AlexB
You are dismissing everything against Zionism recorded by divine scriptures or historian just by calling it "myth", I don't think that anyone can carry on discussing with you like that.
Well, religious scriptures are not a reliable source, and believing in what they say is a strictly personal matter. Regarding one's subjective beliefs, anyone is free to belief anything that makes them happy, but it has no bearing in an objective discussion.
I do rely on history, a historical science, that is and accept things according to their scientific merits, not because they are for or against something.
I'm leaving you some quotes from an article written by King Hussain's Grand father for you to ponder over.
...................."Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered — a minority in our home. Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more. Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.
We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.
Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?".......................
..................... I was puzzled for a long time about the odd belief which apparently persists in America that Palestine has somehow “always been a Jewish land.” Recently an American I talked to cleared up this mystery. He pointed out that the only things most Americans know about Palestine are what they read in the Bible. It was a Jewish land in those days, they reason, and they assume it has always remained so. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is absurd to reach so far back into the mists of history to argue about who should have Palestine today, and I apologise for it. Yet the Jews do this, and I must reply to their “historic claim.” I wonder if the world has ever seen a stranger sight than a group of people seriously pretending to claim a land because their ancestors lived there some 2,000 years ago! If you suggest that I am biased, I invite you to read any sound history of the period and verify the facts.
Such fragmentary records as we have indicate that the Jews were wandering nomads from Iraq who moved to southern Turkey, came south to Palestine, stayed there a short time, and then passed to Egypt, where they remained about 400 years. About 1300 BC (according to your calendar) they left Egypt and gradually conquered most — but not all — of the inhabitants of Palestine.
It is significant that the Philistines — not the Jews — gave their name to the country: “Palestine” is merely the Greek form of “Philistia.” Only once, during the empire of David and Solomon, did the Jews ever control nearly — but not all — the land which is today Palestine. This empire lasted only 70 years, ending in 926 BC. Only 250 years later the Kingdom of Judah had shrunk to a small province around Jerusalem, barely a quarter of modern Palestine.
In 63 BC the Jews were conquered by Roman Pompey, and never again had even the vestige of independence. The Roman Emperor Hadrian finally wiped them out about 135 AD. He utterly destroyed Jerusalem, rebuilt under another name, and for hundreds of years no Jew was permitted to enter it. A handful of Jews remained in Palestine but the vast majority were killed or scattered to other countries, in the Diaspora, or the Great Dispersion. From that time Palestine ceased to be a Jewish country, in any conceivable sense.
This was 1,815 years ago, and yet the Jews solemnly pretend they still own Palestine! If such fantasy were allowed, how the map of the world would dance about! Italians might claim England, which the Romans held so long. England might claim France, “homeland” of the conquering Normans. And the French Normans might claim Norway, where their ancestors originated. And incidentally, we Arabs might claim Spain, which we held for 700 years. Many Mexicans might claim Spain, “homeland” of their forefathers. They might even claim Texas, which was Mexican until 100 years ago. And suppose the American Indians claimed the “homeland” of which they were the sole, native, and ancient occupants until only some 450 years ago! I am not being facetious. All these claims are just as valid — or just as fantastic — as the Jewish “historic connection” with Palestine. Most are more valid.
In any event, the great Moslem expansion about 650 AD finally settled things. It dominated Palestine completely. From that day on, Palestine was solidly Arabic in population, language, and religion. When British armies entered the country during the last war, they found 500,000 Arabs and only 65,000 Jews. If solid, uninterrupted Arab occupation for nearly 1,300 years does not make a country “Arab”, what does?
The Jews say, and rightly, that Palestine is the home of their religion. It is likewise the birthplace of Christianity, but would any Christian nation claim it on that account? In passing, let me say that the Christian Arabs—and there are many hundreds of thousands of them in the Arab World—are in absolute agreement with all other Arabs in opposing the Zionist invasion of Palestine. May I also point out that Jerusalem is, after Mecca and Medina, the holiest place in Islam. In fact, in the early days of our religion, Moslems prayed toward Jerusalem instead of Mecca. The Jewish “religious claim” to Palestine is as absurd as the “historic claim.” The Holy Places, sacred to three great religions, must be open to all, the monopoly of none. Let us not confuse religion and politics.".........
If we are going for the quotes, I can offer you another one,
"Who can challenge the rights of the Jews in Palestine? Good Lord, historically it is really your country"
--Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi, Jerusalem Muslim dignitary (a letter to the chief rabbi of France, 1899)
In this letter, after making that statement he went on urging the rabbi to abandon the Zionist enterprise despite it, since it might cause problems. Apparently, he found it quite reasonable to suggest that people should abandon their national plight for independence in "historically their country", because it might make someone uncomfortable.
Regarding Abdullah, note that what he was referring to as "our country" was not actually his country at the time. (Although he wished it to be). Moreover, he got a huge piece of territory for his kingdom and his people, 4 times bigger than Palestine, and to which Jews did not pretend in any way, but still did not want to give up on even a small part of the land in Palestine for the Jews.
He was write though that for almost 2000 years, the Land of Israel was predominantly Arabic with very little Jews. It was a horrible injustice that had to be rectified.
The analogies with other people and lands do not quite apply. The Jewish situation is indeed quite unique. No other people preserved their national identity and their connection to the homeland in exile for so long. Unlike, Mexicans, Spaniards, English or French, etc., the Jews lost their state and their homeland completely. Not a part of, not some piece of land were they used live, but they had other lands as well. Jews lost their homeland in its entirety. They never had their own state again anywhere on the planet, no country were they would constitute a majority, no other capital since Jerusalem. The land of Israel, where the Jewish people was formed and attained statehood, remained one and only homeland for them for all times.
So, yes, the situation is rather unique.
This is truly precious.
