Abbottabad Raid

Came across this article. It gives an alterative view of events. Readers can make what they want from it. I am keeping an open mind.

Abbottabad attack: New revelations

Gen Mirza Aslam Beg

Sunday, May 22, 2011 - From the cool comfort of the White House Obama watched the drama of raid on the house in Abbottabad. This was a CIA operation, meant to fool the world and embarrass Pakistan but the fact of the matter is that the whole exercise was a fake and a lie, same as the 9/11 episode was to find an excuse to launch the Crusade against the Muslim World. On the day of attack, that is 2nd May, I made the comment to the Pakistani media, that “It was a drama and a lie, to embarrass Pakistan. There was no Osama there, attack helicopters came from Tarbela base, carrying an Osama look-alike and killed him in cold blood, in front of his family members who were living in the house.” And that is coming true.

And now, as more information is coming through, it is getting clearer that Osama was killed in 2009 and his bullet ridden photo was published and the same picture was shown on 2nd May 2011, but was immediately withdrawn, when the mistake was realized. The Iranian President, in his recent statement, has said “Osama was captured a few years back and now they have played the drama of killing him in Pakistan for political gains.”

Some of our eminent journalists, who visited the sites and interviewed eye-witnesses, have something very interesting to reveal: “The people from village Kund Hassan Zai of Kala Dhaka, claim that the two helicopters came from the direction of Tarbela, midnight ½ May, flying low, along the river and landed in the fields of Manab Khan, stayed there for about thirty minutes and flew away in the direction of Mansehra. In the morning we saw wheel marks of the helicopters and some trash also.” The locals of Abbottabad living in the proximity of the house said that “The two helicopters came over the house and as they hovered, we saw fire in the compound of the house, which soon got extinguished. If a helicopter had crashed and caught fire, the fire could not have been extinguished in such a short time. Later on, when we visited the site we saw burnt-up plastic pieces with letter ‘NSA’ written on one of the piece. There was no trace of a burnt-out helicopter.” The local school teacher Muhammad Asif revealed: “There is no question of Osama living here for the last five years. This house is located a little away from the main road, on a lower ground. It has no telephone connection and no other communication facility. Other houses also have high boundary walls and we just cannot believe that such a high value target was living there, with no security cover at all.” A neighbour, said: “On several occasions I met Khan Sahib, his brother and children, living in this house but never saw any elderly person. They spoke Pashto, but spoke to us in Urdu. It appears the Americans brought here some one other than Osama and killed him, for a specific purpose.”

A neighbour, Latif Akbar says “on night 01/2 May, due to load shedding, there was no light when the two helicopters came over the house from the PMA side, past mid night. One helicopter threw a flare, which lit-up the area of Thanda Choa – Bilal Town. As the two helicopters hovered over the house, we came-out of our houses and saw about 20-25 soldiers jump-out, close to the outer wall of the house, while soldiers from the second helicopter, came sliding down the ropes inside the house compound. In the meantime, some 20-25 of us neighbours had collected in the lane leading to the house. Suddenly the lights were switched on and one of the soldiers shouted in Pashto: “Lights-off Laka” and soon the lights were switched-off. In the meantime, we heard three explosions and a portion of the boundary wall fell-down. Some of the people who had collected there, rushed inside through the gap, thinking it was Pak Army helicopter, which needed rescue but soon rushed back as they saw the foreigners. A few of these were taken prisoner and whisked away. We heard shots being fired from inside. The operation continued till about one thirty at night. Pak troops came later, when the two helicopters had flown away in the direction of Mansehra. Its surprising that for the next two days, the residents of the area and the media, had free access into the house.”

It is rather unfortunate that the government of Pakistan and the institutions fell victim to this ploy and accepted security lapses without finding answer, to these basic questions: This house was raided in 2009, to capture Abul Faraj and why couldn’t they find Osama then, if he and his family were living there since 2006? Reportedly, two of our fighter aircrafts scrambled, within thirty minutes of the raid, but failed to intercept. Why? Our civilian intelligence apparatus, such as the IB, CID and the SAC (Special Anti Crime) units have the prime responsibility for the security of the urban and rural population. What was their role and why the entire blame has fallen on the ISI? The USA had been our ally for the last half a century and we also earned the title of “most allied ally, and the non-NATO ally of USA” and yet we have been stabbed in the back and are being blamed for failing to protect ourselves, from this “friendly deceit.”

Osama was an alien from mars.
I too am keeping an open mind.

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Have you ever come across an alien from Mars?

However it is normal to present evidence for the death of someone and no evidence has been provided except hearsay in this case. No DNA evidence has been provided, no photos have been shown and the body has been hidden so that nobody can find it.

Some prominent people have stated that he was already dead including BB, and including some people in the intelligence community.

There is a difference in keeping an open mind in relation to something that is possible even if unlikely, and a figment of wild imagination.

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Situation Room during the raid on Ben Lad compound:

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Lol, the article is written by Gen Mirza Aslam Beg.

A former COAS and a total conspiracy nut.

That explains why Arshad is quoting him.

Talk about the blind following the blind. :D

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Here is the author attacking a Journalist.

The guy clearly looks demented. No wonder Arshad posted nonsense from this guy. :hehe:

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As I mentioned in my first post of this thread, I don't have any strong views on this so you can make of it what you want. I was just sharing.

Conspiracy Nut...is someone that is a realist. Conspiracy Nut is someone that questions government spin, lies and disinformation. Don't tell me that governments don't lie as we all should know they do. WMD is a prime example of government lies, spins and disinformation.

When you cannot attack someone for their logic, or based on the facts then you resort to character assassination to fool the stupid amongst us.

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Governments do lie. I never believed that Iraq had WMD and it was proven when no WMD was found.

So the lies and their coverups are eventually always revealed.

Just like the Gulf of Tonkin incident which dragged USA into Vietnam.

But the problem with you is that you hatch this retarded conspiracy theories which fail all logical sense and then provide no proof to back them up and then post tangential arguments which have no bearing on the argument as the justification and drive the conversation into a big circle.

And FYI, you even posted an article written by this bozo about CIA and TTP. :D

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What do you disagree with in the article and and why?

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Osama
Very simple
He was not in domain of any civilian
Civilians are never allowed to touch these matters .Aslam Beg is defending his part as COAS . He was Chief since Zia times . And he was close to this game as a general in Zia Times . Nothing secret and we know nothing .
Abbottabad Commission:
Osama was a old sick man and very sure that he was living with a kidney transplant . As an husband of a kidney transplanted wife and once facing rejection of transplanted kidney I understand the life of a kidney transplanted one . He could not do any thing and can not afford even a small infection . He was weak enough to even not to stand for any long time . every thing was cleared soon after attack and no civilian was allowed to enter in the compound for long time .

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Anything the US says I take with a pinch of salt

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I stand corrected, not martian but alien.

Now I may not have come across aliens personally, as I am sure you have not experienced what aslam beg states, or have you ever come across this?

There are however military experts who speak of alien visits encounters, so I guess if i have to keep an open mind, i have to keep it open to all realm of possibilities.

If he was caught and killed, or killed and caught in 2009, its not that DNA would have evaporated. If it was pre-planned such DNA would have been preserved whether to share it as evidence or to plant it at some encounter site. I mean if police in Pakistan can do staged encounters and bodies show up, surely others can do much better. Why would Pakistan not say anything, or KSA ..where the family of OBL which was at the compound, now lives.

Indeed there is a difference in keeping an open mind and a figment of wild imagination, whats the former for one can be latter for another. I usually think aslam beg has a wild imagination, but when i keep an open mind about his then OBL being an alien has to be factored in there, he was rather tall and lanky.

Occam's razor is not something popular among desis I guess.

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But I am sure if truth could come out ,Obama could not sworn in for a second term yesterday .They killed a sick old man ,not in touch with any thing since years . There was no need to kill him even but if he was caught alive , Many theories including 9/11 may have been known as false .

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didnt truth for things come out at wikileaks? if there is more 'truth' here, either everyone wants to suppress it, including pakistan which is facing a backlash from OBL being caught there, and KSA which has been in the spotlight as well.

Its not as if he was the only person with knowledge that no one else has...

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One is act carried out in our name, and we should have been given clear evidence of his death so that the matter could have been put to rest, however evidence was not presented and therefore it raises concern about the actual facts and the contradictions are picked up. Having spent billions on his hunt, lost thousands of soldiers and invaded a country it would have been important to show his photos, particularly in this information age that we live in. If evidence could not have been provided in 2011 then it should be provided now. It has to be presented at some stage, otherwise suspicions will only increase. If the US wanted to kill him and keep it quiet then they could have done so in 100's of ways and none of us would be demanding proof, but having gone in with such fanfare means that details of the death should be available and when they aren't it does ring some bells with some people.

On the other hand aliens can exist, it is possible however we don't have the knowledge or the technology to confirm either way whether they exist or not. We cannot confirm whether aliens exist and only aliens can confirm whether they exist or not, at least for the moment, and aliens are choosing if they exist to remain silent. However it is a possibility so we should keep an open mind but you cannot equate that with having a slight doubt whether someone is dead or not when you have not been provided any evidence which could and should have been provided.

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I thought you were not personally vested in this and just found it 'interesting' :)

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How he died and why he died and when he died are of no interest to me. However I don't like the fact that our governments cannot trust us enough to give us all the details. If you have the evidence then show it! I don't like nanny states.

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No man, you are doubting the official account, so the onus is on you to show contrary evidence rather than ramblings of a crackpot.
Because I can share ramblings of ppl talking about lizard people controlling the planet, does not make it real.

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X2, Arshad is our resident conspiracy nut.

Haven't you been following the other thread where I have been savaging Arshad5 for weeks for this TTP conspiracy. :D

Oh damn, I had not seen it, just did. Dimagh ka dahi ban gaya. I am outta here :-)