Law,
Yeah I know, I am no way near as fundo as some of my posts, a lot of it is tongue in cheek (ie massacre.......), and most ppl know it.
I am curious what inventions were made by which Islamic scientist? I am sure there are some, if you can list them. (This is not a challenge)
Search the net, in short we improved mankinds lot for maths, medicine, physics, chemisry, all the arts, and pretty much all else.
Theres been loads of threads on this over the months, find one. :)
There is plenty that is not taught in schools in the west.. Here is something to start with.
Keith Devlin on the debt of influence that science, culture and technology owe to Islam
Thursday September 5, 2002
The Guardian
Today, mention of the word Islam can, to some, conjure up images of terrorists flying planes full of people into buildings, all in the name, they say, of God.
In an equally sad vein, the word Baghdad brings to mind Saddam Hussein. Both images are as unrepresentative as they are understandable, a sad reflection on the ease with which a handful of fanatics can hijack not just a plane but an entire cultural heritage and its associated religion.
For those of us in mathematics, the sadness is even greater. For the culture that these fanatics claim to represent when they set about trying to destroy the modern world of science and technology was, in fact, the cradle in which that tradition was nurtured.
** For all present-day mathematicians and scientists are children of Islam **
Did you come across the speech of HPs CEO Carly Fiorina? If not then let me know I will post it here. Have you seen PBS documentry “Islam Empire of Faith” ? Try that I downloaded from the net its in three parts 500Meg each. In short according to western historians it was Islam that brough the Europeans out of the caves. In Europe there was a time when all the literature on any subject was only available in arabic… thats because it took Europeans 400 years to find out there is such a thing as paper.
The first scientific convention was held in Baghdad by the Abbasid dynasty “of course muslims” in the 11th century and now its held every years in the west.
And this all is straight from the houses mouth His Highness Prince Charles of England. Be more then happy to provide URLs and try to provide none muslim source… As I am sure if I provide a link from islamic web site it will be rejected.
Aravamudhan
Try these.
Jabir Ibn Haiyan (Geber) Chemistry (Father of Chemistry) Died 803 C.E.
Al-Asmai Zoology, Botany, Animal Husbandry. 740 - 828
Al-Khwarizmi (Algorizm) Mathematics, Astronomy, Geography. (Algorithm, Algebra, calculus) 770 - 840
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Amr ibn Bahr Al-Jahiz Zoology, Arabic Grammar, Rhetoric, Lexicography 776 - 868
Ibn Ishaq Al-Kindi (Alkindus) Philosophy, Physics, Optics, Medicine, Mathematics, Metallurgy. 800 - 873
Thabit Ibn Qurrah (Thebit) Astronomy, Mechanics, Geometry, Anatomy. 836 - 901
'Abbas Ibn Firnas Mechanics of Flight, Planetarium, Artificial Crystals. Died 888
Ali Ibn Rabban Al-Tabari Medicine, Mathematics, Caligraphy, Literature. 838 - 870
Al-Battani (Albategnius) Astronomy, mathematics, Trigonometry. 858 - 929
Al-Farghani (Al-Fraganus) Astronomy, Civil Engineering. C. 860
Al-Razi (Rhazes) Medicine, Ophthalmology, Smallpox, Chemistry, Astronomy. 864 - 930
Al-Farabi (Al-Pharabius) Sociology, Logic, Philosophy, Political Science, Music. 870 - 950
Abul Hasan Ali Al-Masu’di Geography, History. Died 957
Al-Sufi (Azophi) Astronomy 903 - 986
Abu Al-Qasim Al-Zahravi (Albucasis) Surgery, Medicine. (Father of Modern Surgery) 936 - 1013
Muhammad Al-Buzjani Mathematics, Astronomy, Geometry, Trigonometry. 940 - 997
Ibn Al-Haitham (Alhazen) Physics, Optics, Mathematics. 965 - 1040
Al-Mawardi (Alboacen) Political Science, Sociology, Jurisprudence, Ethics. 972 - 1058
Abu Raihan Al-Biruni Astronomy, Mathematics. (Determined Earth’s Circumference) 973-1048
Ibn Sina (Avicenna) Medicine, Philosophy, Mathematics, Astronomy. 981 - 1037
Al-Zarqali (Arzachel) Astronomy (Invented Astrolabe). 1028 - 1087
Omar Al-Khayyam Mathematics, Poetry. 1044 - 1123
Al-Ghazali (Algazel) Sociology, Theology, Philosophy. 1058 - 1111
Fall of Muslim Toledo (1085), Corsica and Malta (1090), Provence (1050), Sicily (1091) and Jerusalem (1099).
Several Crusades. First wave of devastation of Muslim resources, lives, properties, institutions, and infrastructure over a period of one hundred years. Refer to Muslim History.
Translators of Scientific Knowledge in the Middle Ages.
Abu Bakr Muhammad Ibn Yahya (Ibn Bajjah) Philosophy, Medicine, Mathematics, Astronomy, Poetry, Music. 1106 - 1138
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) Surgery, Medicine. 1091 - 1161
Al-Idrisi (Dreses) Geography (World Map, First Globe). 1099 - 1166
Ibn Tufayl, Abdubacer Philosophy, Medicine, Poetry. 1110 - 1185
Ibn Rushd (Averroes) Philosophy, Law, Medicine, Astronomy, Theology. 1128 - 1198
Al-Bitruji (Alpetragius) Astronomy Died 1204
Second wave of devastation of Muslim resources, lives, properties, institutions, and infrastructure over a period of one hundred and twelve years. Crusader invasions (1217-1291) and Mongol invasions (1219-1329). Crusaders active throughout the Mediterranean from Jerusalem and west to Muslim Spain. Fall of Muslim Cordoba (1236), Valencia (1238) and Seville (1248). Mongols devastation from the eastern most Muslim frontier, Central and Western Asia, India, Persia to Arab heartland. Fall of Baghdad (1258) and the end of Abbasid Caliphate. Two million Muslims massacred in Baghdad. Major scientific institutions, laboratories, and infrastructure destroyed in leading Muslim centers of civilization. Refer to “A Chronology of Muslim History Parts III, IV.”
Ibn Al-Baitar Pharmacy, Botany Died 1248
Nasir Al-Din Al-Tusi Astronomy, Non-Euclidean Geometry. 1201 - 1274
Jalal Al-Din Rumi Sociology 1207 - 1273
Ibn Al-Nafis Damishqui Anatomy 1213 - 1288
Al-Fida (Abdulfeda) Astronomy, Geography, Histrory. 1273 - 1331
Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (Ibn Battuta) World Traveler. 75,000 mile voyage from Morocco to China and back. 1304 - 1369
Ibn Khaldun Sociology, Philosophy of History, Political Science. 1332 - 1395
Ulugh Beg Astronomy 1393 - 1449
Third wave of devastation of Muslim resources, lives, properties, institutions, and infrastructure. End of Muslim rule in Spain (1492). More than one million volumes of Muslim works on science, arts, philosophy and culture was burnt in the public square of Vivarrambla in Granada. Colonization began in Africa, Asia, and the Americas.
Two hundred years before a comparable development elsewhere, Turkish scientist Hazarfen Ahmet Celebi took off from Galata tower and flew over the Bosphorus. Fifty years later Logari Hasan Celebi, another member of the Celebi family, sent the first manned rocket into upper atmosphere, using 150 okka (about 300 pounds) of gunpowder as the firing fuel.
Tipu, Sultan of Mysore [1783-1799] in the south of India, was the innovator of the world’s first war rocket. Two of his rockets, captured by the British at Srirangapatana, are displayed in the Woolwich Museum Artillery in London. The rocket motor casing was made of steel with multiple nozzles. The rocket, 50mm in diameter and 250mm long, had a range performance of 900 meters to 1.5 km.
The above dates are converted from the Islamic calendar (A.H.) which begins with Hejira, the migration of Prophet Muhammad (s) from Makkah to Medinah. The calendar is based on lunar monthly cycles. 1 A.H. = 622 C.E.
The above table and it’s full contents including indepth individual Biographies can be found at the following link:
to annad and others .................what u dont nuderstand is the differnce b/w islam and other religion ..........u say we muslims have no patience ...........i say we r more patient then we need to be...........neglible damage was done to hindus in pakistan in reply to babri episode...............in contrast after the recent unexpected win againstpakistan indians wounded many muslims in india...........u dont see any incident like this in pakistan............
we respect our religious personalities...in contrast ur religious personalities r disgrace full (i have no other word to describe it ) then real life hindus...............u dont respect ur relidious perso. either..............
chalta hay ...................mujh ko kubhi to aakaila to mill.................log jo kahain zaroori nahin wo such ho..................
how many pakistanis know panini was born in pakistan
Born: about 520 BC in Shalatula (near Attock), now Pakistan
Panini should be thought of as the forerunner of the modern formal language theory used to specify computer languages. The Backus Normal Form was discovered independently by John Backus in 1959, but Panini’s notation is equivalent in its power to that of Backus and has many similar properties. It is remarkable to think that concepts which are fundamental to today’s theoretical computer science should have their origin with an Indian genius around 2500 years ago.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Panini.html
An overview of Indian mathematics
http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Indian_mathematics.html#s23
The question was about islamic contribution 600 AD not BC… 
BTW I did a google on panini and came with 110 hits from coffee and cake to nice sand beaches!!!
panini is pakistani by geography he is not from orissa.
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panini is pakistani by geography he is not from orissa.
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So he is!! good, I am flattered.... Now lets get back to the topic...
There is no mercy for any one who dares even to speak the name of the Jewel of paradise without proper respect, and that kafir Rushdie dared to insult our master! You call for paitence?
In His lifetime, the Prophet(SAW) was abused by His detractors in filthiest terms, Rushdie is peanuts compared to those pagans. How did He behave with them?
But if you do not want to learn anything from His life, then it's a different question.
*I am getting angry just thinking about your lack of love for Allah's messenger! I am not the "chaudray of Islam", and Allah would never appoint me to such a rank, but I am for all my faults in heart a firm believer and the mention of Rasool Allah reaches the deepest level of iman I have. Allah would understand the motive, its just cause and I fear no punishment for the defence of the name of our eternal King.
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When Allah(SWT) has laid down the specific guidelines to be followed , when He had sent the Prophet (SAW) as role model for the entire world and not just the Muslims, what makes you think you'll make Him happy by straying out of the path shown by the Prophet(SAW) ?
*may the blood of the disbelievers spill freely.
*we will rise soon insha Allah and start by slaughtering the idol worshippers to our south, man, women and child.
Excellent!! I don't ever want to comment on your faith but don't ever claim yourself to be the follower of a Noble Man who said "Those who hurt Dhimmi hurt me."
In praise of Islamic civilization
Extract from a speech by Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard.
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.
This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.
In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.
Para from Prince Charles speech
Islam nurtured and preserved the quest for learning. In the words of the tradition, 'the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr'. Cordoba in the 10th century was by far the most civilised city of Europe. We know of lending libraries in Spain at the time King Alfred was making terrible blunders with the culinary arts in this country. It is said that the 400,000 volumes in its ruler's library amounted to more books than all the libraries of the rest of Europe put together. That was made possible because the Muslim world acquired from China the skill of making paper more than four hundred years before the rest of non-Muslim Europe. ** Many of the traits on which modern Europe prides itself came to it from Muslim Spain. Diplomacy, free trade, open borders, the techniques of academic research, of anthropology, etiquette, fashion, alternative medicine, hospitals, all came from this great city of cities. Mediaeval Islam was a religion of remarkable tolerance for its time, allowing Jews and Christians the right to practise their inherited beliefs, and setting an example which was not, unfortunately, copied for many centuries in the West. The surprise, ladies and gentlemen, is the extent to which Islam has been a part of Europe for so long, first in Spain, then in the Balkans, and the extent to which it has contributed so much towards the civilisation which we all too often think of, wrongly, as entirely Western. ** Islam is part of our past and present, in all fields of human endeavour. It has helped to create modern Europe. It is part of our own inheritance, not a thing apart.
LOL! are u still in SM?
as for the islamic scientists:
can u meniotn even ONE or TWO scientists/thinkers, who can be placed in the same category as Plato, Socrates, Aristotles, Newton, Einstein, Shakespeare, Watson and Crick (=discovered DNA), Descartes etc etc
i agree, the Arab world has brought some fine scientists and thinkers, but two things i want to say:
firstly, most of them have lived 1000 yrs ago,......if u look in the past centuries, scientific development in muslim countries has been zero comma zero!
secondly, the 'great' scientists form arab countries, i think, certianly are one or two classes behind the likes of Newton, Einstein, Shakespeare etc
OSme of the greatest scholars and scientists in the middle ages made a great contribution to human civilization. Just as the scientists before them and the ones after them. Science and literature is for everyone's benefit, religion has nothing to do with it.
You cannot say that because they were muslims they were luminaries. Einstein is not in a pamphlet of jewish scholars. His achievements inspire everyone, including muslims.
When I read all kind of threatening language, I smell something satanic..........
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OSme of the greatest scholars and scientists in the middle ages made a great contribution to human civilization. Just as the scientists before them and the ones after them. Science and literature is for everyone's benefit, religion has nothing to do with it.
You cannot say that because they were muslims they were luminaries. Einstein is not in a pamphlet of jewish scholars. His achievements inspire everyone, including muslims.
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You got to look in the context of the ppl we are discussing what were they before Islam and what did they become after.
Before Islam these arabs use to bury their daughters alive just like female infanticide that is common in India today... They were uncivilized uneducated barbarians who use to fight over petty things.. They were tribes who were fueding all the time. And there wasn't a sin under the sun they were not guilty off.
With the introduction of Islam things started changing rapidly... First declaration was one nation one God, all are equal. That put an end to the fighting.. Then islam introduced laws e.g protection of women etc.. etc... Inspired by the new religion they started educating themself as Islam strongly states... "For education/knowledge go to China if you have to" At the time China was considered the other side of the world...
So in a nut shell without islam arabs would still be burying their daughters and Europeans would still be living in caves.
Knowledge has no religion but its the religion which strongly encourages one to seek. And that religion is Islam.
Ibn al-Haytham father of optics..
Al-Khwarizmi father of Algebra (the Russians had a stamp with his picture on it http://www.bonita.k12.ca.us/schools/ramona/teachers/carlton/historypages/history3a.html )
Rumi one of the greatest poet and philospher.
And there are quite a few more but thet are from Islamic web sites so I’d rather provide nutral links.
But don’t expect west to give credit where its due. Ask an ordinary person on the street about muslim civilization and its contribution you will get the answer.
Exatly abdali. Islam worked for the jaahil arabs to give them some structure. Laaton ke bhoot.....
Other peole around the world were already well beyond the arabs in terms of scientific and social thought. They did not need it.