ACB Charge Gilchrist

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/020527/203/czrwi.html

The Australian Cricket Board have charged Adam Gilchrist over his comments on the controversial bowling action of Sri Lankan spinner Muttiah Muralitharan.

The Australia vice-captain described Murali’s bowling as “not within the laws of the game” which he said confirmed his belief that the spinner “does throw”.

The ACB have charged Gilchrist, who had been speaking at a pre-match lunch for an Australian Rules football game at the weekend, of making “public comment detrimental to the interests of cricket”.

ACB chief executive officer James Sutherland, who insisted that Gilchrist’s views do not represent those of the board, revealed that the charge was levelled after the wicketkeeper failed to provide a suitable explanation.

In an ACB statement released today, Sutherland said: "After reading the statements attributed to Adam, I rang him and asked him to provide me with more details about the accuracy of the comments and how they came to be in the public domain.

“After considering Adam’s explanation, I have issued a charge under the ACB code of behaviour. An ACB Commissioner will determine whether Adam’s comments are in breach of the code.”


There is no end to this controversy.

Well to be honest, I had doubts here as well. He has some very unorthodox bowling.
Sometimes it looks like a he "throws".


WatCh youR tHoughtS; they become words.
WatCh youR wOrdS; they become actions.
WatCh youR aCtiOns; they become habits.
WatCh youR hAbiTs; they become character.
WatCh youR chaRactEr; it becomes your dEsTinY."

Who cares, lets get along with it.
Gilchrist is just healous because his perfect aussie team doesn't have a world class spinner like Murali, but I don't think he should have been penalised for doubting Murali's action.


http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/dixsi.gif

PS - Shane Warne is the best spinner of All time and Yes he doesn’t chuck.


AK

Please Asif don't bring your hate mongering jealousy in this forum just because India hasn't been able to produce a spinner who can take wickets outisde India ever. as far as I am concerned, Muralitharan is concerned the greatest spinner and greatest overall bowler of all time.
Shane Warne doesn't come any close to being better than Murali, he is only considered the best by those old whiteys in ICC.


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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**Please Asif don't bring your hate mongering jealousy in this forum just because India hasn't been able to produce a spinner who can take wickets outisde India ever. as far as I am concerned, Muralitharan is concerned the greatest spinner and greatest overall bowler of all time.
Shane Warne doesn't come any close to being better than Murali, he is only considered the best by those old whiteys in ICC.

**
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Please dont support a Chucker just because there is a chucker in your own team.

These Players should try their hands on Javeline throw, they have a better chance at Olympics.

Lets see - Michael Holding, bobby Simpson, Ranjan Madugale,Darell Hair, Steve bucknor, Bishan Singh Bedi are all whiteys right ??

And yeah India didn't produce a single world class spinner ever - That explains your Cricketing knowledge (Once again).


AK

Asif, once again, I will not call any names but please remind of a spinner from India who has actually won matches for its team outside India like Murali has for SL.
Murali took 10 wickets in Oval in their last tour of England where any Indian player has even dreamed of taking 10 wickets in a match. Forget spinners, even poor Kapil didn't accomplish that dream.
Just like rest of the team Kumble and Harbajhan are you know heroes home, zeroes abroad.

Now lets get back to the subject shall we, Shoaib and Murali have both been cleared by the ICC of their actions then who in the world are you to say they are chuckers, they are chuckers no more, they have been proven legals.
Controverseries always make great bowlers.

Now now, no need to cry, after Pakistan and SL get overpopulated with great 1st class bowlers, we sure will sell you couple.

I think Murali's performance at Sharjah in October 2000 was a little too disturbing to watch for you, I understand.

Peace Out!


Bhagwat Chandrashekhar - Year 1978 In Australia 12 Wickets in the test metch
Bhagwat Chandrashekhar - Year 1971 In OVAL, England AT OVAL 8 wickets 6 in the second innings

Show me the latest where ICC says it has cleared Shoaib. If ICC has cleared Murali then why is it not punishing Gilchrist.

No need, keep your bowlers with you and try to win a series at home with them in the team.

Well, not enough to stone Sachin’s home.


AK

There you go my Indian friend.
Shoaib Akhtar’s action cleared http://www-usa4.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/APR/ 106985_CI_24APR2001.html

Council clarifies Muralitharan case http://www-usa2.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/1999/JAN /ICC_MURALI_16JAN1999.html

If that doesn’t change your mind then you are just simply jealous.

Good for Chandreskar and I was wrong, but don’t expect any of your heroes home and zeroes abroad bowlers to accomplish that anytime soon.

It is not something that Gilchrists should be punished for, if that was the deal than Gavaskar should have been executed for criticizing English team.

We are doing our best to win a series home and it almost came true but we are not going to cry about it.

Well it surely lit alot if Bharti dhotis on fire.

All of them accused Murali’s action, none of them stated that Warne is better than Murali.


[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited May 28, 2002).]

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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
*Asif, once again, I will not call any names but please remind of a spinner from India who has actually won matches for its team outside India like Murali has for SL.
*

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What Ignorance?
I will show you many data where Indian spinner had taken 8+ wicket abroad.
How many canyou show for pakistani spinners???

No ignorance my veggie friend, I am not the one who is jealous of Murali and Shoaib but your veggie friend is.

Here is the list of all Pakistani bowlers who have taken 10+ wickets in a test match.

Checkout their stat profiles

Abdul Qadir http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/A/ABDUL_QADIR_07001538/

Danesh Kaneria http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/D/DANISH_KANERIA_07010398/

Intikhab Alam http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/I/INTIKHAB_ALAM_07001117/

Iqbal Qasim http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/I/IQBAL_QASIM_07001514/

Mushtaq Ahmed http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/M/MUSHTAQ_AHMED_07001946/

Saqlain Mushtaq http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/S/SAQLAIN_MUSHTAQ_07002221/

Zulfiqar Ahmed http://www-usa7.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/Z/ZULFIQAR_AHMED_07000941/

I hope you’re happy!

PS- I am not denying that many Indian spinners haven’t taken 10+ wickets in a test match but only one and 2 have done it outside India, (thanks to the links by veggie bhai)

Peace Out!


[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited May 28, 2002).]

Dont post unnecessiry links ...
Post the incidents where pakistani bowlers have taken more than 10 wickets in a test match outside subcontinent.Spinned freindsly pictches of India,PAK and Sri lanks dont count.

I will be surprised of you come out with more than 5 cases.
If you do then post the links of those matches or just shut up.

Wehn you laugh at Indian fast bowlers then its digestable to some extent .But this was too much man.


Unka Jo Kaam hai Ahl-e-Siyasat Jaane,
Apna paigam muhabbat hai ,jahan tak pahuche

Thank you my NON VEGIE friend. I am not jealous of anyone - Here is my Link on Shoaib Akhtar - http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/DEC/062964_CI_15DEC2001.html Read it thoroughly, otherwise I will have to quote from it.

Congratulations !! This is a first.

Why not ??

Still, not enough to kidnap Ganguly’s DAD. (If you want I can post the link to show Whose pajamas were lit after 1996 World Cup Loss)

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif


AK

There you go my veggie friend!
Abdul Qadir vs England http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1980S/1987/PAK_IN_ENG/PAK_ENG_T5_06-11AUG1987.html

Intekhab Alam vs NZ http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1972-73/PAK_IN_NZ/PAK_NZ_T2_07-10FEB1973.html

**Mustahq Ahmed vs Australia ** http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1995-96/PAK_IN_AUS/PAK_AUS_T2_17-20NOV1995.html
http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1995-96/PAK_IN_AUS/PAK_AUS_T3_30NOV-04DEC1995.html

vs Newzeland http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1995-96/PAK_IN_NZ/PAK_NZ_T_08-12DEC1995.html

vs SA http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1997-98/PAK_IN_RSA/PAK_RSA_T2_26FEB-02MAR1998.html

Saqlain Mushtaq vs Australia http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1999-2000/PAK_IN_AUS/SCORECARDS/PAK_AUS_T2_18-22NOV1999.html

OK, these are 8 matches where Pak bowlers have taken the wickets you desired.

I never said Pak had better spinners, you and your friend brought my team in.

Anything your bowlers are good at, Pakistan is ahead of you.

Now lets get back to the topic shall we.

Peace out!


OK Asif, you keep bringing on the same link in every post about Shoaib, let me tell you something, everything in cricket world today is run by ICC, no match can be official without ICC's permission (Ind vs SA 3rd test)
Even If Pak boycotts playing international cricket, they still wouldn't have let him go easily if he was a chucker.
ICC cleared him and he is legal and that is the reason he is playing rightnow, simple as that, no permission, no Shoaib.
Please read the 2 links I provided you with above, and do comment on Murali's case if you like.

I stand behind Gilchrist not because he expressed his opinion just like all the other officials have done in the past, I'm not saying that he won't get punished, I'm saying he shouldn't get punished.

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*Still, not enough to kidnap Ganguly's DAD. (If you want I can post the link to show Whose pajamas were lit after 1996 World Cup Loss) *
[/quote]

One simple burglary incident and you keep bringing that up.
It was one or two people's action, not the whole country's decision.
I can generalize many Indians for their religious rituals but I know that is not all the hindus.

Peace out!


[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited May 28, 2002).]

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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**OK Asif, you keep bringing on the same link in every post about Shoaib, let me tell you something, everything in cricket world today is run by ICC, no match can be official without ICC's permission (Ind vs SA 3rd test)
Even If Pak boycotts playing international cricket, they still wouldn't have let him go easily if he was a chucker.
ICC cleared him and he is legal and that is the reason he is playing rightnow, simple as that, no permission, no Shoaib.
Please read the 2 links I provided you with above, and do comment on Murali's case if you like.

I stand behind Gilchrist not because he expressed his opinion just like all the other officials have done in the past, I'm not saying that he won't get punished, I'm saying he shouldn't get punished.

One simple burglary incident and you keep bringing that up.
It was one or two people's action, not the whole country's decision.
I can generalize many Indians for their religious rituals but I know that is not all the hindus.

About WC, you only remember the last 2 WC matches, why not remember the ones before 96.
92, 87, 83, 77, 73.

If you want to talk about WC then start another thread.
Peace out!

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Umair bhai choro kis say moon liga rahay ho. just read what they post and keep quite even if they are wrong.

[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited May 29, 2002).]

No Q, there is just a simple healthy argument going on, you can tell that by not seeing Ehsan's name in any of my post, I'm just telling these kids on what is right and what is wrong.
Both Shoaib and Murali were cleared by ICC, everyone has got past that except for these haters.


This is what Warne has said about Murali's action:

Sri Lankan off-spinner Muttiah Muralitharan's bowling action will continue to create controversy with cricket fans, said Australia's Shane Warne.

"The fact with Muralitharan, I think his action will always create speculation with people, just the Joe Public saying does he or doesn't he," Warne told reporters.

**"The ICC (the International Cricket Council) have cleared him to say he can play international cricket, that should be good enough for the players.

"Is he legal, yes ... so you just get on with it." **

Australia vice-captain Adam Gilchrist was reprimanded by the Australian Cricket Board (ACB) on Monday after suggesting Muralitharan's bowling action was suspect.

Warne, 32, is the second-leading wicket-taker in test cricket history with 450 wickets in 101 matches, trailing retired West Indies pace bowler Courtney Walsh on 519.

Muralitharan, 30, with 412 from 73 tests, is widely expected to overhaul both of them in the next few years.

The world's top-ranked bowler, Muralitharan has been called for throwing in Australia but the ICC have since cleared his action.

"I don't want to get involved in whether Gilly is right or wrong," Warne said.

"It's a matter between the ACB and Gilly and I'm sure they'll sort it out."

Sirf 8 ?? Here is my list :-

KUMBLE http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1992-93/IND_IN_RSA/IND_RSA_T2_26-30NOV1992.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1996-97/IND_IN_WI/IND_WI_T1_06-10MAR1997.html

BEDI http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1960S/1967-68/IND_IN_NZ/IND_NZ_T2_22-27FEB1968.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1975-76/IND_IN_WI/IND_WI_T2_24-29MAR1976.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1977-78/IND_IN_AUS/IND_AUS_T2_16-21DEC1977.html

CHANDRASHEKHAR http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1971/IND_IN_ENG/IND_ENG_T3_19-24AUG1971.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1975-76/IND_IN_NZ/IND_NZ_T1_24-28JAN1976.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1975-76/IND_IN_WI/IND_WI_T3_07-12APR1976.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1977-78/IND_IN_AUS/IND_AUS_T3_30DEC1977-04JAN1978.html

PRASANNA http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1960S/1967-68/IND_IN_AUS/IND_AUS_T3_19-24JAN1968.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1960S/1967-68/IND_IN_NZ/IND_NZ_T3_29FEB-04MAR1968.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1960S/1967-68/IND_IN_NZ/IND_NZ_T4_07-12MAR1968.html http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1975-76/IND_IN_NZ/IND_NZ_T1_24-28JAN1976.html

RAVI SHASTRI http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1980S/1985-86/IND_IN_AUS/IND_AUS_T2_26-30DEC1985.html

HARBHAJAN SINGH http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2001-02/IND_IN_WI/SCORECARDS/IND_WI_T5_18-22MAY2002.html

Can someone count it for my friend please ?

How about reading the next line you said ‘Pakistan is ahed of you’ what does that mean, and my (non-veg) friend you brought India first and called Me (as well as Gilchrist) jealous.

Not really my NON-VEGGIE friend - You have better fast bowlers, we have better spin bowlers and we have better batsmen.

Well ICC has not cleared him yet and he has completed phase 2 recently and he is not supposed to play because if he is called again within a year he would be banned for at least one year. So in a way PCB is taking risk.

He chucks, Everyone knows that.

Thank you my friend, for telling me that, I hope you also believe in that and you remember it next time you make a comment like ‘Dhotiz on fire’. Trust me I dont like bringing all this but wont hesitate to bring it If you generalize anything.

You have already generalized lot of things - Like Every Indian is a Veggie, every Indian wears a Dhoti

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

and there are lot of things which I wouldn’t like to mention on this thread. So you know..its good that you realized it.
My intention was not to hurt you.


AK

Asif,

Murali has been clinically proven to have a deformed arm and it is official that his bowling is legal.

You have also called Shoaib a chucker in this thread when in fact his action has also been passed. So you need to apologise for casting slurs on these guys IMO

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif