We have two scenarios:
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A stable Afghanistan which is firmly under the sphere of India.
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An unstable Afghanistan where the Southern and Eastern parts are over run by taliban.
Which of these scenarios is less detrimental to us?
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Hmm someone is a very interested in the afghan civil war? Bought some stocks of GE or klashnikov? 
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Afghanistan need manpower once US leaves. Best way for Pakistan to help neighboring country is to kick out all afghan refugees and India being best friend of afghans can give them $$ and guns to take back their country from Taleban/ISI/CIA/Xe Corp waghaira waghaira and what not.
ohh and we need anti personnel mines along the border with Afghanistan.
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I would find it difficult to believe that Afghanistan could be stabilized and run smoothly under the patronage of India. Indian interest in Afghanistan is not more than a desire to have an adverse impact on Pakistan and create a safe trade corridor to the central Asian states for Indian goods. India simply cannot avoid to replicate the mistake Pakistan committed in Afghanistan.
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Can we have a wall on afghan border like wall of china and mines of course.
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We have two scenarios:
1) A stable Afghanistan which is firmly under the sphere of India.
2) An unstable Afghanistan where the Southern and Eastern parts are over run by taliban.
Which of these scenarios is less detrimental to us?
You already opened a thread on it was finally viewed that Pakistan should not interfere in Afghanistan politics and let India fill in the blank. Pakistan is still suffering on account of mangling with Afghanistan's internal and external politics.
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I would find it difficult to believe that Afghanistan could be stabilized and run smoothly under the patronage of India. Indian interest in Afghanistan is not more than a desire to have an adverse impact on Pakistan and create a safe trade corridor to the central Asian states for Indian goods. India simply cannot avoid to replicate the mistake Pakistan committed in Afghanistan.
you are vastly underestimating india's interest in afghanistan. the place is pretty much begging to be built - its construction projects galore. and there is the whole service sector that is currently non-existant. india would love to get into both these fields. the telecom sector. northern afghanistan is loaded with mineral deposits. clothes. indian companies would love to get at least some of the big contracts on all of these.
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you are vastly underestimating india's interest in afghanistan. the place is pretty much begging to be built - its construction projects galore. and there is the whole service sector that is currently non-existant. india would love to get into both these fields. the telecom sector. northern afghanistan is loaded with mineral deposits. clothes. indian companies would love to get at least some of the big contracts on all of these.
Sure. However, lets not forget that political peace and the rule of law precede any economic development.
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Pakistan's policies regarding Afghanistan is formed keeping in view the two points that I mentioned above. There's a schizophrenic thoughts of India controlling Afghanistan. I believe even if Afghanistan is under the sphere of India is much better than the areas bordering Pakistan run by Taliban. The theory that Taliban will come to power in southern and Eastern Afghanistan and they will not help Pakistani Taliban if the country leaves them untouched. I believe this theory is flawed. If they Taliban have their own area of sphere in Afghanistan, why wouldn't they want a slice in Pakistan too?
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you are vastly underestimating india's interest in afghanistan. the place is pretty much begging to be built - its construction projects galore. and there is the whole service sector that is currently non-existant. india would love to get into both these fields. the telecom sector. northern afghanistan is loaded with mineral deposits. clothes. indian companies would love to get at least some of the big contracts on all of these.
I am underestimating neither the scope nor the attraction India may have in Afghanistan. I am rather evaluating business-readiness of the country. The potential is definitely there, but it may not be conducive for large-scale foreign investment, especially from a country which is despised by a faction which last ruled the country and became a headache for the US. The US and the Nato states have been there for over a decade and even they do not seem to be seeing Afghanistan as a business venue.
I do not see India taking over Afghanistan as its business mentor. We may also have to take into account how China will react to an oversize Indian presence in Afghanistan. And will Pakistan go for a known foe instead of an alienated friend?
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china is more concerned about the uygur-talib nexus, they have repeatedly refused to open the wakhan corridor for trade despite being asked on numerous occasions by the afghans. they definitely dont want a taliban afghanistan given xinjiang today. additionally, china is sitting on just as many, if not more, multibillion dollar contract awards as india in mining afghanistan. its a big pie, big enough to go around.
anyway, my original point was that india has genuine tangible assets to lose to an unstable afghanistan, not just the "desire to have an adverse impact on pakistan" as you say. nato and US couldnt make any money because its a bottom of the rung 3rd world market - countries like china and india can make money there, we are the slumlord productline specialists. sure, its an unstable country. but today its just a matter of keeping the taliban restricted to the unproductive regions.
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How Pakistan moves against Taliban could complicate Afghan ties
By Frederic Grare, Special to CNN
Pakistan’s military is set to launch a major military operation in North Waziristan, AP reported this week, after weeks of hesitation over its strategy of negotiating with Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). Yet although the expected operation follows the killing of 23 Pakistani soldiers last month by a Taliban faction, it seems likely to have been motivated by something more than a desire to retaliate and coerce the TTP into talks.
Whatever the motivation, it will have a significant impact on the country’s relationship with its weaker neighbor: Afghanistan.
In early 2012, Pakistan’s Foreign Office publicly declared a “strategic shift” in its thinking on Afghanistan, and began promoting its own version of an inclusive reconciliation process, as well as actively reaching out to elements of the Northern Alliance. Islamabad adopted this new policy after concluding that its strategy of supporting the Taliban alone was unlikely to produce a “friendly” Afghanistan (in other words, one under close Pakistani influence) because the Taliban is, for now at least, simply not capable of taking the reins of power on its own.
More broadly, the shift seems to reflect a perception in Pakistan that the Taliban are no longer a reliable proxy, although Islamabad appears to still believe that the Afghan Taliban would be able to secure Pakistani interests in Kabul. Now, Pakistan appears to be trying to broker a power-sharing agreement in which its proxies would dominate the east and the south of Afghanistan in exchange for their non-interference in the areas dominated by other ethnic groups. A national unity government that emerged from such an agreement would not be strong enough to prevent Pakistani maneuvering in Afghanistan.
According to Pakistani officials and analysts alike, the main rationale for the shift is domestic security concerns, including significant worries over the TTP. **Since the TTP operates from the FATA and Afghanistan, Islamabad worries that the movement may collude with the Afghan Taliban.
But this introduces a major contradiction in Pakistan’s Afghanistan policy as it will only exacerbate the very threats it is trying to eliminate. After all, if the Afghan Taliban is frustrated in its aspirations to gain power in Kabul, as it might well be under the Pakistani proposal for inclusive negotiations, it could join hands with its Pakistani counterparts to seek a limited version of “Pashtunistan,” based on an ideological version of Pashtun nationalism. The fact is that even a limited operational alliance between the Afghan and Pakistani Talibans would create a serious headache for Islamabad, and could even increase the risk of conflict between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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To complicate matters further, Pakistan cannot expect to quash the TTP without Afghan cooperation. Faced with Pakistani pressure, the TTP will inevitably seek refuge in Afghanistan, and recent Pakistani actions cannot on their own seal the border between the two countries.
Afghanistan, of course, has no incentive to help Pakistan without a credible guarantee of non-interference from Islamabad, and the dynamic between these two countries also has implications for the United States, reducing its freedom to maneuver diplomatically. Having asked Pakistan to intervene in North Waziristan to eliminate al Qaeda and its proxies for years, the U.S. can only approve of the operation. Yet helping Pakistan get its way without obtaining any of the non-interference guarantees that the Afghans legitimately desire would diminish the potential for Afghan-Pakistani cooperation. This in turn would heighten the risk that terrorist sanctuaries could re-emerge, undermining more than a decade of counter-terrorism efforts.
Ultimately, the reality is that coalition forces along the border have been unable to stop Taliban infiltration, meaning it is highly improbable that Afghan forces will perform any better on their own. More likely, the security situation will deteriorate on both sides of the border. And given Pakistan’s current policy toward Afghanistan – and despite any official rhetoric to the contrary – the country is likely to view continuing low intensity conflict in Afghanistan as a necessary step.
Pakistan might suggest any new offensive is simply a response to recent events. But whatever the trigger, it is clear that there will be significant strategic ramifications.
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On whose side was Afghanistan, when Pakistan and india were fighting wars? If Afghanistan was neutral then now it is Pakistan own mistake that Afghanistan has become a strategic partner of India. What was pakistan thinking when it created the Taliban and unleashed them on the innocent people of Afghanistan, maybe a 5th province. If Afghans never accepted the slavery of Brits and Russian, why would they accept Pakistan's. Don't forget that when Hindus were killing Muslims in India it was these Afghans (Suri, Ghaznavi, Abdali) who saved the Muslims of sub-continent and what did Pakistan do in return created a philosophy of strategic depth to control an independent minded people.
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Afghanistan was far from neutral. May I remind you that it was daud khan not pakistan that tried to revive pashtunistan in the sixties (got fired by zahir shah) and then moved troops in the seventies as well as incursions in bajaur by the afghan army. In fact, PAF could not be fully deployed with its nascent strength in kashmir because there were disturbances by the afghan border in 1947-8.
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On whose side was Afghanistan, when Pakistan and india were fighting wars? If Afghanistan was neutral then now it is Pakistan own mistake that Afghanistan has become a strategic partner of India. What was pakistan thinking when it created the Taliban and unleashed them on the innocent people of Afghanistan, maybe a 5th province. If Afghans never accepted the slavery of Brits and Russian, why would they accept Pakistan's. Don't forget that when Hindus were killing Muslims in India it was these Afghans (Suri, Ghaznavi, Abdali) who saved the Muslims of sub-continent and what did Pakistan do in return created a philosophy of strategic depth to control an independent minded people.
I dont thing the Hindu's were killing Muslims, in fact Ghaznavi and Ghauri were invaders who attacked and looted the sub continent.
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I dont thing the Hindu's were killing Muslims, in fact Ghaznavi and Ghauri were invaders who attacked and looted the sub continent.
such blasphemy against saviors of Muslim Umma. tsk tsk.
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I dont thing the Hindu's were killing Muslims, in fact Ghaznavi and Ghauri were invaders who attacked and looted the sub continent.
So if Hindus's were not killing you, then why did a person called Jinnah (gadar-e-hind) created pakitan. You look the same as a hindu no difference in colour etc. As I pakhtoon you call my hero's looters, but at the same time government of pkaistan calls its rockets after them. If you are so proud of Jinnah call your rockets Jinnah. Maybe that Punjab has never produced a hero that is way it is looking towards pakhtoons for their support against India. Pakistan has lost every war against the hindus and we pakhtoon should not be part of any wars between India and Pakistan(punjab). we will let you deal with each other.
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So if Hindus's were not killing you, then why did a person called Jinnah (gadar-e-hind) created pakitan. You look the same as a hindu no difference in colour etc. As I pakhtoon you call my hero's looters, but at the same time government of pkaistan calls its rockets after them. If you are so proud of Jinnah call your rockets Jinnah. Maybe that Punjab has never produced a hero that is way it is looking towards pakhtoons for their support against India. Pakistan has lost every war against the hindus and we pakhtoon should not be part of any wars between India and Pakistan(punjab). we will let you deal with each other.
Ghaznavi and Ghauri were invaders (even to Pashtuns as well), no need to glorify looters. Go read up some history kid.