Additions to the Kalma Tayyaba

If its already been discussed a few times, I apologize in advance for asking again , but I need to clarify something and sharing my concern here.

If any of the muslim sects, decide to make changes to the basic kalma.. by adding additional words at the end ( names of individuals like eg , Hazrat Ali or Fatima or any other sacred names ) … is that a matter of concern or not?
Friends and I were discussing this and one of them said, Kalma Tayyaba is not an ayah of the Quran , hence by adding hazrat Ali or Bibi Fatima’s name , they aren’t really doing anything wrong.
My question is , Kalma holds a very important place in our lives and its not to be changed. I am not sure how it was derived or any hadeeth that could tell us the importance of the exact kalma and what happens when people make additions to it and the impact of those additions on the wider communities. Please can someone share the source of info with me?

I will appreciate your advise.

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Kalima means set of words. Tayyab means pure or clean. Any sentence that is haq or truthful could be reffered to as Kalima e Tayyaba. I know that in subcontinent "La Ilaha Il Allah, Muhammad ur Rasool Allah" is reffered to as Kalima e Tayyaba.

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Thanks Pagluu , i need a bit more detailed information around the Kalma as I stated in my original post..

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I think the Kalima Tayba was one of the core creeds of the faith you are not allowed to alter that in any way whatsoever...

If you want to add zkir to accompany it thats different but changing the articles of faith is like a declaration of apostasy.

Thats just my humble opinion though and since I am a mere layman I could be wrong.

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Faris , that is the reason I am waiting for more knowledgeable brothers and sisters here to come and give give us a proper source in order for us to be able to communicate effectively should similar conversation come in our social circle .

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Well in that case we may have to wait some time… I know an Alim brother on GS but he must be at work right now… puts me to shame… :no:

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It is true that Kalima is not an Aya, but it is base of unity for muslims,

every muslim, doesn't matter what ethnic back-ground he is from, recite the same line, the same words, making the brother-hood bond stronger...

It is like national Anthem of any country.... if in some part, people modify the national anthem, they it may be something but not be the national anthem of the country any more...

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^ Nice way of expressing it.

Yeah theres a special sense of brotherhood in Islam between Muslims no matter where they are from. :champ:

I only hope the brotherhood gets stronger. Ameen

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there is lot of misconception abt the kalima.. we have to understand that the basic kalima for muslims is not LA' ILA HA ILL'LLAH HO MUHAMMAD DU RA'SU LU'LAH, there is no single QURAN or authentic HADIS in which it is mentioned..these are basically two different ayat mention in various places in QURAN..
According to QURAN n HADIS our kalima is SHAHA'DA .. which is normally called 2nd kalima and we should remember and believe in it.. so in light of this if you add abubakar khalifullah or khalid saifullah at the end of i.e LA'ILA HA ILL'LLA HO MUHAMUMMAD'URA SU'LU'LLAH KHALID SAIF ULLAH or something like this.. we should no concern about it..

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From what I know: Requirement of Islam is not any ‘Kalma’ but it is belief that Allah is one and Muhammad (SAW) is Rasul Allah. Requirement of that belief we utter by witnessing in our Salaat when we recite Kalma-e-Shahadah, in front of Allah.

As for Kalma-e-Tayaba (LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH), it is shortest form of phrase a Muslim recites that fulfils minimum belief requirement of Islam to show that person is Muslim.

Minimum belief requirement is door to Islam: If a person confesses that he believes on ‘LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH’, saying it in whatever way, then that person should be considered Muslim in all respect, without any question. After that confession, if anyone calls that person non-Muslim than it would be Takfir, and that means, since that confession makes that person Muslim, the caller himself becomes Kafir.

[Note: Though Kalma-e-Tayaba fulfils minimum confession requirement of a Muslim, proper way of confessing that one believes on ‘LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH’ is Kalma-e-Shahadah].

Anyhow, if one adds something, for instance:

LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH YESA- RUH-ALLAH
LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH MUSA- KALEEM-ALLAH
LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH IBRAHIM- KHALEEL-ALLAH

Or one even varies the Kalma, for instance say:

LA ILAHA ILLALLAH YESA- RUH-ALLAH
LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUSA- KALEEM-ALLAH
LA ILAHA ILLALLAH IBRAHIM- KHALEEL-ALLAH

Then even though 'additional part in Kalma (above 3)' fulfils more than minimum requirement to be Muslim and Kalma without mention of Muhammad (SAW) Prophet-hood (bottom 3) does not fulfil minimum requirement to be Muslim, all above Kalmas are true for Muslims, that every Muslim should believe, and there is no harm in saying them as Kalma.

Similarly, for those who believe that Ali (RA) was Wali-Allah (that all Muslim believe except Munafiqs and Kharjees) then for them there is no harm in saying or adding that to Kalma, still, that addition in Kalma would not be considered as minimum belief requirement to show that a Person is Muslim, as minimum belief requirement would always going to be ‘LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH’.

[On judgment day a person would have to justify to Allah his every action and beliefs in this world, including reasons why he was Muslim, why he did what he did, and why he believed what he believed. Thus, it is obviously that in case of such addition, people who added would be answerable to Allah on judgment day justifying why they believed Ali (RA) was Wali-Allah, something I am sure most Muslims could justify easily if they have knowledge]

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ive never heard a muslim add to the shahada.

but just to add to what others have said regarding its permissibility, the word wali has different meanings. ahulsunnah of RasoolAllah attain their intepretation from the quran, a sect associates it with wilayah which is an alien concept to ahulsunnah and the sahaba

so what we hear the saying as 'ali is (awliya) ' its deemed acceptable but what is potentially being said has no islamic foundation and is actually anti islamic, certainly a declaration of secthood and possibly shirk. also it is an innovation as an article of faith

note: the kharijis made takfir on Ali RA when he made truce with muawiya RA, i know of a group who may even today do the same in the situation!

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talk abt being alien then the whole group calling itself Ahlul Sunnat wal Jammat is alien concept to the sahabas as no such group existed back in their time...........
btw what meaning of the word wali/mawla is acceptable to your type of Ahlul Sunnat wal Jammat?

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so what we hear the saying as 'ali is (awliya) ' its deemed acceptable but what is potentially being said has no islamic foundation and is actually anti islamic, certainly a declaration of secthood and possibly shirk. also it is an innovation as an article of faith
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إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ {55}

"ONLY Allah is your WALI, and His Messenger and those among believers who keep alive prayer AND pay Zakat while they are in the state of bowing." (Quran 5:55)

Some of the Sunni muffasireen that say that this verse is in honor of Ali Ibn Abi Talib AS are as follows........

(1) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Tha'labi, under Verse 5:55
(2) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, pp 186,288-289
(3) Tafsir Jamiul Hukam al-Quran, by Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Qurtubi, v6, p219
(4) Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68
(5) Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Suyuti, v2, pp 293-294
(6) Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, Egypt 1373, v1, pp 505,649
(7) Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, Egypt 1382, v1, p73 on the
authority of Ibn Abbas
(8) Asbab al-Nuzool, by al-Wahidi
(9) Sharh al-Tjrid, by Allama Qushji
(10) Ahkam al-Quran, al-Jassas, v2, pp 542-543
(11) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p38
(12) Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, p391
(13) al-Awsat, by Tabarani, narrated from Ammar Yasir
(14) Ibn Mardawayh, on the authority of Ibn Abbas

let me know if u wish to see the list of sunni books with specific narration related to this verse.....I am happy to provide u scans of Sunni books too Insha Allah and much more if u wish to see.........

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note: the kharijis made takfir on Ali RA when he made truce with muawiya RA, i know of a group who may even today do the same in the situation!
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Imam Ali AS never made any truce with that cursed, mongeral king of urs..........u r either lying or misinformed as usual.........

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if you want to add to the subject answer op's questions

although i would love to ask you more questions on this, the thread will get locked. i wanna see more genuine opinions about adding to the kalma

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if u were so sincere in sticking to the topic then u wud have answered the OP in as civilized manner as other sensible ppl (Sunnis and Shias) answered b4 u...........

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although i would love to ask you more questions on this, the thread will get locked. i wanna see more genuine opinions about adding to the kalma
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the thread gets locked when production of Muawiya start flaunting their filth by copy-pasting from nasibi propaganda websites.......and even when any given thread runs, u have earned urself quite a reputation now for doing a runner .........

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‘LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH is not a minimum requirement untill or unless you wont say " i testify that there is no God but ALLAH and i testify tht PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAWW is the last PROPHET of ALLAH", just believe in LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH doesnt full fill the minimum conditions of "testify" which is obligatory to be a muslim..
as far as the adding word is concern at the end of LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH, as i mention these are just 2 diffent ayats of QURAN and our beloved PROPHET never said that only believes in these ayat are enough to be a muslim.. if said then prove it from authentic HADIS.

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I think either you did not read my post correctly or read it but did not understood correctly. So, let me clarify further (even though you could find same from my earlier post too)

Kalma-e-Tayaba ‘LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH’ (there is no ‘Allah’ but/except ‘The ‘Allah’ and Muhammad is ‘Rasul’ of Allah) is minimum belief requirement of Islam but it is not called ‘Shahadah’. This Kalma is statement but not oath. It is statement for confirmation to ourselves that what we believe (when we recite to ourselves) ... something what we can also declare loudly for others to know what we believe too.

 As for ‘Kalma-e-Shahadah’, it is to do with giving witness (making Allah witness) to that minimum requirement of beliefs, that is ‘ASHADU AN LA ILAHA ILLALLAH WA ASHADU AN-NA MUHAMMADAN ABDU-HU WA RASOOL-ALLAH’ *. This Kalma is not just a statement but it is an oath. It is door to Islam where we bear witness in front of Allah regarding minimum beliefs of Islam (Kalma-e-Tayaba).

When a non-Muslim becomes Muslim they take this oath (Kalma-e-Shahadah) in front of Allah (other Muslims if present could become witness to this oath). Further, all Muslims regularly take this oath in front of Allah when we do our Salat (pray Namaz). Other thing to remember is that oath is always taken in front of superior body. So, when reciting Kalma-e-Shahadah one should remember that it is an oath that one only takes in front of Allah and no one else. If others are present and one reads Shahadah loudly, they could only become witness to this oath.

So, one should not mix one with another. One is ‘statement’ and other is ‘oath’.*

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As for determining if a person is Muslim or not, confession that the person claims he/she is Muslim, is enough. There is no further requirement.

A Muslim has nothing to do with beliefs of other Muslim, though expect that other person claiming to be Muslim believes on minimum belief requirement of Islam, and that is Kalma-e-Tayaba. If other person who claims to be Muslim do not know of this belief requirement (very unlikely but may happen due to ignorance), a Muslim has duty to let him know about this minimum requirement.

Obviously, when we determine personal relationships (not dealings as Muslim but relationships) with other person, we go beyond other person’s confessions, or even beyond knowing that other person believes on ‘LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD- AR RASOOL-ALLAH’.

In such case, one can find out other person’s beliefs (regarding other subjects beyond minimum beliefs) if one wants to, but, that is nothing to do with judging other person being Muslim or not, rather it is to determine the differences.

Once we find out the differences (if any), we can learn from that differences, may argue with each other amicably, correct ourselves or correct others using arguments, accept that such differences is undetermined (one is right where one stands, but leaving final judgment on differences to Allah), or avoid if we believe that difference is wrong or unacceptable (to us). That is all.

Why there are differences between sects: There are many reasons for differences, some is as under:

One: Differences in interpretations of Quran.

Two: Differences in hadith, hadith collections, and believes on those hadiths
[Here I should clarify and all should know that all Muslims believe on hadith (saying) if they are certain that it is from Prophet (SAW). Belief on Quran itself is proof of believing on hadith, as Muslims who believe that Quran is words of Allah, they believe it because Prophet (SAW) told us [in other words, because they believe on hadith of prophet (SAW)]. So the difference is not in believing on hadith of Prophet (SAW), but believing that a particular hadith is hadith from Prophet (SAW) or concocted.

Three: Differences in historical writings and beliefs on that writings.

Four: Differences in personal attachments, love and hate towards past personalities.

Five: Differences in understanding subjects, context of subjects, and contents of subjects related to Islam.

Six: Differences in importance given to different aspects of Islam.

Seven: Differences in certain peripheral beliefs of Islam.

etc ...

Anyhow, Shaitan uses that differences to create discord and misconception ... that multiplies due to lack (or ignorance) of Islamic knowledge and ignorance of people not willing to discuss, think or understand amicably and diligently. This creates army of ignorant (agents of Shaitan) who play role of spreading ignorance full of lies and creating fitna in the name of Islam and differences.

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The ‘Kalma Tayyaba’ is based on two important beliefs (1) Touheed (2)** Risalat. Meaning of touheed is “make one” or "unique" and its originaly taken from “wahdat” Although in belief terms we take it meaning as “La Ilaha Illallah”** and its appeared 12 time in Qur’an. "La Ilaha Illa Ho" appeared 30 times in Qur’an and La Ilaha Illa Ana appeared 3 times. Moreover, “Ilahakum Ilaho Wahid” appeared 6 times.

The word ‘Touheed’ is not used in Qur’an perhaps "wahid" and "Uhad" are used many times. "Ilaha" repeated 125 times in Qur’an. Touheed (La Ilaha Illalah) means to testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah.

Meaning of the Risalat is “sending message” Risala mean Message and rasool mean Messenger (qasid). By testifying that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger, non-believer enter (embrace) in the circule of Islam.

So here ‘Touheed’ is Almighty Allah SWT’s Message which delievered to us by Prophets :AS: and believing of Prophets :AS: message’s is like believing on the “Risalat” (Message) of Allah SWT! so Kalma Tayyaba or Shahadat is the basic belief. To understand more plz read hadiths below:

According to the various Hadiths in Sahih Bukhari:

**Book Belief ****Hadit No. 7 **

[INDENT]**Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah’s Apostle said: Islam is based on (the following) five (principles): 1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle. 2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly. 3. To pay Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity) . 4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca) 5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan. **
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**Book Friday Prayerv **Hadith No. 37

[INDENT]**Narrated Abu Umama bin Sahl bin Hunaif: I heard Muawiya bin Abi Sufyan (repeating the statements of the Adhan) while he was sitting on the pulpit. When the Muadh-dhin pronounced the Adhan saying, “Allahu-Akbar, Allahu Akbar”, Muawiya said: “Allah Akbar, Allahu Akbar.” And when the Muadh-dhin said, “Ash-hadu an la ilaha illal-lah (I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah)”, Muawiya said, “And (so do) I”. When he said, “Ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Rasulullah” (I testify that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle), Muawiya said, “And (so do) I”. When the Adhan was finished, Muawiya said, “O people, when the Muadh-dhin pronounced the Adhan I heard Allah’s Apostle on this very pulpit saying what you have just heard me saying”. **
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**Book Actions while praying Hadit No. **294

[INDENT]**Narrated 'Abdullah bin Masud: We used to say the greeting, name and greet each other in the prayer. Allah’s Apostle heard it and said:–"Say, 'At-tahiyyatu lil-lahi was-salawatu wat-taiyibatu . Assalamu 'Alaika aiyuha-n-Nabiyu wa-rahmatu-l-lahi wa-barakatuhu. _ Assalamu alaina wa-'ala 'ibadi-l-lahi as-salihin.. Ashhadu an la ilaha illa-l-lah wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan 'abdu hu wa Rasuluh. (All the compliments are for Allah and all the prayers and all the good things (are for Allah). Peace be on you, O Prophet, and Allah’s mercy and blessings (are on you). And peace be on us and on the good (pious) worshipers of Allah. I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and Apostle.) So, when you have said this, then you have surely sent the greetings to every good (pious) worship per of Allah, whether he be in the Heaven or on the Earth . " **
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**Book Prophets **644

[INDENT]**Narrated 'Ubada: The Prophet said, “If anyone testifies that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His Slave and His Apostle, and that Jesus is Allah’s Slave and His Apostle and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true, and Hell is true, Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he had done even if those deeds were few.” (Junada, the sub-narrator said, " 'Ubada added, 'Such a person can enter Paradise through any of its eight gates he likes.") **
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**Book Prophetic Commentary on the Qur’an (Tafseer of the Prophet :saw2: ) **Hadit No. 221

[INDENT]**Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: Allah’s Apostle said, "When a Muslim is questioned in his grave, he will testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and that is what is meant by Allah’s Statement:-- “Allah will keep firm those who believe with a Word that stands firm in this world and in the Hereafter.” (14.27) **
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Surah Ibrahim verses 27

“Allah keeps firm those who believe, with the firm word, in worldly life and in the Hereafter. And Allah sends astray the wrongdoers. And Allah does what He wills.”

rest Allah SWT! know best.

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The words in Kalima Tayaaba are the ones, on which having blind faith is necessary or you are no longer Muslim. I am not sure what addition CB is talking about but just because that addition is truth does not make it a requirement of a Muslim's faith. No disrespect intended but I can add (in arabic) that night comes after every day, and it would be absolute truth, but does that mean that I can make it part of kalima Tayyaba?