Re: Accepting homosexuals
When did looking down on a group of "people" enfringe on their human rights?
I hate homos so that prolly means im a terrorist, so ima blow up ur house you lousy christian, where do u live?
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ok people this a serious real-life issue.help.
a friend of mine got married to a homosexual, who because of the society pressure and religious stuff preffered to go by his parents wish to marry a girl and choose not to disclose his true "preferences". now the situation is that they have a child, he still sees his "male friends" and their is no chance of him being a proper husband.and her life is miserable.
my question, is a marriage to a homo, really a legal marriage in islam?is this girl entitled to get divorce on this issue.can she disclose him.coz he tells her that she can`t prove it coz they have a child.she is on the verge of nervous-break down.
whose fault is it????
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It's his fault, the girl is entitled to divorce whenever she wants, she should tell her parents and brothers if he tries to stop her or tries to deny it.
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God sends you on this earth for one purpose alone…And that is to worship Him and that is a fundamental belief of all Muslims…Worship of Him also includes service to humanity and humans…
However, if a Muslim spends his entire life in the service of humanity and ignores the worship part, it is as if his entire life were wasted…For not worshipping God is equal to not believing in Him…And since reality is that life on earth is passive, meaning it will fade away as soon as we are dead, and that the real life, which will be for an eternity is more important, an ignorant, poor, illiterate and smelly Muslim is far more dear to Allah :swt: than the fanciest, richest, best dressed, suave and sleek philanthropist…
Compared to someone who collects firewood for a living but is a worshipper, Angelina Jolie despite her being decent, loving, tolerant and informative human being will remain insignificant in the eyes of God…
And as a Muslim, that is my belief as is written in the Quran, that God will not see our appearances or actions…The only currency that is acceptable in the realm of God is piety…And if you happen to be the worlds greatest and finest example of someone who serves humanity and yet remain ignorant of woshipping and believing in God and His commands, you are no better than someone who doesn’t believe in Him at all…
Which means, in the realm of God, you will be a very poor person…While the poor, smelly, ill clothed, ignorant and smelly worshipper that you turned your nose against will be a very rich man…
So you can either emulate Angelina Jolie as a Muslim or you can emulate the ignorant worshipper…Fact is, you will die emulating whom you loved to be like…
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Here’s the equation to help solve this riddle (This applies to Muslims only):
Does Allah :swt: accept homosexuality? No…
So, being a Muslim, do you have the right to accept something which your Creator has despised and forbidden? Are you better than your Creator? Do you possess more knowledge than the God who made you? Are you more nobler and loftier in spirit than God because you accept homosexuality and your God doesn’t?
If you are a Muslim, and you answered yes to any of the questions above, then you are on a head on collision with the Commands of God…And those who oppose and contradict the Commands of God are called Kuffar…
The word Kuffar means someone who covers up something…So, by accepting homosexuality and homosexuals as OK you are covering the truth…And as such, you would have to resort to re evaluating your beliefs as a Muslim…
P.S. This was not directly addressed to you but any Muslim in particular…
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So you can either emulate Angelina Jolie as a Muslim or you can emulate the ignorant worshipper...Fact is, you will die emulating whom you loved to be like...
nice post.....did you mean stinky by saying smelly.I think a muslim should'nt be smelly or stinky........
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True…
But I have prayed next to labourers and workmen and their overwhelming smell of honest sweat which I shy away from is more dear to Allah :swt: than the finest smelling musk money can buy…
Mod-Muslims do not know that…For them, tolerance is accepting homosexuality but not the smell of a labourer who comes to the Masjid to pray his 4 Rakahs…And you’ll hear them moan about it in these forums…
So, I was being a little fascetious about the smelly part…And I know, if one can avoid it, one should avoid smelling bad…But if you can’t help it, heck…No probs…
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jazaak Allah…its clear now i was quite confused about that …now i’m satisfied. Alhamdulilah
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Really?
You fit the bill just as well. There is a difference between being intolerant of other's belief, and simply not internalizing them or giving them credence.
The old spiel about not tolerating intolerance doesn't cut it...
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Her sins are not what define her good works...or is she doing charity as a consequence of her stealing other people's husbands.....?
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...whose fault is it????
Social pressures be damned, it's the dishonest parties fault.
Is there any way it could be a mutual split?
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Right on Picoico, the dishonest parties in this situation are the parents not the son...they force him to marry, im sure he just went along to make them happy.
The parents were totally selfish, they not only destroyed the poor girl's life but also will ruin their grand kids life.
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less opportunity to become a hateful religious puritan if following Angelina, many could use more of her enligtenment!!!
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Seminole , YOU ARE A GOOD HUMAN BEING, YOU HAVE MORE QUALITIES OF GOD IN YOU THAN MANY WHO STUDY FROM QURAN, HADITHS AND SUNNAH. THANK YOU FOR BEING MODERN , CIVILIZED AND COMAPSSIONATE HUMAN AND NOT A HISTORICAL ARTIFACT GUIDED BY RELIGOUS ZEALOUSNESS AND ITS PROPENSITY TO DISPENSE HATRED ON A MISGUIDED PATH OF DOING GOD'S DEEDS.
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In Islam the gays are not considered "incorruptible" because their being gay itself shows that they are corrupted, they also don't fit the definition of "modest" as well as "pure" and "righteous" so out goes the "morality" of the gays you met :)
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The old spiel about not tolerating intolerance doesn't cut it...
Sorry, but it does. You can't expect people to smile at you and say good morning to you when you growl and give them dirty looks every morning. You can't expect a person to respect you if you urinate on their shoes. You can't expect someone to love you if you are married to someone else. And you can't expect someone to be tolerant of your beliefs if you are not tolerant of theirs.
Many people, including those who truly follow the Jesus Christ of the Bible, would define "moral" by their tolerance, love and forgiveness of others. So I stand by my statement that I have met many homosexuals who could be considered more moral than many fundamentalists who claim moral superiority.
In the West (where there are many more homosexuals than Muslims) when a fundamentalist tells others they hate them, are insignificant in the eyes of God, nasty, should be avoided, immoral or should be stoned to death, please don't be surprised or compain if you are not trusted, not given a job or given dirty looks for your beliefs or way of life which can also be judged based on closed-minded, self righteous beliefs. Just because you derive your intolerance from your interpretation of ancient texts doesn't make them more valid than the other guy's belief system. His set of beliefs can be just as deeply held as yours.
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Just as the definition of 'morality' is subjective, so are the attributes that define morality. I trust that if you are in favor of throwing someone off a cliff or toppling a wall on him that you indeed think he is corrupted and not righteous. In someone else's opinion there are many attributes in that list that a fundamentalist Muslim does not posess.
If I ever met a gay that said 1/2 the things about Muslims or any other group as are said about gays here, I would totally lose respect for him and not include him in my list of moral people I have met.
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I've said it once in a similar thread and I will re-itterate it again. Anyone among Jews/Christians/Muslims who thinks homosexuality is not a sin is a traitor to his/her religion.
Not only a traitor but ignorant of his/her own book. Shame
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uberalles, it seems that you have a preconception that anyone who studies from Quran, Ahadith, and Sunnah will be lacking these virtues. This is not correct. Your thinking is biased.
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The parents had no idea...the onus is on the guy for doing the right thing. And if that means standing up to Umma and Abba, then so be it. Sure as hell better then ruining some other's life...and that's exactly what he did.