistan, Iran even Russia.
The reason of US frustration is this time Pakistan refused to play their game and decided to take care it's own interest.
When someone attack as far away in Kabul, but when Afghan groups attacking Pakistani border posts killing our border guards , even kidnapping children they refused to act.
Come on protecting Afghanistan primarily ESAF or Afghan security forces domain.
If they seal the border completely from their side what others could do?
In fact they refused Musharraf proposal to fence the border, why?
Either they are stupid and incompetent or deliberately want this situation continue.
Pakistan has lost more then 3000 troops including Generals as well legendary ISI officer Col Imam, do you really thing ISI supporting these groups to kill their owns?
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What a stupid thing to say, t*his house has been raided twice by ISI in last 5 years...* i wonder what kind of agency raids its own premises and then tell media about it...are you for real or RAW and Indian News Channel is your only source of Information???
so I.S.I. raided this house twice in last 5 years and was unable to find a man named osama bin laden who was living there from the last 5 years . you must have heard the osama bin laden was killed here by americans , neighbours testified that this family was living there from the last five years. now it is up to you what you believe go with that.
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Again u are factually wrong here there is no neighbor testified as no one know them.
so I.S.I. raided this house twice in last 5 years and was unable to find a man named osama bin laden who was living there from the last 5 years . you must have heard the osama bin laden was killed here by americans , neighbours testified that this family was living there from the last five years. now it is up to you what you believe go with that.
But even your current masters US (previously india used to sit in Russian laps happily), has not conclusively accused ISI for harboring him, had he was living there under protection of ISI there should certainly a security ring around the place but there was non.
US was watching the hose for months but they were unable detect any sort of official protection or (even if it was indeed a safe house then there would certainly regular visited by ISI officials but there were non).
US tried it's best yet could not find any evidence to implicate ISI on this (I agree it was embracing failure though).
Yet you are keeping perroting same non sense again an again.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
But even your current masters US (previously india used to sit in Russian laps happily), has not conclusively accused ISI for harboring him, had he was living there under protection of ISI there should certainly a security ring around the place but there was non.
There is ever dwindling bunch that claims 9/11 was a cia conspiracy. When that idiotic notion doesn't pan out the bunch goes to things like kasab was not Pakistani. When that doesn't gain traction they then latch on the OBL living in abbottabad next to the military camp is without knowledge of ISI.
Whenever these closet jihadis get caught in an arguement about one of the terrorist acts, their tactic is to just turn everyting upside down and blame the CIA, RAW, MOSSAF whatever comes to their minds.
It is a pity. Instead of such pathetic tactics to feel better, they should realize that is neither patriotism nor being true to religion - they are simply unwitting supporters of terrorism.
@TIPUSULTAN - reading the above thread and the way you cycle back to zaid hamid type of talking points that have all been nullified, it is quite pitiful.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
I am not here to discuss perception, let's analyze the facts.
I never claimed ISI or Pakistan has nothing to do with Afghanistan, all I am saying do not take what US saying as Gospal truth.
Here everyone is playing it's own game, including India, Pakistan, Iran even Russia.
The reason of US frustration is this time Pakistan refused to play their game and decided to take care it's own interest.
When someone attack as far away in Kabul, but when Afghan groups attacking Pakistani border posts killing our border guards , even kidnapping children they refused to act.
Come on protecting Afghanistan primarily ESAF or Afghan security forces domain.
If they seal the border completely from their side what others could do?
In fact they refused Musharraf proposal to fence the border, why?
Either they are stupid and incompetent or deliberately want this situation continue.
Pakistan has lost more then 3000 troops including Generals as well legendary ISI officer Col Imam, do you really thing ISI supporting these groups to kill their owns?
well done !:D
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Again u are factually wrong here there is no neighbor testified as no one know them.
But even your current masters US (previously india used to sit in Russian laps happily), has not conclusively accused ISI for harboring him, had he was living there under protection of ISI there should certainly a security ring around the place but there was non.
US was watching the hose for months but they were unable detect any sort of official protection or (even if it was indeed a safe house then there would certainly regular visited by ISI officials but there were non).
US tried it's best yet could not find any evidence to implicate ISI on this (I agree it was embracing failure though).
Yet you are keeping perroting same non sense again an again.
even I.S.I. shall be embraced by the fashion you are defending right left moving in full circle 360 degrees to prove your point . carry on crusader you can never be compelled because you do not know how to quit when you loose the arguement.:D
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
even I.S.I. shall be embraced by the fashion you are defending right left moving in full circle 360 degrees to prove your point . carry on crusader:D
Thanks at we can stop here. Good luck
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Very long ago, I found out that its pointless to argue with indians. First, they are always meddling in Pakistan's internal affairs and putting their nose where it doesn't belong. Second, the poor kids have been brainwashed by the poisonous indian media that mata hindustan is the greatest thing on earth under the sun and that everything about Pakistan and everyone in Pakistan is bad and that everytime even a hindu baby farts it is very likely the result of a high-profile ISI job.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Very long ago, I found out that its pointless to argue with indians. First, they are always meddling in Pakistan's internal affairs and putting their nose where it doesn't belong. Second, the poor kids have been brainwashed by the poisonous indian media that mata hindustan is the greatest thing on earth under the sun and that everything about Pakistan and everyone in Pakistan is bad and that everytime even a hindu baby farts it is very likely the result of a high-profile ISI job.
it is quite unfortunate you think so :(
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Very long ago, I found out that its pointless to argue with indians. First, they are always meddling in Pakistan's internal affairs and putting their nose where it doesn't belong. Second, the poor kids have been brainwashed by the poisonous indian media that mata hindustan is the greatest thing on earth under the sun and that everything about Pakistan and everyone in Pakistan is bad and that everytime even a hindu baby farts it is very likely the result of a high-profile ISI job.
really? are you maintaining isi was not involved in mumbai attack? or that ISI did not know it was sheltering OBL in abbotabad?
Indians 'meddle' because mumbai is in India.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
really? are you maintaining isi was not involved in mumbai attack? or that ISI did not know it was sheltering OBL in abbotabad? Indians 'meddle' because mumbai is in India.
There is no point to Start all over again, you have all right to believe ehatever you like.Good luck.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
There is no point to Start all over again, you have all right to believe ehatever you like.Good luck.
especially when there is so much evidence. Good luck to you too but I hope you will see the errors in your belief soon.