Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

AOA.

This character, Abdullah ibn Saba, is getting far more attention than he deserves, especially from some of our sunni and wahabi brothers.

No need to go into how often he is cited as the founder of shia islam by sunnis and wahabis.

So here is the lowdown

                                Abdullah Ibn Saba (Part I)

Enemies of Islam whose goal were/are to split the Muslims, in their effort
to explain the emergence of Shia, claim that the Shia are a sect which was
originated by Abdullah Ibn Saba, a Jew who embraced Islam during the reign
of Uthman Ibn Affan, the third caliph. They further state that Abdullah Ibn
Saba traveled in Muslim cities and towns, from Damascus to Kufa to Egypt,
propagating among Muslims that Ali is the Prophet’s successor. He provoked
Muslims to kill Uthman since he believed Uthman had occupied the seat of
Imam Ali. He also made mischief in the armies of Ali and his opponents in
the battle of Camel. He was also responsible for all the false ideas of the
Shia forward. These mercenary writers believe that Abdullah Ibn Saba is the
ORIGIN of Shia; and since he himself was a hypocrite and a falsifier of
tales, then all the knowledge and beliefs of the Shia are also false. In
fact, Abdullah Ibn Saba is the best scapegoat for all the claims of some
Sunnis.

While the existence of a person in the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba in the
early history of Islam is seriously under question, what is clear after
extensively researching this topic is that even if a poor man with such
name ever existed at that time, the stories propagated about this person
are legendary, false, fabricated, and fictitious, and there exists no proof
for the validity of these stories attached to him. This point will be
studied in this discussion, by the willing of Allah.

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Introduction

The fabricated stories around the character of Abdullah Ibn Saba are the
malicious production of one of the disciples of the devil, namely Sayf Ibn
Umar al-Tamimi.
He was a story teller, lived in the second century after
Hijrah, who shaped his stories by some primary facts he found in the
documented history of Islam available at that time. Sayf wrote a novel much
the same as what Salman Rushdi did in “Satanic Verses” with similar
motives, but with the difference that the role of Satan in this case was
given to poor Abdullah Ibn Saba.

Sayf Ibn Umar distorted the biographies of the companions of the Holy
Prophet (PBUH&HF) to please the government of his time, and to distort the
history of Shia and to ridicule Islam. Sayf was a staunch advocate of the
Umayads, who were known throughout history to be one of the worst enemies
of Ahlul-Bayt, and as such, it was in his best interest to invent such
stories to degrade the Shia
.

In his stories however he followed many other
goals one of which was to cleverly elevate the status of his tribe over
others by inventing some imaginary companions form his tribe. However many
Sunni scholars found numerous unjustifiable heresies in his reports which
was not limited to the issue of Abdullah Ibn Saba, and consequently they
abandoned his reports, and accuse him as a man of forgery and lies.** Yet
Sayf’s works enjoyed the support of a minority of Sunnis to this date.**

Here, later on, I give the sayings of several leading Sunni scholars, who
all confirmed that Sayf Ibn Umar was an untrustworthy person and his
stories are void.

Ideological studies indicate that most of those who hate the Shi’ite school
of thought (a lot of whom being the enemies of Islam anyway) justify their
enmity on this obvious heresy which they would exploit to backup their
attack on Shia. The approach which resembles the one adopted by Sayf Ibn
Umar himself.

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The Origin of The Tale

**The tale of Abdullah Ibn Saba is over twelve centuries old. Historians
and writers, one after the other recorded it, adding more and more to it.

With a glance at the chain of transmitters of this story, you will find the
name of Sayf sitting in there. The following historians recorded directly
from Sayf:

(1) Tabari.
(2) Dhahabi. He has also cited from Tabari(1).
(3) Ibn Abi Bakir. He has also recorded from Ibn Athir(15), who has
recorded from Tabari(1).
(4) Ibn Asakir.**

The following have recorded indirectly from Sayf:

(5) Nicholson from Tabari(1).
(6) Encyclopedia of Islam from Tabari(1).
(7) Van Floton from Tabari(1).
(8) Wellhauzen from Tabari(1).
(9) Mirkhand from Tabari(1).
(10) Ahmad Amin from Tabari(1), and from Wellhauzen(8).
(11) Farid Wajdi from Tabari(1).
(12) Hasan Ibrahim from Tabari(1).
(13) Saeed Afghani from Tabari(1), and from Ibn Abi Bakir(3), Ibn
Asakir(4), and Ibn Badran(21).
(14) Ibn Khaldoon from Tabari(1).
(15) Ibn Athir from Tabari(1).
(16) Ibn Kathir from Tabari(1).
(17) Donaldson from Nicholson(5), and from Encyclopedia(6).
(18) Ghiath al-Din from Mirkhand(9).
(19) Abul Fida from Ibn Athir(15).
(20) Rashid Ridha from Ibn Athir(15).
(21) Ibn Badran from Ibn Asakir(4).
(22) Bostani from Ibn Kathir(16).

The above list gives evidence to the fact that the fictitious stories
around the character of Abdullah Ibn Saba has been started by Sayf and
cited next by Tabari directly from Sayf’s book as Tabari mentioned himself
(See the chain of narrators of traditions related to Abdullah Ibn Saba,
inside the History of Tabari. For instance, see the index of Vol. 15,
English version, under the name of Sayf Ibn Umar or Abdullah Ibn Saba).
Therefore, Sayf’s character and his history should be studied and analyzed
with a great care.

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Who Is Sayf?

Sayf Ibn Umar al-Dhabbi al-Usayyidi al-Tamimi lived in the second century
of the Muslim era (8th century AD) and died after the year 170 AH (750 AD).
al-Dhahabi said that Sayf died during the rule of Haroon al-Rashid in
Baghdad (Iraq). During his life, Sayf wrote the following two books which
were available even during the reign of Umayad:

  1. “al-Fotooh wa al-Riddah” which is the history of the period before the
    death of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) until the third Caliph Uthman resumed
    office as the ruler of Muslim world.

  2. “al-Jamal wa Maseeri Aisha wa Ali” which is the history from the
    murder of Uthman to the battle of Jamal (the fight that happened
    between Imam Ali and some companions).

These books are now lost but survived for a number of centuries after
Sayf’s own lifetime. Based on what we found, the last person who had said
that he had possessed Sayf’s books was Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852 AH).

These two books of Sayf contained more action than truth, some forged
stories, and some true events which, intentionally, have been recorded in a
ridiculing manner.

Since Sayf spoke about some of the companions of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) andalso invented some companions with strange names, his stories have affectedthe history of early Islam. Some biographers such as the authors of “UsdulGhabah”, “Isti’ab” and “Isabah” and geographers such as the authors of
“Mu’jamul Boldan” and “al-Rawzul mi’tar” have written the life of some
companions of the Prophet, and named places which exist only in the books
written by Sayf. Because of this, the life and character of Sayf and his
credibility should be carefully investigated.

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What Do Sunni Scholars Say About Sayf?

The following leading Sunni scholars confirm that Sayf Ibn Umar was a well-
known liar and untrustworthy:

(1) al-Hakim (d. 405 AH) wrote: "Sayf is accused of being a heretic. His
narrations are abandoned."

(2) al-Nisa’i (d. 303 AH) wrote: "Sayf’s narrations are weak and they
should be disregarded because he was unreliable and untrustworthy."

(3) Yahya Ibn Mueen (d. 233 AH) wrote:** “Sayf’s narrations are weak and
useless.”**

(4) Abu Hatam (d. 277 AH) wrote: “Sayf’s Hadith is rejected.”

(5) Ibn Abi Hatam (d. 327 AH) wrote: “Scholars have abandoned Sayf’s
narrations.”

(6) Abu Dawud (d. 316 AH) wrote: “Sayf is nothing. He was a liar. Some of
his Hadiths were conveyed and the majority of them are denied.”

(7) Ibn Habban (d. 354 AH) wrote:** “Sayf attributed fabricated traditions
to the good reporters. He was accused of being a heretic and a liar.”**

(8) Ibn Abd al-Barr (d. 462 AH) mentined in his writing abut al-Qa’qa:
“Sayf reported that al-Qa’qa Said: I attended the death of the Prophet
Muhammad.” Ibn Adb al-Barr continued: “Ibn Abu Hatam said: Sayf is
weak. Thus, what was conveyed of the presence of al-Qa’qa at the death
of the Prophet is rejected. We mentioned the Sayf’s traditions for
knowledge only.”

(9) al-Darqutini (d. 385 AH) wrote: “Sayf is weak”.

(10) Firoozabadi (d. 817 AH) in “Towalif” mentioned Sayf and some others by
saying: “They are weak.”

(11) Ibn al-Sakan (d. 353 AH) wrote: “Sayf is weak.”

(12) Safi al-Din (d. 923 AH) wrote: “Sayf is considered weak.”

(13) Ibn Udei (d. 365 AH) wrote about Sayf: “He is weak. Some of his
narrations are famous yet the majority of his narrations are
disgraceful and not followed.”

(14) al-Suyuti (d. 900 AH) wrote:** “Sayf’s Hadith is weak.”**

(15) Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852 AH) wrote after mentioning a tradition:
** “Many reporters of this tradition are weak, and the weakest among them
is Sayf.”**

It is interesting to see that although al-Dhahabi (d. 748 AH) has quoted
from the book of Sayf in his History, he has mentioned in his other book
that Sayf as a weak narrator. In “al-Mughni fi al-Dhu’afa’” al-Dhahabi
wrote:

 "Sayf has two books which have been unanimously abandoned by the
 scholars." (al-Mughni fi al-Dhu'afa', by al-Dhahabi, p292)

The result of the investigation into Sayf’s life shows that Sayf was an
agnostic and an unreliable story teller. Stories told by him are dubious
and are entirely or partly forged. In his stories, he has used names of
cities which never existed in the world. Abdullah Ibn Saba are the star of
those stories. He also introduced some 150 imaginary companions for the
Prophet to fill out the empty characters of his scenarios, by giving them
some strange names which are not found in any other documents. Also the
timing of the events given by Sayf’s narrations contradict the authentic
Sunni documents. Sayf has also used imaginary chains of narrators, and
reported many miraculous events (like talking cows with human etc…).

Some of the defenders of Sayf hold the opinion that eventhough he was known
as a weak transmitter and many scholars of Hadith do not trust his reports,
it is only in the matter of the Shari’ah (the Law), but not in the matter
of historical report!

By that, they want to rely on the “historical” stories of someone who was
regarded a liar and “zindeeq”! If the problem of Sayf was just lack of
knowledge about Shari’ah (divine law), one could say he can be trusted on
other accounts. But the problem with Sayf was that he was a liar, and made
lots of forgery by constructing the events, attributed fabricated
traditions to good narrators. Then such person becomes questionable for
almost everything. As for his historical accounts we will witness in
Part V that even Christian historians have confirmed great inconsistencies
between his historical report and other sober transmitters. No need to
mention Sunni and Shia opinion on the heretical nature of Sayf.

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The stories about Abdullah Ibn Saba which do
NOT have any source or any chain of transmitters

There are some reports from both Shia and Sunni scholars, historians, and
story tellers of ancient cultures who wrote few lines about Abdullah Ibn
Saba but did not supply any evidence for their claims, nor did they provide
any chain of supportive authorities (isnad) for their reports to be
examined.
For instance, their reports start with: “some people say so and so …” or
“some scholars say so and so …” without mentioning who that scholar was,
and where they got it from. It was based on rumor which was propagated by
Umayads (AFTER Sayf’s work) which had reached them, and some based on the
authors’ own creativity. This is inferred when we see these authors have
reported some legends which are clearly false and rejected by logic. These
reports are provided by those who wrote books about “al-Milal wa Nihal”
(stories about civilizations and cultures) or “al-Firaq” (divisions/sects).

**Among the Sunnis who mentioned the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba in their
stories WITHOUT bringing any source for their claims, are:

(1) Ali Ibn Isma’il al-Ash’ari (d. 330) in his book “Maqalat al-
Islamiyin” (Essays about the People of Islam).

(2) Abdul-Qahir Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi (d. 429) in his book “al-Farq Bain
al-Firaq” (Differences of the Sects).

(3) Muhammad Ibn Abdil-Karim al-Shahrastani (d. 548) in his book “al-Milal
wan Nihal” (Nations and Cultures).

The above mentioned Sunnis do not give any source or any chain of authority
for their story about Abdullah Ibn Saba. They have competed with each other
to increase the number of sects in Islam with strange names such as al-
Kawusiyyah, al-Tayyarah, al-Mamturah, al-Ghrabiyyah, al-Ma’lumiyyah !!,
al-Majhuliyyah !!! and so on WITHOUT giving any source or reference for
their claims. Living in medieval times, these authors presumed that writing
stranger stories and attributing unrealistic events to different Muslim
nations will make them more reputable than the other competitors in this
area. And by that, they caused a tragic damage to the history of Islam and
committed a great crime for what they have falsely attributed to the Muslim
nations.**

Some of them have provided silly legends and fairy-tales whose falsehood
are easy to detect nowadays, though it would have been possible for them to
succeed in passing off such stories as history in those times. For
instance, al-Shahrastani in his book “al-Milal wan Nihal” has mentioned
that there was a group of semi-human creatures in the name of “al-Nas-Naas”
with only half face, one eye, one hand, and one leg.
Muslims could talk to
these semi-human creatures and they even exchanged poetry!!! Some Muslims
even used to go hunting these semi-human creatures and they used to eat
them!!! These semi-humans could jump faster than a horse and were
ruminant/cud- chewers!!! al-Shahrastani further mentioned that al-
Mutawakkil, the Abbasid Caliph, ordered the scientists of his time to
investigate about these creatures!!! (See al-Milal wan Nihal, by al-
Sharastani)

People at that time did not have the modern tools that would enable them
to discover the falsehood these unrealistic stories and fairy-tales, and
perhaps they would have preferred more extensive and more strange
collections which may have seemed a guarantee of their accuracy, eventhough
they were provided with no reference.

Also by chronological study of the life time of these authors, we can
conclude that ALL of them were long after the era of Sayf Ibn Umar, and
even after al-Tabari. So it is quite possible that they all got the story
of Abdullah Ibn Saba from Sayf. This claim becomes more strong when one
observes that non of them mentioned the source of their reports which might
be due to the fact that Sayf Ibn Umar’s scandal was known to every body by
that time and they did not want to discredit their books by mentioning its
source. Moreover there exists NO document available related to Abdullah Ibn
Saba BEFORE Sayf. The scholars or historians who lived before Sayf Ibn Umar
NEVER mentioned the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba in their books. This shows
that if Ibn Saba ever existed he was not anything important for the
historians before Sayf. This is also another reason to believe that what
was propagated around the personality of Abdullah Ibn Saba was initiated
by the mass propaganda of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi.

Among the Shia who mentioned the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba but without any
information regarding to their source, are the following two historians:

(1) Sa’ad Ibn Abdillah al-Ash’ari al-Qummi (d. 301) in his book “al-Maqalat
wal-Firaq” mentioned a report in which there exists the name of
Abdullah Ibn Saba. But he did not mention any chain of authorities nor
did he mention from whom (or which book) he got the story and what his
source was. Moreover al-Ash’ari al-Qummi has narrated many traditions
from Sunni authorities. al-Najjashi (d. 450) in his “al-Rijal” said
that al-Ash’ari al-Qummi traveled to many places and was well-known
for his relation with Sunni historians and heard many stories from
them. He wrote many weak reports from what he heard, one of which is
a short story about Abdullah Ibn Saba, with no reference.

(2) Hasan Ibn Musa al-Nawbakhti (d. 310) who was a Shia historian who
provided in his book “al-Firaq” a report in which is the name of
Abdullah Ibn Saba. However he never mentioned from whom he got the
report and what his source was.

The above two were the Shia who originally provided some information about
the existence of an accursed man in the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba at the
time of Imam Ali (AS). Notice that all of them reported these information
long after Sayf Ibn Umar and even after al-Tabari wrote his history. Thus
they might perhaps got the information from Sayf or those who quoted from
him such as al-Tabari. This becomes more probable when we see that they
wrote “Some people say so and so…” without giving any documented support
(isnad) or the name of those “some people”!

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**Reports about Abdullah Ibn Saba which
were NOT transmitted through Sayf Ibn Umar

We should point out however that there are less than 14 reports available
in the collections of Shia and Sunni which mentions the name of Abdullah
Ibn Saba, and are supplied with the chain of authorities, but in their
chain of authorities the name of Sayf does not exist.**

As for the Shia, he was al-Kushshi (or al-Keshshi; also abbreviated as
Kash) (d. 369) who wrote his book “Rijal” in 340 AH. In that book he
mentioned few traditions in which there exists the name of Abdullah Ibn
Saba, from the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt which were quoted below. As we will see,
these traditions give a very different picture than those mentioned by
Sayf. However, it has been proven for Shia scholars that the book of al-Kashshi
has some errors, especially in the names and also few errors in quotations.
His book also contains some weak traditions, and as a result, it is not a
fully reliable source for the Shia. Not to mention that the reports of al-Kushshi
(Kash) are not found in any of the major 4-books of tradition for Shia. (For
a critical evaluation of his errors, please see al-Rijal by al-Tusteri as
well as al-Askari.)

Other Shia scholars who mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba, have quoted al-Kushshi
or the two historians mentioned above (i.e., al-A’sh’ari al-Qummi and al-
Nawbakhti who did not provide any chain of transmitters or any source for
their report). Among those who quoted al-Kushshi (Kash) are: Shaikh al-Tusi
(d. 460), Ahmad Ibn Tawoos (d. 673), Allama al-Hilli (d. 726), etc.

As for the Sunnis, beside those who quoted from Sayf Ibn Umar whose names
were given earlier, there are few reports from Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani which
provide the very similar information of what al-Kushshi (Kash) provided
(see below).

**For these very few Shi’i and Sunni reports, we would like to mention the
following points:

  1. The story that these few Sunni and Shia traditions provide, are totally
    different than the heavy narrations propagated by Sayf Ibn Umar. These
    tradition say that there was a poor man in the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba
    appeared AT THE TIME OF government of Imam Ali (AS). He claimed that he was
    a Prophet and Ali was God, and as soon as Imam Ali heard the news, he
    imprisoned him, and asked him to repent. He did not do so, and thus, Imam
    Ali ordered to burn him. The traditions confirm that Imam Ali and his
    descendants cursed this man and disassociated themselves from his claim of
    deity for Imam Ali (AS). This is all there is about it, provided that
    these few traditions are genuine in the first place.**

  2. These few (less than 14) traditions do NOT exist in any authentic book.
    In fact, there is NO mention of Abdullah Ibn Saba in ANY of the six
    authenticSunni collections (Sihah)
    . Moreover, these few reports were NEVER rated authenticby Shia or Sunni scholars, and there is a great possibility that a personin the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba never existed in the world, and was the
    total invention of Sayf Ibn Umar, similar to his invention of 150 imaginary
    companions for the Prophet (PBUH&HF) which do not exist in any other
    independent report. Granted that Abdullah Ibn Saba ever existed, Sayf has
    used his character and attributed many events to him for which there exists
    NO SIMILAR REPORT by other Sunni narrators. Not only that, but also Sayf’s
    reports clearly contradict other reports by the Sunnis, as we will show in
    this part and the next parts. Such malicious construction of the events
    were easy to detect even by the Sunni scholars.

Now, let me give you some of these few traditions which have NOT been
reported by Sayf, and compare what Sayf attributed to Abdullah Ibn Saba.
As for Shia:

It is attributed to Abu Ja’far (AS) saying:

 Abdullah Ibn Saba used to claim being a prophet and claimed that The
 Commander of Believers, Ali (AS) is God.   Allah is Higher than such
 (claim). This news reached to The Commander of Believers (AS), so he
 called him and questioned him. But he repeated his claims and said:
 "You are Him (i.e., God), and it has been revealed to me that you are
 God and I am a prophet." So The Commander of Believers (AS) said: "How
 dare you! Satan has made a mockery of you. Repent for what you
 said. May your mother weep at your death! Quit (your claim)."  But he
 refused, so (Imam Ali) imprisoned him and asked him three times to
 repent, but he didn't. Thus he burnt him with fire and said: "Satan
 had taken him into his whim, he used to come to him and to induce
 these (thoughts) in him." (Rijal, by al-Kushshi)

Moreover it is reported that Imam Ali Ibn Husain (AS) said:

 "May the curse of Allah be upon those who tell lies about us. I
 mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba and each hair in my body stood up, Allah
 cursed him. Ali (AS) was, by Allah, a proper servant of Allah, the
 brother of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF). He did not earn the
 graciousness/honor from Allah except with the obedience to Allah and
 His Messenger. And (similarly) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) did
 not earn the honor from Allah except with his obedience to Allah."
 (Rijal, by al-KuShshi)

It is reported that Abu Abdillah (AS) said:

 "We are a family of truthfulness. But we are not safe from a liar
 telling lies about us to undermine our truth with his lies in front of
 people. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) was the most truthful among
 people in what he said (Lahjatan) and the most truthful among all
 humanity; and Musaylima used to lie on him. The Commander of Believers
 (AS) was the most truthful one among the creation of Allah after the
 Messenger of Allah; and the one who used to lie on him, and tried to
 undermine his truthfulness and claimed lies about Allah, was Abdullah
 Ibn Saba." (Rijal, by al-Kushshi)

Also:

 "As he (Aba Abdillah - Ja'far al-Sadiq) was telling his companions in
 the subject of Abdullah Ibn Saba and that he claimed in Godness of The
 Commander of Believers, Ali Ibn Abi Talib. He said: When he claimed
 that in Ali, he asked him to repent and he refused, so he burnt him
 with fire." (Rijal, by al-Kushshi)

As for the Sunnis, few reports from Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani which provide the
very similar information of what al-Kushshi (Kash) provided. Ibn Hajar
mentioned:

 "Abdullah Ibn Saba was one of the extremist (al-Ghulat),
 dualist/seducee/manichaeist (Zindeeq), and misguided, which is
 conveyed that Ali burnt him with fire." (Lisan al-Mizan, by Ibn Hajar
 al-Asqalani, v3, p289)

Then Ibn Hajar continues:

 "Ibn Asakir mentioned in his History that `his origin (Abdullah
 Ibn Saba) was from Yemen and that he was a Jew who adopted Islam and
 traveled in the cities of Muslims and preached them to disobey their
 rulers, to induce evil amongst them, then he entered Damascus for that
 purpose.' Then Ibn Asakir mentioned a LONG STORY from the book of
 al-Futooh of Sayf Ibn Umar, which does not have correct support/
 authorities (isnad)." (Lisan al-Mizan, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani,
 v3, p289)

Then Ibn Hajar gives a tradition among whose chain of authorities two
individuals are missing. In footnote he says that its has been dropped.
This is the tradition:

 "Ali ascended the pulpit and said: What is wrong with him? people
 said: He is denying (or lying upon) Allah and His Messenger." (Lisan
 al-Mizan, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v3, p289)

In another tradition, Ibn Hajar reported:

 "Ali said to Abdullah Ibn Saba: I have been told that there shall be
 thirty liars/imposters (who claim prophethood) and your are one of
 them" (Lisan al-Mizan, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v3, p290)

He also wrote:

 "Ibn Saba and his followers believed in the deity of Ali Ibn Abi
 Talib, and certainly Ali burnt them by fire during his rule."
 (Lisan al-Mizan, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v3, p290)

These Sunni traditions were not rated authentic either. The total of these
tradition by both Shia and Sunni (reported by other than Sayf), do not
exceed fourteen at most. They will be even less if you remove repetitions.
These few Sunnite and Shi’ite traditions convey that:

  1. Abdullah Ibn Saba appeared during the Caliphate of Imam Ali (AS), and
    not during the rule of Uthman as Sayf alleged.

  2. Abdullah Ibn Saba did not say that Ali is the successor of Prophet
    (PBUH&HF) as Sayf claimed. Rather he said Ali (AS) is God.

  3. Imam Ali (AS) burnt him along with all other extremists (al-Ghulat).
    This is while Sayf does not state such a thing.

  4. There is no mention of his existence or his playing a role at the time
    of Uthman. There is no mention of his agitation against Uthman which
    ended up with assassination of Uthman as Sayf attributed to Abdullah Ibn
    Saba.

  5. There is no mention of the role of Abdullah Ibn Saba in the battle of
    Camel as Sayf attributed to him.

  6. These traditions do not indicate that any righteous companions of
    Prophet followed Abdullah Ibn Saba. This is while Sayf maliciously
    alleged that some of the most faithful pioneers of Islam such as Abu
    Darr (RA) and Ammar Yasir (RA) were the students of Abdullah Ibn Saba
    during the reign of Uthman.

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al-Saba’iya and the Multiple personality of Ibn Saba

Since pre-Islamic times, the term “Saba’iya” used to indicate those related
to Saba son of Yashjub, son of Ya’rub, son of Qahtan; synonymous to
“Qahtaniya”, also used to be known as “Yamaniya” referencing their place of
origin, Yemen.

This group of people (i.e., Saba’iya/Qahtaniya/Yamaniya) in contrast to the
“Adnaniya”, “Nazariya” and “Mudhariya”, which used to refer to relation to
Mudhar son of Nazar, son of Adnan, from the sons of Ishmael (AS) the son of
Abraham (AS). There were some allies for each tribe who were under
protection of that tribe, and at times they were referred by the name of
that tribe.

In general, Arabs trace their roots to one of these two major tribes. When
the two tribes joined in Medina to create what became the first Islamic
society led by the Prophet(PBUH&HF) (year 0 AH), those related to Qahtan
were named al-Ansar (Helpers) who were the residents of Medina at that
time; and those from Adnan and their allies who traveled to Medina and were
called al-Muhajireen (Immigrants).

The personality Abdullah bin Wahab al-Saba’i, the first leader of al-
Khawarij (the group which opposed Ali (AS) during his rule), was from the
first tribe, the Saba’iya or Qhatan above. As the friction increased
between the two tribes of Adnan and Qahtan in Medina and Kufa, the Adhanies
reportedly used to nickname the Qhantanies by the term Saba’iya. However,
this name-calling was purely tribal and ethnical until the appearance of
the work of Sayf Ibn Umar (of Adnan) in the beginning of the second century
(AH) during the Umayad rule, in Kufa. Sayf took the advantage of this
purely tribal friction and created the mythical Saba’iya religious entity,
with Abdullah Ibn Saba as its leader, altering the meaning of the tribal
reference to Qahtan to that of the ill inference attributed to Abdullah Ibn
Saba’s deviant sect.

To come up with the alleged name of the creator of the sect (Abdullah Ibn
Saba), Sayf Ibn Umar either transposed the name Abdullah (bin Wahab) al-
Saba’i, described above, to Abdullah Ibn Saba as appears from reports by al-
Ash’ari, al-Sama’ani and al-Maqrizi; or he created the story and invented
the name on his own altogether. Either way, there was no strong proof for
the existence to Abdullah Ibn Saba during the time of Uthman and Ali,
except as Abdullah bin Wahab al-Saba’i who was the leader of Khawarij, as
mentioned earlier.

One also finds that “Saba’i” tag in persons’ names, who belong to the
tribes of Qahtan, ceased especially in Iraq, the origin of the fairy tale,
after that date. This naming convention then continued throughout the
second and third century (AH) in the areas of Yemen, Egypt and Spain, where
a number of Sunni Hadith narrators (including some of the narrators of the
traditions in six Sunni collections) were labeled Saba’i due to their
relation to Saba Ibn Yashjub and not Abdullah Ibn Saba the Jew who created
disturbance per Sayf’s allegations.

Later as the books of the Tabari and others spread the fairy tale across
the land, the naming convention of Saba’i was dropped every where. Whence
this mention in the books is used to indicate a following to Abdullah Ibn
Saba alone, even though they never enjoyed existence outside the covers of
those books. The tale evolved over the years to include a multiple of its
creator’s persona and beliefs. At the same time, while Abdullah Ibn Saba
was Ibn al-Sawda’ to the inventor of the tale (Sayf), you find them
becoming two separate persons around the 5th century, along with the
variation in their news (see “al-Farq” by Abdul-Qahir Ibn Tahir al-
Baghdadi). We can delimit these variations in the fifth century onwards,
in three personalites:

  1. Abdullah bin Wahab al-Saba’i, head of the Khawarij, who opposed Imam
    Ali (AS).

  2. Abdullah Ibn Saba who established the Saba’iya clan/group which
    believes in the deity of Ali. He and his followers were burnt with fire
    shortly after.

  3. Abdullah Ibn Saba, also known as Ibn al-Sawda’ to those who reported
    from Sayf. He was the creator of the Saba’iya clan/group who believed
    in successorship to Ali, who agitated against Uthman and then they
    started the war of Jamal (Camel).

The first one existed in reality, and some of the traditions related to
Abdullah Ibn Saba actually refers to this man who was the leader of al-
Khawarij. For the second person, there are few traditions which was
mentioned earlier, yet they were not authenticated by either schools.
The third personage, however, was the imagination of Sayf who perhaps
invented it based on the original story he heard about the first and the
second persons, and then attaching his own story to them.

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Ibn Saba and Shia

One should distinguish between those Sunnis scholars who reported the story
of Abdullah Ibn Saba (either from Sayf’s mass production (such as al-
Tabari)
or otherwise (such as Ibn Hajar)), and those pseudo-Sunnis who not only
reported it, but also declared that Shia are the followers of this
fictitious character. It has been proven that those pseudo-scholars (i.e.,
the second group) who attributed the foundation of Shia to Abdullah Ibn
Saba were never Sunnis. They were rather the followers of Sunnah of the
House of Abu Sufyan and Marwan. This is clear when one observes their
tendencies to these two families when they discuss their history.

When these pseudo-scholars want to talk about Imami Shia, they use the word
of al-Saba’iyyah to undermine the devotion of the followers of the Members
of the House of Prophet (PBUH&HF) to Islam, in the same way that they
undermine the devotion of a group of Muslims who were killed in the reign
of Abu Bakr since they followed what the Messenger of Allah ordered them in
distributing the Zakat (alms) among their own poor people and thus did not
give it to Abu Bakr. Yet these mercenary scholars, when talking about those
people, they mix them with the issue of Musaylamah who claimed Prophethood,
and attribute these martyrs to him, in order to justify shedding their
bloods, plundering their wealth and taking their women. But Allah will soon
judge between us and them, for He is the best judge.

Such blending of falsehood and truth is not anything new for us when we see
in today’s world of technology those who see Islam a barrier for their
illegitimate interest in the world, accuse Muslims of terrorism, in order
to justify shedding their bloods and taking their wealth. To prepare their
agenda, they take advantage of some foolish individual(s) who happened to
be Muslim in ID, and who did a violation out of his/their anger. They call
devoted Muslims terrorists because a pseudo-Sunni-Muslim blew up the World
Trade Center. By that, they follow exactly the footsteps of Sayf Ibn Umar
who in turn learnt this great idea from the devil. Moreover, if they could
not find any foolish act from Muslims to cover the media at any period,
they pay money to emulate it artificially, and attribute it to the Muslims,
much the same way that Sayf Ibn Umar shaped the character of Abdullah Ibn
Saba (and most probably invented him by picking up his name at the middle
of the night). They do this to provide an excuse for their malicious
accusations and their attacks to the whole Muslim world, much the same as
what Sayf and his disciples did to the House of Prophet (PBUH&HF).

According to both Shia and Sunni scholars, Sayf Ibn Umar was one of those
who manipulated the truth and made some fake traditions based on some
partial truth. Believing in the existence of Ibn Saba does not mean
believing in the stories of Sayf who tried to relate him to Shia. The fact
is that people like Abdullah Ibn Saba are useless without a story attached
to their names. Fake stories around such characters are different than
their
actual existence. Such a person might be existent while the stories around
him might not be.

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Sayf’s Achievements: An Overview

What follows in this article and the next parts of this series is a
comparison between Sayf’s stories and others. First I give a general view
of achievements of Sayf Ibn Umar:

Sayf was paid to write some stories as a relief for the contradictions and
disputes happened in the early history of Islam. Those critical disputes
were from year 11 AH (demise of Prophet) till 40 AH. Sayf only focused on
that period (11-40 AH) and left the rest.

The first dispute he has talked about is the dispute related the dispatch
of the army of Usamah and the death of prophet. The Prophet (PBUH&HF),
about four days before his death, ordered all Helpers and all Immigrants
except Ali to leave Medina, and to go Syria in order to fight with the
Romans. But companions disobeyed and complained about the leadership of
Usamah (See Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions
numbers 5.552, 5.744 and 5.745) and delayed in joining the camp, and
finally
returned to Medina, in order to prepare themselves for discussion about
successorship as soon as the Messenger of Allah dies. Sayf tried to forge
the story to show that there was no delay. Sayf said that after the death
of Prophet, when Abu Bakr dispatched the army of Usamah, he said to them:

 "March on! May God destroy you by murder and plague!"

Sunni references: History of al-Tabari and History of Ibn Asakir, reported
from Sayf, Events of Year 11 AH

This is while other narrators never mentioned such a stupid thing from Abu
Bakr. Sayf being a heretic, wanted to make a mockery of Islam as a
religion, as well as to please the Caliph of his time.

The next thing he has talked, is about the pavilion of Saqifa. Sayf
reported that:

 "Ali was in his house when he was told that Abu Bakr had sat to
 receive the oath of allegiance. So He went out immediately wearing his
 night shirt only, out of dislike that he might be late. Then He gave
 the oath of allegiance and sat with Abu Bakr, and then sent for his
 clothes. When (the clothes) were brought to him, he put them and
 stayed in (Abu Bakr's) assembly."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v9, pp 195-196
reported from Sayf Ibn Umar.

This ridiculous report is in clear contradiction with Sahih al-Bukhari
where it has been mentioned that Imam Ali did NOT give the oath to Abu Bakr
for the first six month of his reign (Sahih al- Bukhari, Arabic-English
version, Tradition 5.546).

Sayf has told seven stories about Saqifa, and has used three imaginary
characters as the companions of prophet who played his scenarios in Saqifa,
whose names are not mentioned anywhere else except in the work of those who
reported from Sayf himself. He named them: Qa’qa, Mubashshir, and Sakhr.

His main legend is the malicious stories attributed to Abdullah Ibn Saba,
by which he had tried to solved the following puzzles:

   -Creation of Shia
   -Problem of exile of Abu Dhar
   -Murder of Uthman
   -The War of Jamal (Camel)

Sayf has also maliciously tried to link the forged stories of Abdullah Ibn
Saba to the Shia Imam Ali (AS) which shows he did not know too much about
Shia, otherwise he would not had attributed some of the beliefs which are
not held by the followers of the members of the house of Prophet.

Insha Allah, in the next parts, I will analyze the fictitious story of
Abdullah Ibn Saba in comparison with the other Sunni reports.

I should mention that al-Askari had a very distinguished achievement. He
proved beyond any doubt, in his book named “Abdullah Ibn Saba and Other
Myths”, that Ibn Saba with such achievements never existed, and that he
was invented by Sayf Ibn Umar. If there was any Abdullah Ibn Saba at that
time, his story was much different than what Sayf manipulated.

For brothers and sisters who like to know more about the business of
Abdullah Ibn Saba and his fictitious character, I introduce the following
two interesting books, in English, which can be ordered immediately:

1- “Abdullah Ibn Saba and Other Myths,” (English) by al-Askari, S. M.
To order, send $15.00 to:
al-Khoei Foundation Library,
89-89 Van Wyck Expressway,
Jamaica, NY 11435-4123 U.S.A.

Unfortunately only first volume, out of four volumes of this book is
available in English which still gives enough information, however the rest
are available in Arabic. The second two volumes in Arabic are separately
named “One Hundred Fifty Companions”.

2- “The Shiites Under Attack,” (English) by Chirri, M. J.
To order, send $8.00 to:
Muhammad Javad Chirri,
The Islamic Center of America,
15571 Joy Road,
Detroit, MI 48228 U.S.A.

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Continuing the expose

                  Abdullah Ibn Saba (Part II)

After an overview in the previous part, I will Ensha Allah analyze the
fictitious story of Abdullah Ibn Saba reported by Sayf, in comparison with
the other Sunni reports. First I give a brief tour of the allegations of
Sayf Ibn Umar attributed to Abdullah Ibn Saba:

Sayf alleged that a Yemenite Jew, called Abdullah Ibn Saba (also known as
Ibn Amutus-Sawda'; son of a black slave), declared his Islam at the time of
* Uthman *. He willfully associated himself with Muslims and traveled in
their cities and towns, from Damascus to Kufa to Egypt, propagating among
Muslims that Muhammad (PBUH&HF) will be resurrected like Jesus. He also
said Ali is Prophet's executor and was deprived of his divine office by
Uthman. He provoked Abu Dhar and Ammar Ibn Yasir to agitate against Uthman
and Muawiyah. He provoked Muslims to kill Uthman since he had usurped the
seat of Ali. Sayf also alleged that Ibn Saba was the key element in the
tragedy of the battle of Camel. Let us now discuss each of the above
allegations one by one:

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The Return of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF)

Saif alleged Abdullah Ibn Saba was the one who invented the idea that
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) would return before the Day of Judgment.
Saif wrote that Ibn Saba said: If Jesus is going to come back,
Muhammad will also return because he is more important than Jesus.

Attributing the idea of al-Raj'a/al-Karra (Bodily resurrection of some
dead and returning to this word before the Day of Judgment) to
Abdullah Ibn Saba was another trick of Saif Ibn Umar to confuse
people's mind with regard to true Islamic beliefs. Had Saif studied
Quran carefully he would have seen that many verses Quran confirms the
miracle of al-Raj'a has happened in the past for some specific nations
and individuals and will also happen in the future for some people.

Although the Shia sources may not be considered as proof to the Sunnis
in general, yet in many of our Hadiths, the Ahlul-Bayt (AS) proved the
issue of al-Raj'a by Quran. Their logical conclusions from the Quranic
verses are quite interesting and can be presented as proof for all
Muslims since we all believe in the same Quran. As such, I am quoting
some of the traditions of Ahlul-Bayt (AS) below by classifying them
into three categories:

I) Those which point to Quranic verses about return in the past.
II) Those which point to Quranic verses about return in the future.
III) Those which point to Quranic verses about returning the Messenger
of Allah (PBUH&HF) and other Prophets.

I) Quran Speaks: Return in the Past
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
al-Asbagh Ibn Nabata narrated that Abdullah Ibn Abi Bakr al-Yashkari
(also known as Ibn al-Kawwaa who was one of al-Khawarij) asked the
Leader of Faithful (AS) about the possibility of returning to this
world after death. Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS) replied:

 ... Don't you know that Allah, to Whom belong Might and Majesty,
 said in His Book, "And Moses chose out of his people seventy men
 for Our appointment (7:155)," ... and when they said to Moses
 (AS): "we will not believe in you until we see Allah manifestly
 (2:55)," and Allah said "so the thunderbolt overtook you while you
 were watching. Then We raised you up after your death that you
 may be grateful. (2:55-56)" Don't you see O' Ibn al-Kawwaa that
 they indeed returned to their homes after they died? Isn't it
 that (after the above verse) Allah informed in his book "And We
 made the clouds to give shade over you and We sent to you manna
 and quails (2:57)" Thus this was after they died and when Allah
 raised them again.

 And similar to that, O' Ibn al-Kawwaa, for some people from the
 Children of Israel about whom Allah said: "Have you not
 considered those who went forth from their homes, for fear of
 death, and they were thousands, then Allah said to them, Die, and
 then He again gave them life (2:243)"

 And also saying of Allah, to Whom belong Might and Majesty, about
 Uzair where (Allah) said: "Or the like of him (Uzair) who passed
 by a town, and it had fallen down upon its roofs; he said: How
 shall Allah give it life after its death? So Allah caused him to
 die for a hundred years, then raised him to life. He said: How
 long have you tarried? He said: I have tarried a day, or a part
 of a day. Said He: Nay! You have tarried a hundred years (2:259)"
 So do not cast doubt, O' Ibn al-Kawwaa, on the power of Allah, to
 Whom belong Might and Majesty. (al-Bihar, v53, p72, Hadith #72)

There are other verses of Quran about return in the past, including
but not limited to: 2:260, 3:49, 8:26, 16:38-41, 18:18-19, 18:42,
which I skip for the sake of brevity.

II) Quran Speaks: Return in the Future
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The numerous verses of Quran indeed have pointers to a period in the
future of the world that some top believers and top disbelievers of
each era will return to this world. This phenomenon is called in the
language of Quran and Hadith is called al-Raj'a/al-Karra. This happens
at the time of the rising of Imam al-Mahdi (AS) who he will get
revenge from all tyrants throughout the history and will implement the
government of Justice, and when the righteous will rule over the
entire universe (not just this Earth). Let us study some of the verses
of Quran in this regard through the words of Ahlul-Bayt (AS). Abu
Basir narrated:

 I asked Imam al-Sadiq (AS) about the verse: "And on the day when
 We will gather from every nation a group (27:83)" He (AS) said:
 "What do people say about it?" I said: "They say it is in the Day
 of Judgment." Thereupon Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "Do you think
 Allah will gather from every nation only a group, and leave the
 rest? Verily this verse is about al-Raj'a. On the other hand, the
 verse related to the Day of Judgment is: 'and We shall gather
 them together and shall not leave out anyone. (18:47)'" (Tafsir
 Ali Ibn Ibrahim, as quoted in al-Bihar, v53, p51, Hadith #27)

 Also, on the commentary of the verses: "And on the day when We
 will gather from every nation a group from among those who
 rejected Our Signs, then they shall be set in arrays. Until when
 they come, He will say: Did you reject my signs while you could
 not encompass them in knowledge? Or what was it that you did?
 (27:83-84)" Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "The Signs are the Leader of
 Faithful and the Imams (after him)... and this is about al-Raj'a"
 (Tafsir Ali Ibn Ibrahim, as quoted in al-Bihar, v53, p53, Hadith
 #30)

Muhammad Ibn Muslim as well as Abu Basir narrated:

 On the commentary of verse: "And (We) have made binding on the
 society which We destroyed that they shall not return. (21:95)"
 Imam al-Baqir (AS) and Imam al-Sadiq (AS) both said: "Every
 society that Allah has destroyed by punishment do not return in
 al-Raj'a. Thus this verse is one of the greatest signs for al-
 Raj'a since no one among the People of Islam denies that all
 people return in the Day of Judgment whether they are destroyed
 by punishment or not. Therefore His saying 'they shall not
 return' points to al-Raj'a (returning to the world). This is
 while they shall return to the Day of Judgment in order to enter
 the Fire." (Tafsir Ali Ibn Ibrahim, as quoted in al-Bihar, v53,
 p52, Hadith #29)

Also on the commentary of verse "O Lord! Thou caused us die twice, and
Thou hast given (back) to us life twice, so we do confess our faults;
is there then a way to get out? (40:11)" it is narrated from Imam al-
Baqir (AS) who said:

 "This is exclusive to those (Kuffar) who return to this world
 after death, and this is their (statement) in the Day of Judgment
 (after the second rising). So, far removed (from mercy) the
 wrongdoing folk." (al-Bihar, v53, p116, Hadith #139. Similar
 narratives are given from Imam al-Sadiq (AS) and Imam al-Ridha
 (AS). See al-Bihar, v53, p56, Hadith #36 and also p144)

According to the above verse, in the Day of Judgment the Kuffar who
had died twice would be asking a third chance in order to repent for
their sins. Note especially in the above verse that death has been
mentioned before life. So this giving life means rising after death.
There are two deaths for those people and after each death they will
be brought back to life. In other words, after they die in this world,
they will return to this world (al-Raj'a) and then will die again, and
thereafter they will be resurrected in the Day of Judgment.

Also on the commentary of the verse "And most certainly We shall make
them taste of the nearer punishment before the greater punishment
(32:21)," Mufadhdhal Ibn Umar narrated:

 Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "The 'nearer punishment' is the
 punishment of al-Raj'a (i.e., when they return to this world).
 And the 'greater punishment' is the punishment of the Day of
 Judgment about which (Allah said) 'On the day when the earth
 shall be changed into a different earth, and the heavens (as
 well), and they shall come forth before Allah, the One, the
 Supreme (14:48).'" (al-Bihar, v53, p24)

Moreover, on the commentary of the verse: "And surely for those who
are unjust there shall be a punishment before that, but most of them
do not know. (52:47)" It is narrated that:

 Imam al-Baqir said: "And surely for those who are unjust with
 regard to the right of family of Muhammad (PBUH&HF) there shall
 be a punishment before that (i.e., before the Day of Judgment)
 though most people do not know, and this refers to the punishment
 in al-Raj'a." (al-Bihar, v53, p117, Hadith #144)

Further, on the commentary of the verses: "Nay! You shall soon know.
Thereafter nay! You shall soon know. (102:3-4)" Abdullah Ibn Najih
narrated that:

 Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "The first instance refers to al-Karra
 (return to this world) and the second instance refers to the Day
 of Judgment." (al-Bihar, v53, p120, Hadith #156)

Muhammad Ibn Abdullah al-Husain narrated:

 My father asked Imam al-Sadiq (AS): "What do you say about al-
 Karra (return)?" He (AS) said: "I say what Allah, to Whom belong
 Might and Majesty, said and sent its interpretation to the
 Messenger of Allah... Allah, to Whom belong Might and Majesty,
 said: 'They say: That is then a return with loss (79:12).' This
 when they will return to this world (and will be punished) while
 the revenge from them would not expire (i.e., it is a return with
 loss since their punishment in this world will not suffice their
 punishment in the hereafter)." (al-Bihar, v53, p46, Hadith #17)

Zurara narrated:

 I asked Imam al-Baqir (AS) if death and being slain are the same.
 The Imam replied: "Allah has differentiated between dying and
 getting killed in Quran. Then He (AS) recited 'Then if he dies or
 is slain (3:144)' and 'And if indeed you die or you are slain,
 certainly to Allah shall you be gathered together (3:158)' ...
 and also 'Surely Allah has bought from the believers their
 persons and their property for that they shall have the garden;
 they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain, a promise
 on this which is the truth (9:111)' and also 'Every soul will
 taste the death (21:35).' Don't you see that the one who is
 killed (by weapon) does not taste the death? He who is killed by
 sword is not like the one dies in bed. Thus (concluding the above
 verses) whoever (among believers) is killed should return to this
 world till he die (natural death)" (al-Bihar, v53, p65, Hadith
 #58)

The above-mentioned verse (9:111) (that is 'Surely Allah has bought
from the believers their persons and their property for that they
shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are
slain, a promise on this which is the truth') proves that ALL true
believers will be killed and this is Allah's promise. Allah states
they kill and will be killed. Those among true believers who die
natural death will rise again and join the army of Imam al-Mahdi (AS)
and will be killed during in the holy war. On the other hand, those
among believers who were killed will rise and live in the government
of justice till they die natural death. This fact has been mentioned
in many other Hadiths including the following:

 Abdurrahman Ibn Qasir narrated that Imam al-Baqir (AS) recited
 the verse: "Surely Allah has bought from the believers their
 persons... (9:111)" and then said: "Do you know what it means?"
 He (AS) then continued: "Anyone among the believers who was
 killed will be resurrected till he dies, and anyone among them
 who was died will be resurrected till he is killed. And this is
 the power of Allah, so do not deny it." (al-Bihar, v53, p74,
 Hadith #73; also in Rijal al-Najashi) In another Hadith, Imam al-
 Baqir (AS) said: "For every believer there is a death and
 martyrdom." (al-Bihar, v53, p64, Hadith #55) Also about the
 verse: "And on the day when We will gather from every nation a
 group" Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "There shall not remain any
 killed believer but he shall return till he dies. And no one
 return but absolute believers and absolute disbelievers (i.e.,
 only believers and disbelievers of highest degree)" (al-Bihar,
 v53, p53, Hadith #30)

Himran Ibn A'ayun narrated:

 I asked Abu Ja'far (AS): "Is there anything in what happened to
 the Children of Israel that would not happen to our nation?" He
 (AS) said: "No." Then I asked: "So tell me about the saying of
 Allah (on the Children of Israel): 'Have you not considered those
 who went forth from their homes, for fear of death, and they were
 thousands, then Allah said to them, Die, and then He again gave
 them life (2:243)' Were they brought to this world again after
 they died?" The Imam (AS) said: "In fact, (Allah) returned them
 to this world till they stayed another period and eat food and
 married women and remained here to the extent Allah wished, and
 then they died (again) on their appointed time." (Muntakhab al-
 Basa'ir, as quoted in al-Bihar, v53, p74, Hadith #74)

Al-Hasan Ibn Jahm narrated:

 Al-Ma'mun asked Imam al-Ridha (AS): "O' Abul Hasan! What do you
 say about al-Raj'a?" The Imam (AS) replied: "It is truth. Verily
 it had been in the ancient nations and Quran has spoken about it,
 and verily the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: 'There shall be
 for this nation all what had been for the previous nations like
 the similarity of two pair of shoes." (Uyun Akhbar al-Ridha (AS),
 as quoted in al-Bihar, v53, and p59, Hadith #45)

Rafa'a Ibn Musa narrated:

 Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "The first (groups) who shall return to
 this world is al-Husain Ibn Ali (AS) and his companions and Yazid
 Ibn Mu'awiya (LA) and his companions, and they will fight and
 kill them one by one (in the same order). Then Imam al-Sadiq (AS)
 recited the verse: ''Then We returned for you in a new turn to     
 prevail against them, and aided you with wealth and children and 
 made you the most numerous. (17:6)'" (al-Rijal al-Najashi, as
 quoted in al-Bihar, v53, p76, Hadith #78)

In this connection, al-Mu'alli Ibn Khunais narrated:

 Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said: "The first one who shall return to this
 world (at the time of al-Mahdi (AS)) is al-Husain Ibn Ali (AS)
 who rules until his eyebrow falls over his eyes due to his old
 age." (al-Bihar, v53, p46, Hadith #19 quoted from Muntakhab al-
 Basa'ir; Similar traditions can be found in Tafsir Ali Ibn
 Ibrahim al-Qummi, Rijal al-Kashshi, and Tafsir al-Nu'mani)

III) Quran Speaks: Return of the Prophet (PBUH&HF)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In the previous part we provided many verses of Quran concerning the
fact that most perfect believers will return to this world at the end
of the world. This naturally follows that the Prophets, peace be upon
them, should be among them. In this part, we specifically focus on the
verses that point to return of all Prophets as well as those related
to the return of Prophet (PBUH&HF) Muhammad and his Ahlul-Bayt (AS).

Jamil Ibn Darraj narrated:

 I asked Imam al-Sadiq (AS) about the verse: "Most surely We help
 Our apostles, and those who believe, in the life of this world
 and on the day when the witnesses shall stand (40:51)" The Imam
 (AS) said: "By Allah, this happens in al-Raj'a. Don't you know
 that many of Allah's Prophets were not helped in this world and
 were killed, and the Imams (i.e., the believers mentioned in the
 verse) after them were also killed and were not helped? Thus this
 (help) will happen in al-Raj'a." I also asked about the verses:
 "And listen on the day when the caller shall call from a near
 place. The day when they shall truly hear the cry; that is the
 day of rising (50:41-42)." The Imam (AS) replied: "This is al-
 Raj'a." (al-Bihar, v53, p65, Hadith #57)

Asim Ibn Hamid narrated from Imam al-Baqir (AS) who said:

 The Leader of Faithful (Ali), peace be upon him said: "Verily
 Allah, the most High, the One, was alone in His oneness, then He
 spoke one word, thereupon it became light and then He created
 from that light Muhammad (PBUH&HF) and created me and my progeny,
 ... and while there was no sun, no moon, no night, and no day we
 were glorifying Him and were praising Him, and this was before He
 create the creatures and take covenant from the Prophets for
 faith and aiding us. And this is the saying of Allah: 'And when
 Allah took a covenant from the prophets: Certainly for what I
 have given you of Book and wisdom when an apostle comes to you
 verifying that which is with you, that you must believe in him,
 and you must aid him. (3:81)'" Then the Imam (AS) continued:
 "This means you (i.e., Prophets) must believe in Muhammad
 (PBUH&HF) and you must aid his executor. And they all will soon
 aid his (executor). Allah took the oath for me along with
 Muhammad (PBUH&HF) for aiding one another.  Most cirtainly, I
 aided Muhammad (PBUH&HF) and made Jihad along with him and killed
 his enemies and fulfilled Allah's promise while no one among the
 Prophets and Messengers aided me. But they will soon aid me and I
 hold whatever between the East and the West. And verily Allah
 shall raise alive from Adam (AS) to Muhammad (PBUH&HF) all the
 sent Prophets, and they fight along with me and along with all
 (other) notable dead and alive (believers). How amazing and how
 astonishing shall be the dead whom Allah shall raise alive group
 by group while they shall be uttering 'Labbaik Labbaik O the
 Caller of Allah' holding their weapons over their shoulders by
 which they shall hit notable disbelievers and the tyrants and
 their followers from among the oppressors of the first to the
 last generations till Allah fulfill what he has promised them in
 His saying: 'Allah has promised to those of you who believe and
 do good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth
 as He made rulers before them, and that He will most certainly
 establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them,
 and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them
 security in exchange; they worship Me, not associate anything
 with Me (24:55).' This means they worship Me in security without
 fearing from any one and without any dissimulation." (al-Bihar,
 v53, p46, Hadith #20)

On the commentary of verse: "He is the One Who sent His Apostle with
guidance and the religion of truth in order to prevail over all
religions, even though the polytheists may be averse. (9:33)," al-
Mufadhdhal Ibn Umar narrated:

 I asked Imam al-Sadiq (AS): "Didn't the Messenger of Allah
 (PBUH&HF) prevail over all religions?" He (AS) replied: "O
 Mufadhdhal! If the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) had prevailed
 over all religions, there wouldn't have been any Magi, Jew, or
 Christian, or any sect, disagreement, and doubt, or any
 polytheism and idol. Verily, His saying 'in order to prevail over
 all religions' is in the time of al-Mahdi during the al-Raj'a,
 and this is His saying: 'And fight them until there is no more
 trouble and till religion is only for Allah (8:39).'" (al-Bihar,
 v53, p33)

Salih Ibn Maitham narrated:

 On the commentary of "And We have not sent you but to ALL mankind
 as a bearer of good news and as a warner, but most men do not
 know. (34:28)" Imam al-Baqir (AS0 said: "There shall not remain
 any place on the Earth but in it (people) give testimony to
 'there is no god but Allah and Muhammad (PBUH&HF) is the
 Messenger of Allah'" and he (AS) pointed by his hand to the
 horizons. (al-Bihar, v53, p113, Hadith #138-15)

Abu Khalid al-Kabuli (RA) narrated:

 On the verse "Certainly the one who sent the Quran to you, shall
 return you to the returning (place) (28:85)," Imam Ali Ibn al-
 Husain (AS) said: "Your Prophet (PBUH&HF) shall return to you."
 (al-Bihar, v53, p56, Hadith #33, also p46, Hadith #19)

Abu Marwan narrated:

 I asked Imam al-Sadiq (AS) about the verse "Certainly the one who
 sent the Quran to you, shall return you to the returning (place)
 (28:85)." The Imam (AS) replied: "No by Allah! The world does not
 end till the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) and Ali (AS) come
 together in al-Thawiyya and meet each other and build a Mosque
 with 12000 entrance in al-Thawiyya, a place in al-Kufa." (al-
 Bihar, v53, p113, Hadith #138-17)

The Sunnis and the Idea of al-Raj'a
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quran aside, we have no Hadith from the Sunnis to support the idea of
al-Raj'a, except probably for the case of return of Prophet Jesus
(AS). To disclaim the idea that the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt will finally
have rule on the Earth without any rival, and to make contrast between
the beliefs, the Sunni traditionists and commentators have suppressed
any Hadith that could imply the issue of al-Raj'a. Wherever they found
any narrator who has narrated a tradition implying al-Raj'a, they have
accused him of being Shia and extremist. They also interpreted the
verses of al-Raj'a/al-Karra in Quran to the Day of Judgment, though we
have already seen from the words of Ahlul-Bayt (AS) (who are the most
and only qualified individuals to interpret Quran) that this would
require believing in contradiction and non-sense.

The Sunnis discredit the notion of al-Raj'a as being a kind of
transmigration of the soul. They have not, or choose not to
differentiated between transmigration and bodily resurrection. The
meaning of transmigration is that the soul moves into another body,
and this is not the same as bodily resurrection. The meaning of the
latter is that the soul returns to the same body with all its
individual characteristics; and al-Raj'a is the same as this. If al-
Raj'a were a kind of transmigration, the restoring to life by Jesus
(AS) must also be transmigration, and the Resurrection in the Day of
Judgment would be like that as well, which we know it is not true.

The same evidence that proves the possibility of resurrection will
also prove the possibility of al-Raj'a. There is no reason for
amazement, except in that it is unusual for us and we are not
accustomed to such things in the life of this world. But we know of no
cause or impossibility that would bring us near to refutation of al-
Raj'a, except that human imagination does not find it easy to accept
what is extraordinary. So there is no more reason to refute it than
there is to refute resurrection. Allah states in Quran:

 He said: Who will revive these bones when they have rotted away.
 Say: He will revive them Who brought them into existence in the
 first place, and He is Cognizant of all Creation. (36:78-79)

Those who belittle the idea of Raj'a of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and
mock the followers of Ahlul-Bayt (AS) for their belief, should also
know that their master Umar was one of those who claim a similar idea
according to the historical evidences. Muslim historians agree that:

 Umar stood at the Mosque of the Prophet when the Prophet passed
 away, and said: "There are hypocrites who allege that the
 Messenger of God has died. Certainly the Messenger of God did not
 die, but he went to his Lord, as Moses, son of Imran, went to his
 Lord (for receiving the heavenly commandments). By God, Muhammad
 will return as Moses returned, and he shall cut off the hands and
 legs of those who alleged that the Messenger of Allah has died."

Sunni Reference: al-Sira al-Nabawiyya, by Ibn Hisham, v2, p655

Although Umar's motives in this regard was different and his opinion
was not completely identical to the notion of al-Raj'a, yet we can not
say that Umar took this idea from Abdullah Ibn Saba. Ibn Saba did not
exist at that time, not even in the imagination of Saif Ibn Umar al-
Tamimi who invented this character. Saif wrote that Ibn Saba came to
Medina and became Muslim during the reign of Uthman, which is far
after the death of Prophet (PBUH&HF).


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The Doctrine of Ali's Executorship

Sayf further alleged that Ibn Saba is the one who propagated the idea that
Ali Ibn Abi Talib is the executor and the successor of the Messenger of
God. He said that there were a thousand prophets before Muhammad, each of
which had an executor after him, and that Ali is the executor of the
Prophet. Furthermore, Sayf alleged that Ibn Saba said that the three
caliphs who ruled after the Prophet were usurpers of the Islamic rule.

Sayf and his disciples forgot that they mentioned in their fiction that
Abdullah Ibn Saba came to Medina and adopted Islam during the reign of
Uthman. This is long after the death of the Messenger of Allah. On the
other hand, Sunni history testifies that the Messenger of God himself is
the one who declared that Ali would be his executor right at the beginning
of his mission
. Here is the tradition concerning the first open preach the
prophet (PBUH&HF):

 Ali (AS) narrated: When the verse: "And warn your closest tribe" was
 revealed, the Messenger of God called me and said:" Ali, certainly
 Allah commanded me to warn my closest tribe, and I feel the difficulty
 of this mission. I know that when I confront them with this warning, I
 will not like their response." Then Prophet invited the members of his
 clan to dine with him on a small amount of food and little milk. There
 were forty of them. After they ate, the Prophet spoke to them:

 "O Children of Abdul Muttalib, by God, I do not know of any young man
 from the Arabs who brought to his people better than I brought to you.
 I have brought to you the goodness of this world and the Hereafter.
 The Almighty commanded me to invite you to it. Who among you will
 assist me on this mission and become my brother, my executor, and
 my successor?"

 No one accepted the invitation, and I said: "O Messenger of God, I
 shall be your assistant." He held my neck and said to them: "This
 is my brother, my executor (Wasi), my successor (Caliph) among you.
 So listen to him and obey him."  They laughed, saying to Abu Talib:
 He (Muhammad) commanded you to listen to your son and to obey him.

Sunni References:
(1) History of Tabari, English version, v6, pp 88-92 (two traditions)
(2) History of Ibn Athir, v2, p62
(3) History of Ibn Asakir, v1, p85
(4) Durr al-Manthur, by al-Suyuti, v5, p97
(5) al-Sirah al-Halabiyah, v1, p311
(6) Shawahid al-Tanzil, by al-Hasakani, v1, p371
(7) Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, p15, pp 100-117
(8) Tafsir al-Khazin, by Ala-ud-Din al-Shafi'i, v3, p371
(9) Dala'il al-Nabawiyah, by al-Baihaqi, v1, pp 428-430
(10) al-Mukhtasar, by Abul Fida, v1, pp 116-117
(11) Life of Muhammad, by Hasan Haykal, p104 (First Edition only. In the
second edition the last sentence of Prophet (PBUH) has been removed.)
(12) Tahdhib al-Athar, v4, pp 62-63.

The above tradition was also reported by important Sunni figures such as
Muhammad Ibn Is'haq (who is the most celebrated Sunni historian), Ibn Abi
Hatem, and Ibn Mardawayh. It is also recorded by orientalists such as T.
Carlyle, E. Gibbon, J. Davenport, and W. Irving.

Here we would like ask the following question: Imam Ali reported that the
Messenger of God is the one who granted him the office of executorship,
brotherhood, and successorship. Sayf Ibn Umar reported that the idea of the
executorship of Ali had came from a Jew called Abdullah Ibn Saba. We should
ask the members of the Takfeer University (who call everyone who disagree
with them unbeliever) the following question: Do you believe in Imam Ali's
report or Sayf Ibn Umar's? Sayf was accused by prominent Sunni scholars of
weakness, forgery, and heresy.

Of course, we should not expect any true Muslim to choose the report of a
liar such as Sayf Ibn Umar and to reject the report of the Imam Ali Ibn Abi
Talib, the Leader of the Faithful, the "brother" of the Prophet (PBUH&HF).
The Messenger of God used to say to Ali:

 "Your position to me is like the position of Aaron to Moses, except
 that there shall be no Prophet after me"

Sunni References:
(1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56 and 5.700
(2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, v4, pp 1870-71
(3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12
(4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174
(5) al-Khas'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16
(6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) thereby meant that as Moses had left behind Aaron to
look after his people as his Caliph when he went to receive the
Commandments, in the same way he was leaving Ali behind as his deputy to
look after the affairs of Islam after him. Allah said in Quran:

 "... And Moses said unto his brother Aaron: Take my place among my
 community." (Quran 7:142).

Notice that "Ukhlufni" and "Khalifa" (Caliph) are exactly from the same
root.

Do the mercenary writers who endeavor to spread hostility among Muslims
forget that while returning from his farewell pilgrimage, and in the
presence of over a hundred thousand pilgrims in Ghadir Khum, the Messenger
of God declared:

 "Do I not have more right over the believers than what they have over
 themselves?"  People cried and answered: "Yes, O' Messenger of God."
 Then Prophet (PBUH) held up the hand of Ali and said: "Whoever I am
 his leader, Ali is his leader. O' God, love those who love him, and be
 hostile to those who are hostile to him."

Some of Sunni References:
(1) Sahih Tirmidhi, v2, p298, v5, p63
(2) Sunan Ibn Maja, v1, pp 12,43
(3) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 84,118,119,152,330, v4, pp 281,368,370,
372,378, v5, pp 35,347,358,361,366,419 (from 40 chains of narrators!!!)
(4) Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Hanbal, v2, pp 563,572
(5) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p129, v3, pp 109-110,116,371
(6) Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 4,21
(7) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, p103 (from several transmitters)
(8) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v12, pp 49-50
(9) al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Hafiz Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v3, p19
(10) Tarikh al-Khulafa, by al-Suyuti, pp 169,173
(11) al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v3, p213, v5, p208
(12) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, pp 307-308
(13) Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, v1, part 3, p144
(14) Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, p26
(15) al-Isabah, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v2, p509; v1, part1, p319,
v2, part1, p57, v3, part1, p29, v4, part 1, pp 14,16,143
(16) Tabarani, who narrated from companions such as Ibn Umar, Malik Ibn
al-Hawirath, Habashi Ibn Junadah, Jari, Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas,
Anas Ibn Malik, Ibn Abbas, Amarah,Buraydah,...
(17) Tarikh, by al-Khatib Baghdadi, v8, p290
(18) Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p23, v5, pp26-27
(19) al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, Chapter of word "ayn" (Ali), v2, p462
(20) Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, pp 154,397
(21) al-Mirqat, v5, p568
(22) al-Riyad al-Nadirah, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, v2, p172
(23) Dhaka'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, p68
(24) Fayd al-Qadir, by al-Manawi, v6, p217
(25) Usdul Ghabah, by Ibn Athir, v4, p114
(26) Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qudoozi al-Hanafi, p297
... And hundreds more...

No Muslim would ever doubt that the Messenger of God is the leader of all
Muslims for all generations. The Prophet in his statement granted Ali the
same position as his, when he said that Ali is the leader of everyone who
follows the Prophet.

This declaration which was narrated by more than one hundred and ten
companions and rated authentic (Sahih) and frequent (Mutawatir) by the
leading Sunni scholars, not only indicates that Ali is the executor of
Messenger, but also indicates that Ali takes the place of the leadership of
all Muslims after the Messenger of Allah. However, these mercenaries still
allow themselves to say that the belief that Ali was the executor of the
Messenger had come from a Jew who declared his Islam during the days of
Uthman!!!

Abdullah Ibn Saba has no base on the disputes immediately after the death
of prophet related to his successorship, and all relevant claims of Shia is
proven to be on the death of the prophet or even before that, not during
the reign of Uthman which is far long after prophet's demise. At the very
start and immediately after the death of the prophet (PBUH&HF), the Shia of
Ali included those companions who where loyal to Imam Ali, such as Ammar
Ibn Yasir, Abu-Dhar al-Ghafari, Miqdad, Salman al-Farsi, Ibn Abbas ...etc.,
all gathered in the house of Fatimah (AS). Even Talha and Zubair were loyal
to Imam Ali at the beginning and joint the others in the house of Fatimah.
al-Bukhari narrated:

 Umar said: "And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were
 informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and gathered in the shed of
 Bani Sa'da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us,

 while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr."

Sunni Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v8, Tradition #817

Other Sunni traditionists narrated that on the day of Saqifah:

 Umar said: "Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Zubair Ibn Awwam and those who were
 with them separated from us (and gathered) in the house of Fatimah,
 the daughter of the messenger of Allah."

Sunni References:
- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p55
- Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, by Ibn Hisham, v4, p309
- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, p1822
- History of Tabari, English version, v9, p192

Also:

 They demanded confirmation of the oath, but Ali and al-Zubair stayed
 away. al-Zubair drew his sword (from the scabbard), saying, "I will
 not put it back until the oath of allegiance is rendered to Ali." When
 this news reached Abu Bakr and Umar, the latter said, "Hit him with a
 stone and seize the sword." It is stated that Umar rushed (to the door
 of the House of Fatimah) and brought them forcibly while telling them
 that they must give their oath of allegiance willingly or unwillingly.

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v9, pp 188-189

Certainly that Jew did not have any role in the division of the companions
into two factions right at the death of Prophet since he was non-existent
at that time.

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Attacking Two of Most Beloved Companions of

the Prophet (PBUH&HF) and Their Disciples

Sayf alleged that Ibn Saba is the one who instigated the two prominent
companions of the Prophet Muhammad, namely Abu Dhar (RA) and Ammar Ibn
Yasir (RA), against Uthman. He said this Jew met Abu Dhar in Damascus, and
that he introduced to him the idea of prohibiting treasuring gold and
silver. Sayf included the following great companions of prophet and their
disciples, among the list of the followers of Ibn Saba:

(1) Abu Dhar (RA),
(2) Ammar Ibn Yasir (RA),
(3) Muhammad Ibn Abi Bakr (RA), son of the first Caliph,
(4) Malik Ashtar (RA).
... and more

To better understand the heresy of Sayf and his allegation, let us quickly
review the biography of the above great Muslim pioneers:

(1) Abu Dhar al-Ghafari (Jundub Ibn Jonadah): He is the THIRD person in
the list of the four pioneers who first embraced Islam. He was a
monotheist even before his conversion. He frankly declared his faith
in Islam at Mecca beside the Holy House of God. The infidels of Mecca
beat him almost to death but he survived, and on the instruction of
the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) he returned to his tribe. After the
Battles of Badr and Uhud he came to Medina and stayed with Prophet
until the demise of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). During the reign of the
early Caliphs, Abu Dhar was sent to Damascus where he could not agree
with Muawiyah. Later Muawiyah complained about Abu Dhar to Uthman, the
third Caliph, and thus Uthman sent Abu Dhar into exile at Rabadha
where he later died. Rabadha was known for having the worst climate.

(2) Ammar Ibn Yasir: He was also known as Abuyaqzan. His mother's name was
Somayyah. He and his parents were pioneers in embracing Islam, and he
was the SEVENTH person to declare his faith. His parents were executed
after the torture by the infidels of Mecca, because of their
conversion to Islam, but Ammar managed to escape to Medina. Ammar
fought on Imam Ali's side in the battle of Jamal (Camel) and later in
the war of Siffin where he was killed in the battle field by Muawiyah
soldiers, at the age of ninety-three.

(3) Muhammad Ibn Abi Bakr: He was adopted by Imam Ali after his father,
Abu Bakr, died. Muhammad was one of the commanders of the army of
Imam Ali (AS) in the battle of Camel. He was also in the battle of
Siffin. Imam Ali appointed him as the governor of Egypt, and he took
his office 15/9/37 AH. Later, Muawiyah sent an army under the
leadership of Amr Ibn al-Aas to Egypt in the year 38 AH, who fought
and captured Muhammad, and then killed him. His body was placed in a
belly of a dead donkey and then was brutally burnt. (See al-Istiab,
v1, p235; History of al-Tabari, v4, p79; Ibn Kathir, v3, p180; Ibn
Khaldoon, v2, p182)

(4) Malik Ashtar al-Nakha'i: He met the Prophet and was one of the
trustworthy disciple of companions (Tabe'in). He was chief of his
tribe, and after receiving an injury to one of his eyes in the battle
of Yarmuk, he became known as Ashtar. He was the general of the army
of Imam Ali in the battle of Siffin and known for his bravery and
combating the enemies of Islam. At the age of 38, he was appointed by
Imam Ali as the governor of Egypt. But on his way to Egypt, near the
Red Sea, he died after eating poisonous honey which had been planned
by Muawiyah.

The above were the short bibliographies of some eminent Muslim pioneers. It
is regrettable that some historians who reported from Sayf's heresy, allege
that they followed a mysterious Jew. The mercenary workers did not even
hesitate to attack such outstanding companions. They said that Abu Dhar and
Ammar Ibn Yasir met Ibn Saba, were affected by his propaganda, and thus
turned against Uthman. However, we should not forget that by their
attacking those two prominent companions, they are actually attacking the
Messenger of God who attested to their purity and righteousness frequently:

 The Messenger of God said: "Certainly Allah commanded me to love four
 persons and informed me that He loves them."  The companions asked:
 "O' Messenger of God, who are those four persons?"  The Prophet
 (PBUH&HF) said: "Ali is from them (repeating that three times),
 Abu Dhar, Salman al-Farsi, and Miqdad."

Sunni references:
- Sunan Ibn Majah, v1, pp 52-53, Tradition #149
- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p130
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p356
- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p648, Tradition #1103
- Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p172

The Messenger of Allah also said:

 "Every prophet was given by God seven righteous companions. I was
 given fourteen righteous companions".  He included in them Ali, al-
 Hasan, al-Husain, Hamza, Ja'far, Ammar Ibn Yasir, Abu Dhar, Miqdad,
 and Salman.                      

Sunni references:
- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, Traditions #109, #277
- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p329, p662
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp88,148,149 from several chain of narrators
- al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, v6, p264, p265
- Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p128

Also al-Tirmidhi, Ahmad, al-Hakim and many others narrated that the
Messenger of Allah said:

 "Heaven has not shaded, nor has the earth carried a person more
 straight forward than Abu Dhar. He walks on earth with the
 immaterialistic attitude of Jesus, the son of Mary."

Sunni reference:
- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p334, Tradition #3889
- Tahdhib al-Athar, v4, pp 158-161
- Musnad Ahmad Hanbal, #6519, #6630, #7078
- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p342
- al-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v4, part 1, pp 167-168
- Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, pp 329-330

Ibn Majah, in his authentic Sunan, narrated that Imam Ali said:

 I was sitting in the house of the Prophet and Ammar asked to see him.
 Then Prophet said: "Welcome the good and the purified."   Ibn Majah
 also narrated that Aisha narrated that the Messenger of God said
 "Whenever Ammar is given two alternatives, he always chooses the most
 righteous of the two."

There are much more authentic narrations told by the Prophet (PBUH&HF)
about Ammar, such as "Ammar is full of faith." Also Prophet said:

 "A band of rebels will kill Ammar."

Sunni references:
- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter # MCCV, pp 1508-1509,
Trditions #6966-6970 (five traditions).
- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p383

Now to see who those rebels were, look at Musnad Ahmad and Tabaqat Ibn Sa'd
who narrated:

 "In the Battle of Siffin, when the head of Ammar Yasir (RA) was cut
 off and taken to Muawiyah, two people were arguing over it, each one
 claimed that he had killed Ammar."

Sunni references:
- Musnad Ahmad (Pub. in Dar al-Maarif, Egypt 1952), Tradition #6538, #6929
- Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v3, p253

Also it is narrated that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said:

 "Paradise longs for three men, Ali, Ammar and Salman."

Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p332, Tradition #3884

Moreover al-Tirmidhi narrated:

 When the Messenger of God heard that Ammar and his parents were
 tortured in Mecca, he (PBUH&HF) said: "Members of Yasir's family, be
 patient. Your destination is paradise."

Sunni Reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p233,

Thus, Ammar and his parents were the first people declared by the Prophet
to be dwellers of paradise.

Here we should say: When a Muslim knows that the Prophet has commended
these two important companions (Abu Dhar & Ammar Ibn Yasir) so highly, and
if he is a believer in the truthfulness of Muhammad, he does not allow
himself to insult these two companions. Such an insult discredits the
Prophet. As we just saw, the above authentic traditions in the six Sunni
collections claim that Prophet said he has only four or fourteen righteous
companions, out of his 1400 companions. Interestingly enough that Abu Dhar
and Ammar Ibn Yasir were mentioned among those very few individuals.

We find that the hostility of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi, who lived during the
second century after the Prophet, and the hostility of his students towards
the Shi'ites, motivated them to spread such cheap propaganda. Sayf knew
that attributing the revolt against Uthman to the work of Ibn Saba
contradicts known historical facts which show that the two companions, Abu
Dhar and Ammar, were opposed to Uthman's ever coming to power. Because Sayf
knew of their opposition to Uthman, he tried to smear their reputations by
adding the names of the two prominent companions to the list of students of
that fictitious Jew.

If Ibn Saba ever existed, he had declared his Islam after Uthman was
killed. Now let us suppose we accept what Sayf alleged concerning that
Abdullah Ibn Saba declared his faith after Uthman came to power. Abu Dhar
and Ammar Ibn Yasir, on the other hand, had been opposed to Uthman's
caliphate before he came to power. The two companions were followers of the
Imam Ali (AS), and they firmly believed that Ali was appointed by the
Prophet to be his successor. Since this was their belief before the
appearance of Ibn Saba, the story of Sayf about their being influenced by
Ibn Saba, is unfounded and untrue.

Thus, in order to clear the third caliph from all accusations pertaining to
his ill-management of the Islamic treasury, Sayf accused the revolters
being the students of Ibn Saba. He then completed his story by adding the
two companions to the class of Ibn Saba's students, intentionally
overlooking the fact that the two companions belong to the first successful
class of the school of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). They were among the
important companions who were honored by the Prophet. In fact, Sayf was led
by his untrue story to reject the testimony of the Prophet. By this, Sayf
had disproved his whole tale.

Link:

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Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Continuing:

                  Abdullah Ibn Saba (Part III)

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Agitation Against Uthman

Sayf alleged that the main reason behind the agitation against Uthman was
Abdullah Ibn Saba. He provoked Muslims of different towns and provinces
such as Basra, Kufa, Syria, and Egypt, to rush to Medina and to kill Uthman
since he believed Uthman had occupied the seat of Ali. Sayf also alleged
that the companions inside Medina such as Talha and Zubair did not oppose
Uthman.

Similar to his other allegations, this allegation of Sayf Ibn Umar about
Abdullah Ibn Saba has NOT been reported by any other reporters. No trace of
Ibn Saba can be found on the issue of agitation against Uthman, except
through Sayf. In fact, other authorities have a totally the opposite story.

Should a reader of Islamic history be liberated from his emotion toward
or against the third Caliph, he can be assured that the call for a revolt
against Uthman did not start in Basra, Kufa, Syria, or Egypt. The weakness
of Uthman in handing the affairs of the State caused many companions to
oppose him. This naturally resulted in a power struggle among the
influential companions in Medina. Sunni historians such as al-Tabari, Ibn
Athir, and al-Baladhuri and many others provide traditions (reported by
other than Sayf) which confirm that the agitation against the Caliph
started right inside Medina by some influential individuals among the
companions. These companions were the first who asked the other companions,
resided in other cities, to join them in revolt against Uthman. Ibn Jarir
al-Tabari reported:

** When the people saw what Uthman was doing, the companions of the
      Prophet in Medina wrote to other companions who were scattered
  throughout the frontier provinces: "You have gone forth but to
 struggle in the path of Almighty God, for the sake of Muhammad's
 religion. In your absence the religion of Muhammad has been corrupted
 and forsaken. So come back to reestablish Muhammad's religion."  Thus,
 they came from every direction until they killed the Caliph (Uthman).
 **

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p184

In fact al-Tabari quoted the above paragraph form Muhammad Ibn Is'haq Ibn
Yasar al-Madani who is the most celebrated Sunni Historian and the author
of "Sirah Rasool-Allah".

History (reported by other than Sayf) testifies that those influential
people who were the key element in agitation against Uthman include Talha,
Zubair, Aisha (the mother of believers), Abdurrahman Ibn Ouf, and Amr Ibn
al-Aas.

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a) Talha

Talha Ibn Ubaydillah was one of the biggest agitator against Uthman and was
the one who plotted his murder. He then used that incident for revenge
against Ali by starting the first civil war in the history of Islam (i.e.,
the battle of Camel). I just give few paragraphs from both of al-Tabari and
Ibn Athir to prove my point. Here is the first one which is narrated by Ibn
Abbas (in some manuscripts it is Ibn Ayyash):

 I entered Uthman's presence (During the agitation against Uthman) and
 talked with him for an hour. He said: "Come Ibn Abbas/Ayyash," and he
 took me by the hand and had me listen to what the people were saying
 at his door. We heard some say, "what are you waiting for," while
 others were saying, "wait, perhaps he will repent." While the two of
 us were standing there (behind the door and listening), **Talha Ibn
 Ubaydillah passed by and said: "Where is Ibn Udays?" He was told, "He
 is over there." Ibn Udays came to (Talha) and whispered something with
 him, and then went back to his associates and said: "Do not let anyone
 go in (to the house of Uthman) to see this man or leave his house."
 Uthman said to me: "These are the orders of Talha." He continued, "O
 God! Protect me from Talha for he has provoked all these people
  against me. By God, I hope nothing will come of it, and that his own
  blood will be shed. Talha has abused me unlawfully. I heard the
   Messenger of God said: 'The blood of a Muslim is lawful in three
 cases: apostasy, adultery, and the one who kills except in legitimate
 retaliation for another.'  So why should I be killed?" **

 Ibn Abbas/Ayyash continued: I wanted to leave (the house), but they
 blocked my path until Muhammad Ibn Abi Bakr who was passing by
 requested them to let me go, and they did so.

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 199-200

The Sayf's claim is shattered into pieces when its is compared with any
other reports similar to above. The above report gives evidence to the fact
that Uthman himself knew companions like Talha were doing all this to
him, and not the personage of Abdullah Ibn Saba. Do these mercenaries claim
that they understand the situation better than the Caliph Uthman while they
were born centuries after the incident? The following report also supports
that the murder of Uthman was led by Talha, and the killers came out to
inform their leader that they took care of Uthman:

 Abzay said: I witnessed the day they went in against Uthman. They
 entered the house through an opening in the residence of Amr Ibn Hazm.
 There was a skirmishing and they got in. By God, I have not forgotten
 that Sudan Ibn Humran came out and I heard him say:**"Where is Talha
 Ibn Ubaydillah? We have killed Ibn Affan!" ** 

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p200

Uthman was besieged in Medina while Imam Ali (AS) was in Khaibar. The Imam
(AS) came to Medina and found people gathering at the residence of Talha.
Then Imam Ali (AS) went to met Uthman. Ibn Athir wrote:

 Uthman said to Ali: "You owe me my Islamic right and the right of
 brotherhood and relationship. If I have non of these rights and if I
 were in pre-Islamic era, it would be still shame for a descendants of
 Abd Munaf (of whom both Ali and Uthman are descendants) to let a man
 of Tyme (Talha) rob us of our authority."  Ali said to Uthman: "You
 shall be informed of what I do." Then Ali went to Talha's house. There
 were a lot of people there. Ali spoke to Talha saying: "Talha, what is
 this condition in which you have fallen?" Talha replied: "O' Abul
 Hasan! it is to late!"

Sunni reference: al-Kamil, by Ibn Athir, v3, p84

Tabari also reports the following conversation between Imam Ali and Talha
during the siege over Uthman:

 Ali said to Talha: "I ask you by Allah to send people away from
 (attacking) Uthman."  Talha replied: "No, by God, not until the Umayad
 voluntarily submit to what is right." (Uthman was the head of Umayad).

Reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p235

Talha even deprived Uthman of water:

 Abdurrahman Ibn al-Aswad said: "I constantly saw Ali avoiding (Uthman)
 and not acting as he formerly had. However, I know that he spoke with
 Talha when Uthman was under siege, to the effect that water skins
 should be taken to him. Ali was extremely upset (from Talha) about
 that until finally water skins were allowed to reach Uthman."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 180-181

To know why Imam Ali (AS) deserted Uthman, see the traditions close to the
end of this article.

Furthermore, the historians confirm that those who plotted his killing, did
not let the body of Uthman be buried in a Muslim Cemetery, and that he
was finally buried in a Jew Cemetery called "Hashsh Kawkab", without
washing and without a shroud. (See History of al-Tabari, English version,
v15, pp 246-250). If Jews were doing all that, they wouldn't permit to
bury him in their own Cemetery!!! After Muawiyah came to power, he joint
that Jew Cemetery to al-Baqi including the land between them. (See History
of Tabari, English version, v15, pp 246-250).

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b) Aisha

Talha was not the only collaborator against Uthman. Sunni history tells us
that his cousin, Aisha (the mother of believers), was collaborating and
campaigning against Uthman as well. The following paragraph also from the
History of al-Tabari shows the cooperation of Aisha with Talha in
overthrowing Uthman:

 While Ibn Abbas was setting out for Mecca, he found Aisha in al-Sulsul
 (seven miles south of Medina). Aisha said: "O' Ibn Abbas, I appeal to
 you by God, to abandon this man (Uthman) and sow doubt about him among
 the people, for you have been given a sharp tongue. (By the current
 siege over Uthman) people have shown their understanding, and light is
 raised to guide them.  I have seen Talha has taken the possession of
 the keys to the public treasuries and storehouses. If he becomes
 Caliph (after Uthman), he will follow the path of his parental
 cousin Abu-Bakr."   Ibn Abbas said: "O' Mother (of believers), if
 something happens to that man (i.e., Uthman), people would seek asylum
 only with our companion (namely, Ali)." Aisha replied: "Be quiet! I
 have no desire to defy or quarrel with you."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 238-239

Many Sunni historian reported that Once Aisha went to Uthman and asked for
her share of inheritance of Prophet (after so many years passed from the
death of Prophet). Uthman refrained to give Aisha any money by reminding
her that she was one those who testified and encouraged Abu-Bakr to refrain
to pay the share of inheritance of Fatimah (AS). So if Fatimah does not
have any share of inheritance, then why should she?
** Aisha became extremely angry at Uthman, and came out saying:

"Kill this old fool (Na'thal), for he is unbeliever."**

Sunni references:
- History of Ibn Athir, v3, p206
- Lisan al-Arab, v14, p141
- al-Iqd al-Farid, v4, p290
- Sharh al-Nahj, by Ibn Abi al-Hadid, v16, pp 220-223

As we can see, the main figures in plotting against Uthman are some highly
influential individuals, like Talha and Aisha. These Sunni reports are in
clear contradiction with the reports related to Abdullah Ibn Saba, which
were made up to cover up for those individuals centuries after the
incident.

Another Sunni historian, al-Baladhuri, in his history (Ansab al-Ashraf)
said that when the situation became extremely grave, Uthman ordered Marwan
Ibn al-Hakam and Abdurrahman Ibn Attab Ibn Usayd to try to persuade Aisha
to stop campaigning against him. They went to her while she was preparing
to leave for pilgrimage, and they told her:

 "We pray that you stay in Medina, and that Allah may save this man
 (Uthman) through you."  Aisha said: "I have prepared my means of
 transportation and vowed to perform the pilgrimage. By God, I shall
 not honor your request... I wish he (Uthman) was in one of my sacks so
 that I could carry him. I would then through him into the sea."

Sunni reference: Ansab al-Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, part 1, v4, p75

Certainly the revolution against Uthman * started * in Medina, and not in
Basra, Kufa, and Egypt. The prominent people of Medina are the ones who
first wrote to those outside Medina and instigated them against Uthman. To
say that a Jew, named Ibn Saba, is the one who inspired people to revolt
against the Caliph is not logical unless we accept that he was the one who
also inspired Aisha, Talha, and Zubair to revolt. But those who speak of
Ibn Saba and his role, do not include Aisha and people of her position as
the followers of Ibn Saba.

The alleged role of Ibn Saba, in the revolt against Uthman, would also be
credible if we were to say that Ibn Saba was the one who persuaded the
Caliph to follow a path contrary to the first two Caliphs, and that he was
the one who advised Uthman to give Islamic funds to his relatives and
appoint them governors of Islamic provinces.

The manner in which Uthman conducted the affairs of the Islamic states gave
Aisha, Talha, and Zubair and others, a reason to provoke Muslims against
Uthman. However those who attribute the revolution against Uthman to Ibn
Saba, do not accept that Ibn Saba was the one who advised Uthman to follow
that wrong policy. They are right, because that alleged Jew with such
achievements never existed except in the imagination of Sayf Ibn Umar
al-Tamimi and those who quoted from him. A few (less than 15) traditions
(which are not even in any authentic Sunni books nor in any reliable Shia
books) related to Abdullah Ibn Saba narrated by people other than Sayf give
a totally different story in compare with Sayf's heavy documentation which
is being distributed everywhere. These traditions do NOT mention the
presence of Ibn Saba in the revolt against Uthman.

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c) Amr Ibn al-Aas

It is amazing that such an important role in the revolution against Uthman
is attributed to a Jew for whose existence neither Shia nor Sunni have any
strong evidence. Yet historians forget the important role which was played
by a person well known in Islamic history, namely Amr Ibn al-Aas. He was
more intelligent and more clever than any Jew ever existed in that era. Amr
had all the reasons to conspire against the Caliph, and he had all the
abilities to instigate most of the people of Medina against him.

Amr Ibn al-Aas was one of the most dangerous agitators against Uthman. He
was the governor of Egypt during the reign of the second Caliph. However,
the third Caliph dismissed him and replaced him with his foster brother,
Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abu Sharh. As a result of this, Amr became
extremely hostile towards Uthman. He returned to Medina and started a
malicious campaign against Uthman, accusing him of many wrong doings.
Uthman blamed Amr and spoke to him harshly. This made Amr even more bitter.
He used to meet Zubair and Talha and conspire against Uthman. He used to
meet pilgrims and inform them of the numerous deviations of Uthman.
According to Tabari, when Uthman was besieged, Amr settled in the palace of
al-Ajlan and used to ask from people about the situation of Uthman:

 ...Amr had not left his seat before a second rider passed by. Amr
 called him out: "How is Uthman doing?" The man replied: "He has been
 killed."  Amr then said: "I am Abu Abdillah. When I scratch an ulcer,
 I cut it off. (i.e., when I desire an object, I attain it). I have
 been provoking (people) against him, even the shepherd on the top of
 mountains with his flock."  Then Salamah Ibn Rawh said to him: "You,
 the Qurai****es, have broken a strong tie between yourselves and
 the Arabs. Why did you do that?"  Amr replied: "We wanted to draw the
 truth out of the pit of falsehood, and to have people be on an equal
 footing as regards the truth."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 171-172

The divider of Muslims ignored what is well known in the history of Islam
which was reported by important Sunni reporters. The revolt against Uthman
was as a result of the efforts of prominent personalities in Medina, such
as Aisha, Talha, Zubair, Aburrahman Ibn Ouf, and Amr Ibn al-Aas. Instead of
attributing the revolution to real people who rebelled against Uthman, the
dividers of Muslims refuse to accept the truth or to mention it. They
attribute the revolution to a fictitious Jew, relying on the reports of
Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi, a man who was accused by prominent Sunni scholars
to be a man of lies and innovations. They chose to accept Sayf's report in
order to cover up for the Caliph, Aisha, Talha, and Zubair.

It is even more amazing that Aisha, Talha, and Zubair, and Muawiyah Ibn Abu
Sufyan fought Imam Ali in two wars, unprecedented in the history of Islam,
yet non of them accused the followers of Imam Ali to be students of Ibn
Saba. Sunni history books and Sunni collections of traditions clearly
state that Muawiyah commanded all the Imams of the mosques throughout the
Muslim world to CURSE Imam Ali in every Friday prayer. If the fictitious
Jew, Ibn Saba, had any small role in the revolt against Uthman, Muawiyah
would have made it the main topic of his defamation campaign against the
Imam and his supporters. He would have publicized throughout the world that
those who killed Uthman were the student of Abdullah Ibn Saba, and that
they were ones who brought Ali to power. However neither Muawiyah nor Aisha
took this route, because such stories attributed to Ibn Saba was invented
by Sayf Ibn Umar who lived in the second century after Hijrah, long after
their death.

The murder of Uthman provided a nice scapegoat for those who were fighting
over more power, while serving under the government of Uthman. They were
mainly his relatives, the Umayads such as Muawiyah and Marwan, who
thoroughly took advantage of Uthman's life as well as his death. The story
of Ibn Saba in this regard has served to cover the face of those power-
hungry individuals, and yet another way to attack Imam Ali and his true
followers.

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Few Reasons behind the Revolt Against Uthman

The Third Caliph, Uthman, was given the allegiance of the people with the
stipulation that he would manage the affairs of the nation according to the
book of God and the teachings of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). He was to follow
the method of Abu Bakr and Umar, if there was no instruction from the Quran
or the Prophet.

It is well-known that the first two caliphs lived simple lives. They
did not give members of their clans a preference over other people, nor did
they appoint any of their relatives to prominent positions in the State.

Uthman, on the other hand, had his own opinions. He allowed himself to live
luxuriously. He put members of his clan (Umayad) in prominent and strong
positions in the State, preferring them over other Muslims, without
monitoring their affairs. However, his relatives were not righteous.
Perhaps Uthman thought that his preference towards them was in accordance
with the Book of God because Quran urges people to be kind to their
relatives! This method of handing the affairs of the State did not please
many companions. They found it extravagant and extreme.

The Companions criticized the Caliph for the following issues:

  1. He brought his uncle, al-Hakam Ibn Abi al-Aas (son of Umayyah, son of Abd Shams), to Medina after the Prophet had exiled him from Medina.

It was reported that al-Hakam used to hide and listen to the words of the
Prophet as he spoke secretly to prominent companions, and then circulated
what he heard. He used to imitate and ridicule the Prophet in the way he
walked. The Prophet one time looked at him while he was being imitated and
said: "This way you will be." al-Hakam immediately started shaking and
continued that way until he died. It is also reported that:

 One day, while sitting with some of his companions, the Messenger of
 God said, "A cursed man will enter the room." Shortly thereafter,
 al-Hakam entered. (He was the cursed man.)

Sunni reference: al-Isti'aab, by Yusuf Ibn Abd al-Barr, v1, pp 359-360

  1. After bringing him to Medina, Uthman gave his uncle al-Hakam 300,000
    Dirhams.

  2. He made Marwan, son of al-Hakam, his highest assistant and top advisor,
    giving him influence equal to his own. Marwan bought a fifth of the
    revenues of the North Africa for 500,000 Dinars!!! However, he did not pay
    this amount. The Caliph allowed him to keep the money. This amount was
    equal to ten million dollars!!!

**Imam Ali (AS) frequently reminded Uthman about the danger of Marwan, but in
vain. The following conversation between Imam Ali and Uthman testifies this
fact. It happened when Uthman was being attacked, and thus he asked Ali for
help. Uthman said to Imam Ali:

 "You see the trouble caused by this band of dissidents when they came
 to me today. I know that you enjoy prestige among people and that they
 will listen to you. I want you to go to them and send them away from
 me. I do not wish them to come before me, for that would be an
 insulting act toward me on their part. Let others hear this as well."

 Ali said: "On what grounds shall I send them away?"

 Uthman replied: "On the grounds that I shall carry out what you have
 counseled me to do and you thought right, and I will not deviate from
 you direction."  Then Ali said: "In fact I have spoken to you
 time after time, and you and I discussed such matters at length.
 All this is the doing of Marwan Ibn al-Hakam, Saeed Ibn al-Aas, Ibn     
 Amir, and Muawiyah. You have listened to them and defied me." Uthman     
 said: "then I shall defy them and listen to you."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p173**

Then Imam Ali spoke to people and asked them to go away from Uthman, and
thus many of them retreated. Then Imam came to Uthman and informed him
that people are gone, and said:

 "Make a statement which the people will testify that they have heard
 from you, and God will be witness as to whether or not you desire to
 repent in your heart."

 Thus, Uthman went out and preached the sermon in which he laid before
 the people his heartfelt desire to repent, and said: "By God, O
 people, if any one of you has blamed (me), he has not done anything
 that is unknown to me. I have done nothing unknowingly. But my soul
 has raised vain hopes within me and lied to me, and my virtue has
 slipped away from me. ...I ask God's forgiveness for what I have done
 and I turn to him. A man like me yearns to repent."

 Then people had pity on him, and some among them wept. Saeed Ibn Zayd
 stood up before him (Uthman) and said: "O commander of faithful, (from
 now on) no one comes to you who does not support you. Fear God, in
 your soul fear God, and fulfill what you have said!"

 When Uthman descended (from the pulpit), he found Marwan Ibn al-Hakam
 and Seed Ibn al-Aas, and a few other Umayad at his house. Marwan said:
 "Should I speak (to people) or remain silent?" Uthman's wife said:
 "Nay! Be silent, for they will kill him of sin. He has made a public
 statement from which he can not rightfully withdraw." Marwan said:
 "What does this have to do with you?"

** Then Marwan said to Uthman: "To persist in an error for which you must
seek God's forgiveness is better that to repent because you are
afraid. If you so will, you may seek repentance without acknowledging
error." Uthman said: "Go out and speak to them, for I am ashamed to
do so."**

 So Marwan went (to people) and said: "Why have you gathered here like
 looters? ... You have come to snatch our power (Mulk; kingship) from
 us. Go! By God, if you mean us (any harm), you will encounter
 something distasteful from us, and you will not praise the result of
 your opinions. Return to your homes, for by God we are not men to be
 robbed of our possessions."

 People informed Ali of the news.  Then Ali came to Uthman and
 said: "Surely you have satisfied Marwan (again), but he is satisfied
 with you only if you deviate from your religion and reason, like a
 camel carrying a litter that is led around at will. By God, Marwan is
 devoid of sense in regard to his religion and his soul. I swear by
 God, I think he will bring you in and then not send you out again.
 After this visit, I will not come again to chide you. You have
 destroyed your own honor and you have been robbed of your authority."

 When Ali departed, Uthman's wife told him: "I have heard that Ali said
 to you that he will never return to you, and that you have obeyed
 Marwan (again), who leads you wherever he wishes." Uthman said: "What
 shall I do?" She responded: "You should fear God alone, who has no
 partner, and you should adhere to the practice of your two
 predecessors (Abu Bakr and Umar). For if you obey Marwan, he will kill
 you. Marwan enjoys no prestige among the people, and inspires neither
 awe nor love. People have only abandoned you due to Marwan's position
 (in your councils). Send to Ali, then, and trust in his honesty and
 uprightness. He is related to you and he is not a man whom people
 disobey."  So Uthman sent to Ali, but he refused to come, saying: "I
 told him I would not return."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 176-179

On the death of Uthman, Imam Ali (AS) said:

 By God! I have persisted in defending him (Uthman) until I was filled
 with shame. But Marwan, Muawiyah, Abdullah Ibn Amir, and Sa'd Ibn al-
 Aas have dealt with him as you witnessed. When I gave him sincere
 counsel and directed him to send them away, he became suspicious of
 me, until what you now see has happened.

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p198

Marwan and his descendants were the basis for some of the most serious
charges of corruption and nepotism levied against Uthman. Marwan, of
course, ultimately seized the Caliphate and ascended the throne in year
64/684, and was the lineal ancestor of all succeeding Umayad kings in
Damascus as well as the Amirs of Cordoba till after 756 AD.

  1. The Caliph appointed his foster brother, Abdullah Ibn Sa'd, as the governor of Egypt. At that time, Egypt was the largest province in the Muslim State. Ibn Sa'd had declared his Islam and moved from Mecca to Medina. The Prophet listed him as a recorder of the revelation. However, Ibn Sa'd then deserted the faith and returned to Mecca. He used to say: "I shall reveal equal to what God revealed to Muhammad."

When Mecca was conquered, the Prophet ordered the Muslims to kill Ibn Sa'd.
He was to be killed even if he was found tying himself to the cloth of the
Ka'aba. Ibn Sa'd hid himself at the house of Uthman. When the situation
calmed down, Uthman brought Ibn Sa'd to the Prophet and informed him that
he had put Ibn Sa'd under his protection. The Prophet remained silent for a
long while, hoping that one of those who were present, would kill Ibn Sa'd
before he honors Uthman's request. The companions, however, did not
understand what the Prophet meant by his long silence. Since no one moved
to kill Ibn Sa'd, the Prophet approved the protection of Uthman.

  1. The Caliph Uthman appointed Walid Ibn Aqabah (one of his Umayad relatives) as the governor of Kufa after dismissing the previous governor, the famous companion of Prophet, Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas. Sa'd was a famous marksman known for combating the enemies of Islam in the Battle of Uhud.

On the other hand, the behavior of Walid during the time of the Prophet
was not honorable. Quran discredited him and called him a transgressor.
For instance, the Messenger sent him to Bani al-Mustalaq to collect their
Zakat. Walid witnessed from a distance that Mustalaqites coming toward him
on their horses. He became frightened due to a previous hostility between
the Mustalaqites and him. He returned to the Messenger of God and informed
him that the Mustalaqites wanted to kill him. This was not true. However,
Walid's information infuriated the Muslims of Medina, and they wanted to
attack the Mustalaqites. At this time, the following revelation came down:

 "O you who believe, if a transgressor comes to you with news, try to
 verify it, lest you inflict damage on people unwittingly; then you may
 consequently regret your hasty action."

Walid continued in his non-Islamic way for the rest of his life. He used to
drink wine and several witnesses testified to the Caliph that they had
witnessed Walid drunk while leading a congregational prayer!!! Upon the
testimony of good witnesses, Walid was lashed eighty times and was
dismissed by the Caliph. The Caliph was expected to replace this
transgressor with a good companion of the Prophet but, instead, he replaced
Walid with Saeed Ibn al-Aas, another member of his Umayad relatives!

The following dialog between Imam Ali (AS) and Uthman, is also written in
the History of al-Tabari which gives more insight to the situation of
Uthman long before his murder:

 People gathered and talked to Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Thus Ali went to
 Uthman and said:

 People came to me, and they have spoken to me about you. ...
 Remember God! You will be not awarded your sight after you become
 blind, by God!, nor you are being instructed after you were in
 ignorance. Verily the Path is manifest and clear, and the signs of
 true religion are standing upright.

 Know, Uthman, that the best servant in the eyes of God, is a JUST
 IMAM (leader), one who has been guided to the way, and who himself
 gives the right guidance (to people), for he upholds the true Sunnah
 and destroys rejected innovations. By God, every thing is clear. Sound
 and true Sunnah stands clearly, as do blameworthy innovations. The
 WORST IMAM in the eyes of God, is a tyrannical leader, the one who
 has gone astray himself, and by whom others are led astray, for he
 destroys a true Sunnah and revives a rejected innovation.

 Verily I heard the messenger of Allah saying: 'In The Day of
 Resurrection, the tyrannical leader will be brought while he will
 have no helper and no advocate, so that he will be cast to the Hell,
 and he will be turning about in Hell as the mill turns, and he then
 will plunge into the fiery flood of Hell.'

** I tell you (Uthman), to be aware of God and His sudden assault and
His retaliation, for His punishment is harsh and painful indeed.
I tell you to beware lest you be the murdered leader of this
community. Indeed it is said that a leader will be killed in this
community, and its bloody strife will be loosed upon it until the
day of rising (of Imam Mahdi), and its affairs will become hopelessly
entangled. It will leave people as sects, and they will not see the
truth due to the great height of falsehood. They will toss therein
like waves and wander in confusion.

 Then Uthman replied:

 By God, I knew that (people) would be saying what you have said. But
 by God, if you were in my place, I would not have blame you nor left
 you in the lurch nor shamed you nor behaved unfairly. If I have
 favored my relatives, and appointed them as governors, some of them
 are those whom Umar used to appoint. I appeal you by God, O Ali, do
 you know that al-Mughirah Ibn Shubah is not there? Ali said: Yes.
 Then Uthman said: Do you know that Umar made him a governor? Ali
 said: Yes. Then Uthman said: So why do you blame me for having
 appointed him Amir, simply because he is my relative?

 Then Ali said:

 I would tell you that every one appointed by Umar, was kept under
 close inspection by him, and Umar would trample on his ear. If Umar
 would hear a single word concerning him, he would flog him and
 punish him with the utmost severity. But you do not do that. You
 have been weak and easygoing with your relatives. Uthman said: They
 are your relatives as well. Ali replied: By my life, they are closely related to me,      but merit is found in other people.**

 Then Uthman said:

 Do you know that Umar was the one who kept Muawiyah in the office
 throughout his entire reign, and I have only done the same.

 Then Ali said:

 I ask you by Allah, do you know that Muawiyah was more afraid of
 Umar than was Umar's own slave, Yarfa? Uthman said: Yes.   Ali
 continued: Now it has been reached to the point that Muawiyah makes
 decisions on the issues without consulting you, and you know it.
 Muawiyah says to people "This is Uthman's command", and you hear of
 this, but you do not denounce him.

 Then Ali left Uthman, and Uthman went out on his heels. Then Uthman
 ascended the pulpit and said:

 By God, you have surely blamed me for things like those you accepted
 from Umar. But he trampled you underfoot, smote you with his hand, and
 subdued you by his tongue, and thus you submitted to him whether you
 liked it or not. But I have been lenient with you. I let you step on
 my shoulders while I restrained my hand and tongue, and therefore you
 have been rude toward me. By God, I am stronger in the number of
 relatives, and have allies closer at hand, and possess more
 supporters. I have appointed your peers over you. But you have
 attributed to me a nature that I do not possess. Restrain your tongue
 from slandering your rulers... By God! I have achieved no less than my
 predecessors or those about whom you have not disagreed. **There is a
 surplus wealth, so why should I not do as I wish with the surplus?
 Otherwise why did I become leader?

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 141-144**

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Abdullah Ibn Saba (Part V)

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The Opinion of the Historians

I have already provided the opinion of 15 famous Sunni scholars about the
weakness of the reports of Sayf Ibn Umar in of this article.
Beside them, many Sunni historians have also denied the existence of
Abdullah Ibn Saba and and/or the forged stories attributed to him. Among
them are Dr. Taha Husain, who has analyzed these stories and rejected them.
He wrote in "al-Fitnah al-Kubra" that:

 In my opinion, those who have tried to emphasize on the story of
 Abdullah Ibn Saba, have committed a crime in the history and hurt
 themselves too. The first thing that is observed is that in the
 important collections the name of Ibn Saba does not appear when they
 discuss the agitation against Uthman. Ibn Sa'd does not mention the
 name of Abdullah Ibn Saba when he discusses the Caliphate of Uthman
 and the revolt against him. Also the book by al-Baladhuri, "Ansab al-
 Ashraf", which I think the most important and the most detailed book
 about the revolt against Uthman, the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba has
 never been mentioned. It appears that al-Tabari was the first who
 reported the story of Ibn Saba from Sayf, and then other historians
 quoted al-Tabari in this regard.

In his other book "Ali wa Banuh", he also mentioned:

 The story of Ibn Saba is nothing but myth, and is the invention of
 some historians, since it contradicts other historical documents. ...
 The fact is that the friction between Shia and Sunni have had many
 shapes, and each group was advocating itself and denouncing the other
 by any means possible. This requires a historian to be much more
 cautious when analyzing the controversial reports related to seditions
 and revolts.

In , we briefly mentioned the masterpiece of Allamah al-Askari
which was released in 1955 AD. Before that time, no analytical research had
been done on the character of Abdullah Ibn Saba to investigate if he really
existed in physical world and/or if the stories around this man had any
single truth in it. Although Sayf's heresy was well-known for a number of
centuries, no research had been done about the origin of the tale of
Abdullah Ibn Saba. In his research, al-Askari proved that Sayf's narration
attributed to Abdullah Ibn Saba and many other things are sheer lie since
they contradict ALL other Sunni documents in content, timing of the events,
names of cities and companions, imaginary chain of narrators, and
miraculous records by Sayf (like talking cows with humans and so on). If
there was any Abdullah Ibn Saba at that time, his story was much different
than what Sayf manipulated.

Here is the response of a Sunni learned man, Dr. Hamid Dawud, the professor
of Cairo University, after reading al-Askari's book (I just give only a
part of his letter):

 The 1300th birthday of Islam has been celebrated. During this time,
 some of our learned writers have accused Shia of having un-Islamic
 views. Those writers influenced public opinion against Shia and
 created big gaps between Muslims. In spite of wisdom and learning, the
 enemies of Shia followed their own chosen beliefs and partiality,
 covering the truth, and accusing the Shia of being superstitious etc.
 Hence Islamic science suffered much, as Shia views were suppressed.

 As a result of these accusations, the loss to Islamic science was
 greater than the loss suffered by Shia themselves, because the source
 of this jurisprudence, though rich and fruitful, was neglected,
 resulting in limited knowledge. Also, in the past, our learned men
 were prejudiced, otherwise we would have benefited from many Shia
 views. Anyone who wishes to do research in Islamic Jurisprudence must
 consider Shia sources as well as those of Sunni.

 Was not the Shia leader, Imam Jafar al-Sadiq (d. 148 AH), the teacher
 of two Sunni Imams? i.e., Abu Hanifa al-Nu'man (d. 150 AH), and Malik
 Ibn Anas (d. 179 AH).  Imam Abu Hanifa said: "Except for the two years
 Nu'man would have starved," referring to the two years he had
 benefited from the knowledge of Imam Jafar al-Sadiq. Imam Malik also
 confessed straightforwardly that he had not met anyone learned in
 Islamic Jurisprudence better than Imam Jafar al-Sadiq.

 Yet, some of our so-called learned men, unfortunately disregard the
 rules for research to suit their own ends. Hence knowledge is not
 fully disclosed to them and thus they create a wider gap between
 Muslims. Ahmed Amin is one of those deprived of the light of
 knowledge, remaining in darkness. History has recorded this stain on
 the robe of Ahmed Amin and his friends, who blindly followed one
 special Madhab. Of many mistakes made by him, the biggest is told in
 the story of Abdullah Ibn Saba. This is one of the tales told in order
 to accuse Shia of heresy and foregoing events.

 The great contemporary researcher, al-Askari, in his book, has proved
 with substantial evidence, that Abdullah Ibn Saba was fictitious, and
 it is therefore a greater lie to say that he was the founder of
 Shi'ism.

 God has decreed that some learned men disclose the truth regardless of
 blame they may get. The pioneer in this subject is this man who has
 made the Sunni learned men of research revise the history book of
 Tabari (History of Nations and Kings), and to sift out the authentic
 stories from the false. The stories which have been preserved as God's
 revelations.

 The honorable writer, with much evidence, has stripped the veil or
 ambiguity from those historical events, and disclosed the truth, to
 some extent that some facts seem frightful. But we have to obey the
 truth no matter how difficult they appear. The truth is the best to be
 followed.
                                            Dr. Hamid Hafni Dawud
                                            Oct. 12, 1961
                                            Cairo, Egypt.

We just heard from a Sunni Muslim. Now let us see what a third party has
to say about Sayf and his character, Abdullah Ibn Saba. The following is
the comment of Dr. R. Stephen Humpherys, from the University of Wisconsin
at Madison, who has translated the Vol. 15 of the History of al-Tabari into
English. This comment is written in the foreword of Vol. 15 of the History
of al-Tabari. (again, I just give some parts of it. Please refer to Vol. 15
for details):

** For events in Iraq and Arabia (the real key to the crises of Uthman's
 caliphate) Tabari relies chiefly on Muhammad Ibn Umar al- Waqidi (d.
 823) and the MYSTERIOUS SAYF IBN UMAR. Both of these authorities raise
 real problems ... It is Sayf Ibn Umar who is most troubling, however.
 Tabari shows a unique fondness for him, in two senses. First, SAYF IS
 THE SOURCE MOST HEAVILY USED BY TABARI for the whole period from the
 Riddah wars to the battle of Siffin (11-37 AH). Second, no one beside
 Tabari appears to use Sayf at all. There is no obvious way to explain
 Tabari's preference. It is certainly not explained by the formal
 characteristics of Sayf's narratives, for he relies on informants who
 are usually OBSCURE and often very recent. likewise, he makes heavy
 use of the collective report, which blends together in unspecified
 ways the accounts of several transmitters.**

I would suggest that Sayf appealed to Tabari for two reasons. First,
 Sayf presents a "Sunday school" interpretation of Uthman's caliphate.
 In his presentation, one sees a profound unity and harmony within the
 core community of Muslims, a unity and harmony founded on strict
 fidelity to the legacy of Muhammad. It is unthinkable that men such as
 those portrayed by Sayf could have been moved by worldly ambition and
 greed. On the contrary, in Sayf's presentation most conflicts are
 illusory, a reflection of malicious misinterpretations by later
 commentators. Where real conflicts did arise among sincere Muslims,
 they were instigated by outsiders like the notorious Abdullah Ibn
 Saba, a converted Jew from Yemen.


** On this level, at least, Sayf's version of events is obviously a very
 naive one, and no doubt Tabari perceived that as clearly as we do.
 Even so, it served a very useful function for Tabari: By making Sayf's
 reports the visible frame work of his narrative, he could slip in the
 much less flattering interpretations of early Islamic history
 presented by his other sources. Ordinary readers would dismiss this
 dissident testimony as irrelevant, and only few critical readers would
 catch his hint and pursue the issues raised by such secondary
 accounts. In this way, Tabari could say what needed to be said while
 avoiding accusations of sectarianism. Accusations of this kind were of
 course no small matter in view of the enormous social and religious
 tensions in Baghdad during the late 9th and early 10th centuries.

Reference: History of al-Tabari, v15, pp xv-xvii**

Also in the foreword of Volume 11 of the English version of the History of
al-Tabari, the translator writes:

 Although Tabari scrupulously cited his sources and can be shown to
 have often quoted from them almost verbatim, these source themselves
 can be traced with certainty only to an earlier stage in the
 collection of Islamic history, represented by the writers Ibn Is'haq
 (d. 151/767), Ibn al-Kalbi (d. 204/819), al-Waqidi (d. 207/822), and
 Sayf Ibn Umar (d. ~170/786). From the first three, all of whom are
 cited in this volume, there are works extant that enable us to assess
 their tendencies to some extent, as well as to verify their use of
 their own sources. For an assessment of the value of their
 transmission, the reader is referred to the relevant articles in the
 Encyclopedia of Islam and other secondary literature.

 It is the fourth writer extensively quoted by al-Tabari, SAYF IBN
 UMAR, with whom we are mainly concerned here. As his work survives
 principally in the transmission of al-Tabari and those who took from
 him and IS FOUND NOWHERE IN INDEPENDENT FORM, he has unfortunately
 been rather ignored in modern criticism. Yet it is Sayf's lengthy
 reports that fill most of the pages of this and several other volumes.
 The historical evaluation of this volume therefore depends to a large
 extent on our assessment of the nature of Sayf's reports and al-
 Tabari's use of them, and it is to these problems that we must turn
 our attention.

 Abu Abdillah Sayf Ibn Umar al-Usayyidi al-Tamimi was a Kufan
 traditionist who died in the reign of Harun al-Rashid (170-93/786-
 809). Other than the possibility that he was accused of MANICHAEISM
 (Zandaqah) in the inquisition (Mihnah) that began under al-Mahdi in
 166/783 and continued into the time of al-Rashid, nothing is known of
 his life, except what can be determined from his tradition. (On Mihnah
 itself, see History of al-Tabari, v3, pp 517, 522, 548-551, 604, 645;
 and the book called "Zindiqs" by Vajda, pp 173-229. On accusations
 against Sayf, see Majruheen, by Ibn Hibban, v1, pp 345-346; Mizan, by
 al-Dhahabi, v2, pp 255-256; Tahdhib, by Ibn Hajar, v4, p296).

 As he is alleged to have transmitted from at least nine traditionists
 who died in 140-146/757-763, and even from two who died in 126-128/744-
 746, he may have been elderly when he died. This is also suggested by
 the possibility that Abu Mikhnaf, who died considerably earlier than
 Sayf in 157/774, may have quoted from him. Sayf's work was originally
 recorded in two books which are now lost but survived for a number of
 centuries after Sayf's own lifetime. They made an enormous impact on
 the Islamic historical tradition, especially because al-Tabari chose
 to rely mainly on them for the events of 11-36/632-656, a period that
 spanned the reigns of the first three caliphs and included all the
 early conquests of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Iran.** Although al-Tabari
 also quoted other sources in this volume, as we have indicated, the
 overwhelming bulk of his material for this
 period is from Sayf. In deed, it is also probable, though not certain,
 that he has reproduced the vast majority of Sayf's work. Sayf is only
 rarely cited by other writers independently of al-Tabari.

 Generally, Sayf's description of the conquests transmitted in this and
 other volumes of al-Tabari emphasizes the heroism of the Muslim
 warriors, the hardships they endured, and the toughness of their
 opponents, features that seem plausible enough and are also found in
 other conquest narratives beside those of Sayf. However, Sayf's
 narratives differ in the extent to which he introduces traditions not
 found elsewhere, often reporting them from transmitters not otherwise
 known. These UNIQUE narratives frequently contain fantastic or
 legendary motifs to an extent far greater than is found in the
 versions of other historians. Although the fantastic and tendentious
 nature of Sayf's reports has often been noted, for example, by Julius
 Wellhausen (see skizzen, pp 3-7), the exact value of his corpus as a
 primary source has never been assessed in detail.**

 ...Although he hailed from Kufa, the crucible of early Shi'ism, Sayf
 belonged to a completely anti-Shi'i undercurrent, representing the
 Kufan faction that had earlier opposed the rebellions of al-Husain Ibn
 Ali and Zayd Ibn Ali. (This is also indicated by his quotation from
 sources who were involved in the killing of al-Husain. See for
 instance v11, pp 204, 206, 216, 222)...

 **The egregious tendentiousness of Sayf's corpus comes out most plainly
 in other volumes of al-Tabari, in such episodes as Saqifah Bani
 Sa'idah (Tabari, v1, pp 1844-50), the burial of Uthman (3049-50), and
 the tale of ABDULLAH IBN SABA (2858-59,2922,2928,2942-44,2954,3027,
 3163-65,3180). In each of these instances, other versions that do not
 confirm Sayf's own are available for comparison and reveal the
 impudence of his daring constructions.**

 ... Beside exaggerating the roles of certain Companions in the early
 conquests, Sayf also embellished his work with the exploits of other,
 IMAGINARY COMPANIONS and with heroes whom he invented, especially to
 represent his own tribal group. The most outstanding of these
 fabrications is al-Qa'qa Ibn Amr, a hero and alleged Companion of the
 Prophet, who is, not surprisingly, said to be a member of Sayf's own
 subtribe, the Usayyidi (in this volume, pp 8,24,36,40,42-43,45,48,60-
 63,65,90,95,166,168). His being an Usayyidi suggests that his
 fabrication is owing to Sayf himself and not to any of Sayf's alleged
 sources, as none of the latter is identified as an Usayyidi. In
 addition, many other persons supposedly belonging to the Tamim tribal
 group appear to be fabrication, some of them having stereotypical
 names that suggest almost playful invention, like "Wrap, the son of
 Skirt", "Spring Herbage, the son of Rain, the son of Snow", and "Sea,
 the son of Euphrates". The reader will find dozens of persons who are
 named only in Sayf's traditions recorded in this volume. ...

** Beside having FABRICATED many of the personages who appear in his
 transmissions, it also appear that Sayf FABRICATED the names of many,
 perhaps most, of his alleged authorities. ...**

 Frequently it seems that these invented "authorities" served as
 intermediate links between Sayf and earlier genuine traditionists
 whose authority Sayf wished to use to bolster his own inventions.

 This assessment of Sayf in no way undermines the authority of other
 early Muslim writers whose works may have an entirely different
 character, just as the Late Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus is in
 no way affected by the fraud of the Historia Augusta. **On the contrary,
 it is greatly to the credit of the medieval Sunni Muslims who assessed
 the quality of traditions in the Rijal books that they unanimously
 rejected Sayf's authority in the most absolute way possible. They did
 so despite the fact that his traditions could have been used to back
 their emerging Sunni consensus on early Islamic history. This suggests
 that their condemnation of Sayf's traditions was motivated by a
 concern for the truth, rather than by a wish to gain advantage in the
 partisan arena of the time.** They realized that his transmissions were
 exaggerated and fraudulent, and they said so. In fact, the
 condemnation of Sayf by the medieval Muslim Ulama ought to serve as a
 reminder to modern scholars that ancient and medieval texts were not
 always dictated by the prevailing political or religious climate and
 that the search for truth had its place in earlier times as well as in
 our own. ...

 In describing the conquests generally al-Tabari scarcely deviated from
 Sayf's reports. This brings us to the second attraction that Sayf may
 have had for al-Tabari: DETAIL. Sayf's transmissions are almost always
 far more verbose than parallel reports of more sober traditionists.
 This characteristic probably not only made them preferable to al-
 Tabari but may have seemed a guarantee of their accuracy. Living in
 medieval times, al-Tabari did not, in the majority of instances, have
 available to him the modern tools that would have enabled him to
 discover Sayf's tendentiousness. And, after all, Sayf's reports have
 continued to receive the approbation of a minority of scholars even up
 to the present.

Reference: History of al-Tabari, v11, pp xv-xxix

Also Professor James Robinson, (D.Litt., D.D.Glasgow, U.K.) wrote:

 I would like to make a remark about Tabari who had no hesitation in
 quoting from Sayf. His history is not a historical work in the manner
 of modern writing, for his main purpose seems to have been to record
 all the information in his possession without necessarily expressing
 an opinion on its value. One is, therefore, prepared to find that some
 of his material is less reliable than others. So, perhaps we can
 excuse him for using a method not approved nowadays. He has at least
 provided a mass of information. It remains for acute scholars to
 distinguish between the genuine and the false.

 It is shown that Sayf often quotes men who are unknown. This raises
 the question why none of them should have been quoted by other
 transmitters, and leads one further to suggest that Sayf has invented
 them. This serious accusation is a reasonable assumption by comparing
 Sayf with others.

 It is pointed out that Sayf has stories miraculous of happenings which
 are difficult to believe, such as desert sands becoming water for
 Muslim armies, seas becoming sand, cattle speaking and informing the
 Muslim army where they were hidden, etc. In Sayf's time it was
 possible for him to succeed in passing off such stories as history,
 but nowadays the critical student naturally finds such stories quite
 impossible. Effective arguments are also used to show how Sayf's
 information about Ibn Saba and the Saba'iyya is quite unreliable.


 Sayf who lived in the first quarter of the second century belonged to
 Tamim, one of the Mudar tribes who live in Kufa. This helps one to
 study his tendencies and the influences leading to this legends. There
 is discussion of Zindeeq and of Manichaeism. Party spirit is said to
 have continued from the Prophet's time, till that of the Abbasids.
 Sayf upholds the northern tribes, inventing heroes, poets praising the
 tribe's heroes, companions of the Prophet from Tamim, wars and battles
 which had no reality, millions killed and large numbers of prisoners
 with the purpose glorifying the heroes he invented, Poems attributed
 to imaginary heroes were in praise of Mudar, then Tamim, then Ibn Amr,
 the subtribe to which Sayf traced his origin. Sayf mentioned men of
 Mudar as leaders of battles which were led by men of other tribes, his
 fictitious leaders sometimes being real people, sometimes names
 produced by his imagination. It is argued that the falseness of his
 information was partly to upset the faith of many and partly to give
 non-Muslims a wrong conception. He was so skillful in his forgeries
 that they were accepted as genuine history.

There is a big difference between a Hadith work, such as Sahih al-Bukhari,
and a history work such as the History al-Tabari. al-Bukhari was selective
toward the traditions and might have recorded 1/10 of traditions that was
conveyed to him, since he dropped all traditions which might have been weak
in his point of view. However al-Tabari, though he was selective in his
other works, but for his History he recorded 9/10 of what he had heard, and
this is due to the nature of historical documentations which are not
necessarily as accurate as the Hadith collections.

As a result, al-Bukhari did NOT transmit EVEN ONE SINGLE TRADITION about
Abdullah Ibn Saba in his nine-volume Sahih. But historians who favored
heavy documentations more than the authenticity of narrators, recorded
heavily about Abdullah Ibn Saba through Sayf.

The Shia historians are not exempt from the above reasoning. They have also
recorded most of the things they have got. This includes those reports that
they were not sure about. The final research by Shia related to Abdullah
Ibn Saba was released only in 1955 AD, and it was not so clear before that
time that the stories related to Abdullah Ibn Saba have been the total
manipulation of Sayf with political motives. The two Shia historian who
mentioned the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba, lived 10 centuries before the
publication extensive research about Abdullah Ibn Saba. A person is called
expert in the history of Islam, if s/he has read all the early history
books. As a matter of fact, many early history books were written by the
Sunni authors under the direct fund of Umayad and later Abbasid rulers. A
Shia historian does not ban Sunni sources, and consequently his work is
affected, one way or another, by previous works. This is clear when one
observes that the two Shia historians who mentioned the name of Abdullah
Ibn Saba, did not give any chain of transmitters for their report meaning
that they got it from rumor the mouth people which the result of Sayf's
mass propaganda.

As for those few traditions which have the chain of narrators (independent
of Sayf), they provide a much different story which do not support any of
the allegations of Sayf. These traditions picture an accursed man whom
Ahlul-Bayt have declared their innocence from what he attributed to Imam
Ali (declaring Ali as God). The Shia, their Imams and their scholars
declare the curse of Allah to that man (if ever existed) he was lost,
misguided and cursed. There is nothing in common between us and his name
except our curse on him and all other extremists who believed in deity of
Ahlul-Bayt.

The followers of Ahlul Bayt never claimed that Ali is God, nor did they
claim the rest of 12 Imams are God. This, in fact, shows that those who
gave life to the stories attributed to Abdullah Ibn Saba had hatred toward
Shia, and tried to misrepresent the Followers of the Members of the House
of Prophet. If Shia were the followers of that mysterious Jew, they should
have believed in deity of Ali and should also respect their mentor Abdullah
Ibn Saba, instead of cursing him!

If Abdullah Ibn Saba is such an influential and important figure for the
Shia, how come they NEVER quote him like they do with the Imams of Ahlul
Bayt? Surely, if Abdullah Ibn Saba was their Master Teacher, they must
quote him and be proud to do so? A religious student always quotes his
teacher, why then would the Shia be any different? Why should they curse
him instead? If one answers that the reason that the Shia do not quote from
him is that he was a Jew who converted to Islam, then I would ask him what
was the religion of the companions before converting to Islam? Was not Abu
Huraira a Jew who killed a Muslim before converting to Islam? Was not that
he converted to Islam just 2 years before the death Prophet? Then why do
the bulk of traditions in the Sunni collections come from him? while the
traditions reported by Imam Ali (who was the first male who embraced Islam)
in the Sunni collections is less than 1% of what is reported by Abu
Huraira? This is a sign for those who reflect.

Moreover, It is a custom of Shia that they celebrate the birthday of
Prophet and 12 Imams and Lady Fatimah, peace be upon them all. They also
mourn in the memory of their martyrdom. Why then they do not hold the same
practice for Abdullah Ibn Saba if he was their master?

Besides, are the Shia so stupid and ignorant that after 1400 years, they
have never figured out that their belief and faith are based on fabricated
traditions and tales going back to Abdullah Ibn Saba? I doubt, then, how
the Shia, if they were indeed so stupid as to believe a so-called hypocrite
Jew in their theology, philosophy, jurisprudence, history, and
interpretations of the Quran, have survived to this day? Surely if the
knowledge of the Shia was based on such a shaky foundation as Abdullah Ibn
Saba, they would have perished a long time ago. It is more interesting when
we see the Imams of the majority of the Sunnis were the students of the
Imams of Shia (Imam Muhammad Baqir and Imam Ja'far Sadiq, peace be upon
them). Then one would say the Sunni schools got the basics of their Fiqh
from Shia, which means the Sunnis along with Shia were the followers of the
very same person, the mysterious Abdullah Ibn Saba! Who is left then?
Perhaps the followers of Muhammad Ibn Abdil Wahhab!

Moreover, if Abdullah Ibn Saba did in fact exist with such stories that
Sayf attributed to him, then there is 150 years between his birth and the
publication of the story of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi. During those 150
years, there lived an innumerous number of scholars, scribes, historians,
and philosophers who contributed many books. Why didn't any of them EVER
mention the name of Abdullah Ibn Saba? Surely, if he was such an
influential figure for the Shia, you can bet that the Sunnis would have
known him before Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi! The fact that he was NEVER
mentioned in ANY book before the book of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi is enough
to cast doubt on the entire story attributed to him and even his existence.
Can you believe that in the 150 years or so between the so-called birth of
Abdullah Ibn Saba and the publication of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi, no book
ever mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba? Yet some people still claim he with such
stories existed!

More strange thing is that even in the next 160 years after the publication
of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi not too many people knew the story of Abdullah
Ibn Saba. It wasn't wide-spread until the story of Ibn Saba extensively
showed up in the History of al-Tabari (160 years after Sayf's publication),
and it was at that time when some mercenaries started giving it weight as
a means of defense against Shia.

Now, what do these mercenaries have to offer? NOTHING!!! They still cling
to their own-made version of history, thereby contradicting themselves and
the above proofs as well as the documented Sunni history, simply to defend
their ignorant statements about the Shia.

Wassalam.

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Jo in posts ko pora parhey usey Rahbar ka water cooler Inaam maiN diya jaye ga.

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

^^
lol

Enemies of Ahl-ul-bait…

So if I say do not worship or commit shirk by asking Mohammed :saw: for things, I am an enemy of Mohammed :saw:…

Similarly, if I stop someone from matam for Shaheeds which is haram, I am an enemy of Ahl-ul-bait…

Well, I guess that makes me an enemy of Mohammed :saw: and Ahl-ul-Bait…lol

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Dude can you like in a sentence or two tell us what this is about? There is no point in reading all this............................

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Abdullah ibn Saba, who is purported to be the founder of shiaism, did not exist.

The not so lengthy posts above :) go into a great deal of detail about the author responsible for the origin of this fictitious character AND the reasons why this character was created.

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

If that’s what you want then who am I to stop you?

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

And you are free to believe whatever you want, who am I to stop you? Even not believing in a person from the history books...

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Err...yeah. Sure!

Your, and I am assuming you are not a shia, "history books" don't seem to have much evidence if any for this bloke.

Shia history books don't support his existence either.

But if you had made an effort to read the posts instead of just making inane remarks you would know that, wouldn't you?

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

I don’t have to read the remarks…I have read enough historical documents that prove that Jesus :as:, Mohammed :saw: never existed…All with historical proofs…Do you want links?

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Ignorance is bliss, so I hear.

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

Maybe...But I certainly didn't believe the author who tried to prove that there was no man called Mohammed and that the Quran is a work of some council...

Maybe it was my ignorance that didn't make me believe him...If that's ignorance, so be it...

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

:D

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

:omg:

Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

i am with you....yes asking from our beloved prophet(pbuh) is haram...if i do this... i am also enemy of Muhammad(pbuh) !!!!!!

and doing matam is aharam as said by prophet(pbuh) ...so if i stop people from them...then i am also enemy of ahle-bait....
if this is "enemity" ...then this enemity is of 1.2 billions of muslims....LOL all muslims are enemies of ahle-bait and prophet(pbuh) .....have you ever read this joke Mr.Contra before !!!!!!