A Zionist visitor

blunt don't be a nob, just as Palestinians don't deserve what the Zionists are doing to them, the Jews didn't deserve what the Nazis did to them.

Don't be a prick and deny the Holocaust because I think we're the next Jews.

Not all Jews are Zionists, there are some Orthodox Jewish Rabbis who are against Israel because they consider it against the Torah and Talmud. There are also some reform Jews who are against Israel because they believe they are as American, British and European rather than Israeli and they believe their Synagogues are their Temples rather than the Temple Mount.

I agree with a poster above, the Holy Land belongs to its native inhabitants which are Palestinian Muslims, Palestinian Christians, Mizrahi Jews and Samaritans. Foreign European Jews are European, they have no right to snatch somebody elses land just because a few of their ancestors might or might not have lived there at some point.

Hain?My true conspiracy feelings? What are they and why should I let AlexB know them? lol

I clearly told him how I feel about Zionists and Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Orthodox Jews. Besides, if he's interested he can view my previous posts and threads.

Now stop telling me what to do and what not to do or if you're so keen you can borrow my nick for one day and start posting on my behalf.

Hi Alex

I seemed to have joined this thread quite late. I tried to read through as much as possible. Obviously your intention was to discuss Zionism as the title of the thread suggests. Of all the things you attributed to yourself, Zionism is the most important as it is clearly portrayed in the title of the thread.

There is no dearth of historical facts to point to the atrocities of either i.e. Israelis towards Arabs or vice versa. You being a Zionist are also pre-disposed to cling to the facts which favor your perception or view of things. The difficult thing is not to defend your perception or view but to abandon it when you come to the realization that it is wrong and vengeful. This is equally difficult for a muslims as well. For truth hurts. Now you didn't come here to change your views but to rather find some justification in promoting them. Turn hostility into neutrality to begin with, the natural next step is to turn to favoritism.

We all know the reason Israel exists today is because most muslim countries are dependent on the European and western hemisphere which supports Israel. The day this dependency is gone and muslim countries become strong enough to face off with the superpowers, Israel will be the first country to get a boot. You know it, we know it, everyone knows it. Those who support your existence know it. Its a natural circle of human civilization. One rises the other falls.

My simple question is on what moral grounds do you justify Zionism and based on what do you say it is RIGHT?

So you like anti-Zionist or non-Zionist Jews. Well, it is understandable for an anti-Zionist. May I ask you how you feel about Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, or Salman Rushdie?

Apparently, you have some sort of a bias against Europe and people who lived there. What is wrong with Europe? So the Jews who came to Israel from Morocco, Iraq or Yemen (Mizrahi) are OK, but those who came from Poland, Romania, or Russia are not. Why is that? You now, Europe and Asia are not really different continents. They make a single piece of land called Eurasia.

Dude, Jews from Romania are Ashkenazis, Jews from Bulgaria are Mizrahis. Do you know that Romania and Bulgaria actually border each other?!?!?!

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Here is an example of Israeli apartheid policies which this racist atheist Zionist endorses.

Jimmy Carter: Israel’s ‘apartheid’ policies worse than South Africa’s - Haaretz - Israel News

Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter said in remarks broadcast Monday that Israeli policy in the West Bank represented instances of apartheid worse even that those that once held sway in South Africa.

Carter’s comments were broadcast on Israel Radio, which played a tape of an interview with the ex-president, but did not specify to whom Carter was speaking. But has made similar remarks in recent interviews, such as one to CBC television.

“When Israel does occupy this territory deep within the West Bank, and connects the 200-or-so settlements with each other, with a road, and then prohibits the Palestinians from using that road, or in many cases even crossing the road, this perpetrates even worse instances of apartness, or apartheid, than we witnessed even in South Africa.

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Hello AlexB Khazar,
Why despise your Khazar ancestors and pretend to be “Jewish”?

If Zionism is national movement of Jewish race then you are out of it.

At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and part of the general population followed.

Also, being an atheist, what don’t you think of people who consider themselves “CHOSEN PEOPLE” as RACIST PEOPLE?
Are you Khazars children of lesser G-d?

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Alex Khazar:

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First, I'm a Zionist supporte
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What is Zionism, if not a movement based on racial superiority of one race over other people?
Even the first two letters of the word Zionism are the last two letters of the word NAZI.

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That offer came from Fatah. Hamas, on the other hand, refuses to recognize Israel in any borders, with any status, in principle.
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Aren't Fatah people Palestinians too? Why then did you say that Palestinians rejected 2 state solution?

i know you won a honorary membership to the United Jewish Gay and Lesbian Leisure Club of Canada
congrats.
they just say your pic and made you a member.

Welcome Alex! I applaud your calmness in responding to some very excitable opinions here, and despite plain old bigotry. If you have not been to Pakistan, you cannot know how much hogwash and ignorance and prejudice there is against Jews.

I have studied the Holocaust, for no other reason than I felt compelled to. Maybe because I think as citizens of the planet, as human beings we all have within each of us equal depth of goodness and depth of evil. And some of us must remember. And there are other holocausts (it seems there will ever be, other holocausts) which others of us must remember -- sometimes, when I think of this slaughter or that tragedy, it is all too much, you know? So someone else must study those, remember those. Spread out the witnessing, so to speak. I don't know if that makes any sense.

Anyway, when I watched the anti-Muslim pogrom in Bombay (so it was then) in Jan 1993, and watched the Kristalnacht rampages of the Shiv Sena and the BJP, watching all of that, the same as 1930s Germany, and I managed to get on a flight to Pakistan that week...watching all of that, I knew that there must be a Pakistan, just as there must be an Israel.

Pakistan and Israel have far more in common than they want to admit. Both are refuges for people who simply want to be who they are, practice their religion, raise their families according to their traditions. Both have populations who have gone from being in the minority to being in the majority. Both have neighbors who think they should not exist or who wish to punish them for existing. Both have identity issues, about what it means to be a homeland for a particular religion and to be democratic or secular at the same time. Both are dealing with terrorism and international intrigue. Both have bigots and fundamentalist nutcases. Both have politicians playing the communalism ruse or the reliogious ruse or the exterior enemy ruse to stay in power.

The way I look at it, we are all Jews. There is always someone who will persecute us for what we are or for what we are not. There is always someone who will target us to control the masses. Each and every one of us, whether because of religion or language or colour or economic strata, will be blamed or targetted. That is what I mean when I say, we are all Jews.

It is the Muslims' turn now, this century, that much is clear.

Hi Alex,

Sholom!

I believe there was a holocaust and that 6 million Jews were Gased or killed in the camps built by Germans…that was a most horrific crime.

What I cannot believe is that the State of Israel accepted 2 or 4 Billion dollars in compensation for those killings. Jews are known to be much smarter than that…that was a poor bargain…:frowning:

Those 6 million Jews had homes and businesses in Germany.

Why not claim the Jewish properties back from the defeated Germany and let the Jews settle in Germany where they belong!

There is only 3 or 4 million Jews in Israel right now, if they all go back and live in the Jewish places in Germany on their own…walaa

no more Arab Israeli Conflict…:k:

No more Armageddon either…:slight_smile:

Re: A Zionist visitor

lol zionist
LOL
LOL
I can only pity OP

alll those degrees are pretty much worthless

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Why would anyone with sane understanding of political history and the struggle that man has gone through to bee free ever stand by and support Israel.

Its just mind boggling!

have you been released from a mental asylum, blunt?

no i work in a mental asylum.they brought you too but as per our policy we accept mentally challenged humans but not sexually challenged gays.
we send zionist ball licking apes like you to ghettos.

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@mercenary2k](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/mercenary2k.html)

no offence but are you related in someway with begum nawazish(ali saleem)?
you can become his body double in HUM SAB UMEED SAI HAIN

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moderator has sent me a warning.they have stated that i should stop cursing zionist jews and sexually challenged apes.so if u dont hear from me again then it means i am banned.moderators would be responsible as they themselves sound zionists.

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^^ I am 100% sure that you will get banned before you get to post your 100 post.

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ok they are banning me for cursing you.but you started it.i never said anything to you before

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do u know ali saleem aka begum nawazish ali or juni the dancer?

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if u like jews then must be loving ali saleem(begum nawazish and juni the dancer)