A Veil Closes France’s Door to Citizenship

I happen to support the French court’s decision, but I also think this violates her civil rights.

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A Veil Closes France’s Door to Citizenship

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By KATRIN BENNHOLD
Published: July 19, 2008

LA VERRIÈRE, France — When Faiza Silmi applied for French citizenship, she worried that her French was not quite good enough or that her Moroccan upbringing would pose a problem.

Pierre Verdy/Agence France-Presse

Fadela Amara, left, France’s urban affairs minister and a Muslim, backs a ruling to deny citizenship to a Muslim woman.

“I would never have imagined that they would turn me down because of what I choose to wear,” Ms. Silmi said, her hazel eyes looking out of the narrow slit in her niqab, an Islamic facial veil that is among three flowing layers of turquoise, blue and black that cover her body from head to toe.

But last month, France’s highest administrative court upheld a decision to deny citizenship to Ms. Silmi, 32, on the ground that her “radical” practice of Islam was incompatible with French values like equality of the sexes.

It was the first time that a French court had judged someone’s capacity to be assimilated into France based on private religious practice, taking laïcité — the country’s strict concept of secularism — from the public sphere into the home.

The case has sharpened the focus on the delicate balance between the tradition of Republican secularism and the freedom of religion guaranteed under the French Constitution, and how that balance may be shifting. Four years ago, a law banned religious clothing in public schools. Earlier this year, a court in Lille annulled a marriage on request of a Muslim husband whose wife had lied about being a virgin. (The government later demanded a review of the court decision.)

So far, citizenship has been denied on religious grounds in France only when applicants were believed to be close to fundamentalist groups.

The ruling on Ms. Silmi has received almost unequivocal support across the political spectrum, including among many Muslims. Fadela Amara, the French minister for urban affairs, called Ms. Silmi’s niqab “a prison” and a “straitjacket.”

“It is not a religious insignia but the insignia of a totalitarian political project that promotes inequality between the sexes and is totally lacking in democracy,” Ms. Amara, herself a practicing Muslim of Algerian descent, told the newspaper Le Parisien in an interview published Wednesday.

François Hollande, the leader of the opposition Socialist Party, called the ruling “a good application of the law,” while Jacques Myard, a conservative lawmaker elected in the district where Ms. Silmi lives, demanded that face-covering veils be outlawed.

In an interview at her home in a public housing complex southwest of Paris, the first she has given since her citizenship was denied, Ms. Silmi told of her shock and embarrassment when she found herself unexpectedly in the public eye. Since July 12, when Le Monde first reported the court decision, her story has been endlessly dissected on newspaper front pages and in late-night television talk shows.

“They say I am under my husband’s command and that I am a recluse,” Ms. Silmi said during an hourlong conversation in her apartment in La Verrière, a small town 30 minutes by train from Paris. At home, when no men are present, she lifts her facial veil and exposes a smiling, heart-shaped face.

“They say I wear the niqab because my husband told me so,” she said. “I want to tell them: It is my choice. I take care of my children, and I leave the house when I please. I have my own car. I do the shopping on my own. Yes, I am a practicing Muslim, I am orthodox. But is that not my right?”

Ms. Silmi declined to have her photograph taken, saying that she and her husband were uncomfortable with the idea.

Eight years ago, Ms. Silmi married Karim, a French national of Moroccan descent, and moved to France with him. Their four children, three boys and a girl, ages 2 to 7, were born in France. In 2004, Ms. Silmi applied for French citizenship, she said, “because I wanted to have the same nationality as my husband and my children.” But her request was denied a year later because of “insufficient assimilation” into France.

She appealed, invoking the right to religious freedom. But in late June, the Council of State, the judicial institution with final say on disputes between individuals and the public administration, upheld the ruling.
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“She has adopted a radical practice of her religion, incompatible with essential values of the French community, particularly the principle of equality of the sexes,” the ruling said.

Ms. Silmi, who resides in France as a legal immigrant, will not lose her right to stay. She has given herself until September to decide whether to make another attempt to acquire citizenship.

Emmanuelle Prada-Bordenave, the government commissioner who reported to the Council of State, said Ms. Silmi’s interviews with social services revealed that “She lives in total submission to her male relatives. She seems to find this normal, and the idea of challenging it has never crossed her mind.”

The unease with a very small but growing number of Muslim women wearing face veils is not unique to France. In Denmark, the government barred judges from wearing religious garments and symbols after a rightist political party whose support it needs campaigned for such a ban. Its campaign featured posters showing a judge in a niqab. In Britain last year, a schoolteacher wearing a niqab was told to go home. Several Belgian cities have enacted outright bans on burqas.

M’hammed Henniche, of the Union of Muslim Associations in the Seine-St.-Denis district north of Paris, says he fears that the French ruling may open the door to what he considers ever more arbitrary interpretations of what constitutes “radical” Islam.

“What is it going to be tomorrow?” he asked. “The annual pilgrimage to Mecca? The daily prayer?

“This sets a dangerous precedent,” he said. “Religion, so far as it is personal, should be kept out of these decisions.”

In a sign of the nature of some of the criteria used to evaluate Ms. Silmi’s fitness to become French, the government commissioner approvingly noted in her report that she was treated by a male gynecologist during her pregnancies.

The Silmis say they live by a literalist interpretation of the Koran. They do not like the term Salafism, although they say literally it means following the way of the Prophet Muhammad and his companions.

“But today ‘Salafist’ has come to mean political Islam; people who don’t like the government and who approve of violence call themselves Salafists,” said her husband, a soft-spoken man who bears two physical signs of devotion in Islam: a beard and a light bruising on his forehead caused by bows in prayer. “We have nothing to do with them.”

His wife said that in 2000 she decided to wear the niqab, which is usually worn on the Arabian Peninsula, because in her eyes her traditional Moroccan djelaba — a long flowing garment with a head scarf — was not modest enough. “I don’t like to draw men’s looks,” she said. “I want to belong to my husband and my husband only.”

France is home to about five million Muslims, three out of five of them French citizens, experts estimate. Criteria for granting French citizenship include “assimilation,” which focuses on how well the candidate speaks French. Ms. Silmi’s French is fluent.

Lately, though, President Nicolas Sarkozy has stressed the importance of “integration” into French life. Part of his tougher immigration policy is new legislation to require foreigners who want to join their families to take an exam on French values as well as the French language before leaving their countries.

Ms. Silmi’s husband, a former bus driver who says he is finding it hard to get work because of his beard, dreams of moving his family to Morocco or Saudi Arabia. “We don’t feel welcome here,” he said. “I am French, but I can’t really say that I am proud of it right now.”

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It's the law of the land, and they French Govt. is entitled to upholding its traditions/laws, but i wish they would have termed the refusal in better words than 'Your radical way of Islam is not compatible with French values.'

How is covering from head to toe, by choice, radical? And by whose standard? The wearer or the observer? I too think it does to some extent violate her right(s). But she can still be denied citizenship, if the requirement for citizenship clearly states "Must be a moderate faithful".

In my view, she could/should have been denied citizenship if she refused to uncover her face for the necessity of photographs (which are required for identity purposes), refused to learn French deliberately, or violated french laws.

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Problem is in radical sects, the participant almost always claims they're doing it by choice. But in reality they have undergone some sort of brainwashing that makes them complicit without knowing!

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^But how does one go about determining that without assuming or generalizing? There are plenty of ladies who cover themselves simply because they want to, and they feel comfortable that way.

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In this case they had personal interviews where she was asked and answered certain questions, based on which they made the determination.

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Can you show that please...i'd really like to be able to tell as well.

From what she said, she felt they were assuming she was doing it under the scrutiny of her husband, when infact she denied that and said she does it by choice.

How will you tell her that she's lying when she, herself is saying she does it by choice?

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Emmanuelle Prada-Bordenave, the government commissioner who reported to the Council of State, said Ms. Silmi’s interviews with social services revealed that “She lives in total submission to her male relatives. She seems to find this normal, and the idea of challenging it has never crossed her mind.”
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She married him 8 years ago; she took up niqab in 2000.

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In an interview at her home in a public housing complex southwest of Paris, the first she has given since her citizenship was denied, Ms. Silmi told of her shock and embarrassment when she found herself unexpectedly in the public eye. Since July 12, when Le Monde first reported the court decision, her story has been endlessly dissected on newspaper front pages and in late-night television talk shows.

“They say I am under my husband’s command and that I am a recluse,” Ms. Silmi said during an hourlong conversation in her apartment in La Verrière, a small town 30 minutes by train from Paris. At home, when no men are present, she lifts her facial veil and exposes a smiling, heart-shaped face.

“They say I wear the niqab because my husband told me so,” she said. “I want to tell them: It is my choice. I take care of my children, and I leave the house when I please. I have my own car. I do the shopping on my own. Yes, I am a practicing Muslim, I am orthodox. But is that not my right?”

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It is her choice. Others cannot pass the judgements on her. Some do niqab from a very early age, some are inspired to adopt it later. But that is in no way a proof that just because she started to cover herself, she is under the command of her male relatives, and/or specifically her husband.

I'll take her word against others because she clearly states she does it by choice. Everything else is just assumption and passing judgements.

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ofcourse it is passing judgements - that is the whole purpose of the citizenship process - to judge whether she will make a good enough francoise or not.

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That’s fine. Which is what i said in the first reply that it is the Govt.'s right to refuse her Citizenship. But the basis is wrong.

Unless they ofcourse pass a law that clearly states this, so the future candidates would be aware that ‘If you do Niqab, you are not qualified for French Citizenship because it is deemed Radical’…

That really doesn’t sound too liberal, at all. :bummer:

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mind you, it is not the radical aspect itself that is the full problem - it is the inability to assimilate, in this case due to the shift to radical practice.

also don't lose sight of the fact that they're letting her stay in the country. That is quite nice

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Oh yeah, it's plenty generous.

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seriously generous. she migrates to France, does not want to adopt the french way but in fact becomes more radical than before migrating to France. In spite of that she is allowed to stay permanently in France with her family.

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I bet if she had a low cut clothes or miniskirt showing her privates she would have been granted citizenship without any further question.

OR

If she had proved she had sex with a man or woman in one night with her husband approving it by smiling/enjoying on it .................she would have been consdered a bonafide "Frenchwoman" with a stamp of approval!

Yep. Thats the French liberal way now a days!

Good thing that not a single country that I know in this world requires such silly/illogical requirements to be citizens.

(Now I do acknowledge that based on laws of world these days, citizenship is a privilige and not a right)

Precisly the reason for refusal ...... what happens if she were to refuse to uncover her face after her citizenship saying only her husband can see her face!!!!! So these guys are learing fast ...... After all it is not something new that has happened. In the past also some muslim women in the west have refused to show their face. The point is to show that you are able to assimilate into " french society" ...

Another point is, if a muslim women can go everywhere covering their fcaes, then shouldn't it be same for everyone else. So basically anyone in France can cover her face & say you cannot see me .... even for a driving licence photo. After all if they allow one citizen to do that why would they not allow the others ... then it would voilate their human rights.

That brings me to the point, why do they come to these countries if they think the enviroment is not islamic enough.

Sorry, but its happening all over the Europe. Muslims immigrants have hard time assimilating in European countries & Europeans see them as threat to their way of life & rightly so.

Here is one more example.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-07-16-mosques_N.htm

Mosques increasingly not welcome in Europe

By Jeffrey Stinson, USA TODAY

LONDON — Europeans are increasingly lashing out at the construction of mosques in their cities as terrorism fears and continued immigration feed anti-Muslim sentiment across the continent.

The latest dispute is in Switzerland, which is planning a nationwide referendum to ban minarets on mosques. This month, Italy’s interior minister vowed to close a controversial mosque in Milan.

Some analysts call the mosque conflicts the manifestation of a growing fear that Muslims aren’t assimilating, don’t accept Western values and pose a threat to security. “It’s a visible symbol of anti-Muslim feelings in Europe,” says Danièle Joly, director of the Center for Research in Ethnic Relations at the University of Warwick in England. “It’s part of an Islamophobia. Europeans feel threatened.”

The disputes reflect unease with the estimated 18 million Muslims who constitute the continent’s second-biggest religion, living amid Western Europe’s predominantly Christian population of 400 million, Joly says.

Anti-Muslim sentiment

The clashes also represent a turnaround from the 1980s and '90s, when construction of large mosques was accepted and even celebrated in many cities. “I think the tide has turned,” Joly says.

Indicative of the change:

• Supporters of the Swiss referendum collected enough signatures two weeks ago to call for a constitutional ban on minarets, the towers used to call worshipers to prayer. No date has been set for the vote.

• Italy’s Interior Minister Roberto Maroni announced this month that he wants to close a Milan mosque because crowds attending Friday prayers spill onto the street and irritate neighbors. In April, the city of Bologna scrapped plans for a new mosque, saying Muslim leaders failed to meet certain requirements, including making public its source of funding.

• In Austria, the southern province of Carinthia passed a law in February that effectively bans the construction of mosques by requiring them to fit within the overall look and harmony of villages and towns.

• Far-right leaders from 15 European cities met in Antwerp, Belgium, in January and called for a ban on new mosques and a halt to “the Islamization” of European cities. The group said mosques act as catalysts for taking over neighborhoods and imposing Islamic ways of life on Europeans.

“We already have more than 6,000 mosques in Europe, which are not only a place to worship but also a symbol of radicalization, some financed by extreme groups in Saudi Arabia or Iran,” Filip Dewinter, leader of a Flemish separatist party in Belgium, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide at the conference.

Dewinter criticized a mosque being built in Rotterdam, Netherlands: “Its minarets are six floors high. These kinds of symbols have to stop.”

Although the group in Antwerp represented minority political parties from Belgium, Austria and Germany, its cause resonates elsewhere.

Construction of a mosque in Cologne, Germany, drew protests from residents last year and sparked a political debate in Berlin over concerns that it could overshadow the city’s great Gothic cathedral.

In London, plans for a “mega-mosque” for 12,000 worshipers next to the site of the 2012 Olympics drew 250,000-plus opposing signatures.

Current controversies over mosques represent an anti-Muslim attitude that initially sprang up after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States and the transit bombings in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005, Joly says. Aggravating those views are pressures from the influx of immigrants and growing population of Muslims throughout Europe.

Other events have fueled worries that many Muslims don’t accept Western values: widespread protests by Muslims after a Danish newspaper published cartoons of the prophet Mohammed in 2006, and the 2004 murder of a Dutch filmmaker, Theo van Gogh, by a Muslim extremist in retaliation for a film about abuse of Muslim women.

Restrictions could backfire

Sakib Halilovic, an imam in Zurich, says Switzerland’s referendum to ban minarets “plays into the hands” of Muslim extremists by denying them a place to worship or limit what the mosque can look like.

“It will boost radical positions within the Muslim society in Switzerland,” Halilovic told the Swiss Broadcasting Corp. last week.

Some moderate Muslims say those against building more mosques sometimes have legitimate concerns.

“Truthfully speaking, we don’t need so many mosques,” says Irfan al-Alawi, international director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism in London. “We have 1,600 mosques (in Britain) and a (Muslim) population of 1.6 million. It’s become a business rather than a worship place.”

Al-Alawi, who opposes the London mega-mosque, says disagreements within a mosque can cause some members to branch off and want their own new building that is unnecessary.

The mosques often don’t fit in with neighborhoods or outnumber churches or other religious houses of worship, he says.

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none of this makes sense.
immigration does so much to break the families.

the hybrid and diasporic lives that we have got used to living, have their own hits to the personal sense of dignity.

why split a family? why look at a woman' head scarf to be her limitation? why bring in and combine the counter-productive outcomes of a said fair national legal-system and its stipulations around allowing a foreign citizen with the legal status to stay in the country, with the issue of race?
these are all ethical issues.

petty ulterior motives could harm many things against the weak and the helpless.

no one can make this argument, that the migrated individual is not of any use to the country s/he migrates to.

the dichotomies of obtaining the legitimate status to be in any given country and the fortitude that people have to make use of, in order to withstand all kinds of hardships in getting established in a country, are all very problematic and testing situations for the families and perhaps also for the legal, national, and social systems in which these problems arise.

the age old restenments surface and the collateral damages gain shape only to further hurt the weak. so NO, the decision is not right and the role that the minister played is dubious.

however, what the immigrant could do and should be allowed to do, is to plea her case again.
being covered on one's head with a pieace of cloth, symbolizing her affinity with her faith, is no damn reason to deny her a resident status.

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this is stupid, but within france's legal rights i guess, if criterion for citizenship is as ephemeral a quality as frenchness.

that said suggesting that someone is radical and is submissive based on her veil is very offensive. the government is effectively excoriating portions of the Muslim populace, I wouldnt be surprised if we see random or organized attacks on veiled (or just Muslim looking) women, because civic minded people make the judgement that they are radical fundamentalist salafists wearing straitjackets in offence to french values.

france is looking like the worst place in the western world these days, almost like what england would be if BNP was in power.

LOL

So all women who have are beaten by there husbands in France shud have theri citizenship revoked.

A very valid argument.

Will they make special law for her ?. If a security personal asks her to show her face then she must. If she can ( and is willing to ) abide by french laws in this regard then her case is strong otherwise Judge has rightly denied her citizenship :k: