Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
from this other article i read (sorry no source posted)....the Imam said "a woman who doesnt wear hijab is like "uncovered meat"......
i dunno about you but this quote seems entirely different to me then the one posted in the above article.
makes you think twice about what the media is trying to portray.
** Also....making a comment about the way a woman dresses and saying she deserved to be raped are 2 different things....dont get them confused.**
If they are two different things (which I absolutely believe they are) than why is there need to bring it up when the topic at hand is the rape of that girl? Also, If you don't find anything offensive about the fact that he compared women with meat (which he did even according to the quote that you provided) than you seriously need to gain some sort of self respect.
I personally don't care much about that "uncovered meat" comment, as most Imams are not smart enough to realize the implications of being politically incorrect in the Western world, but just that fact that he was trying to defend/justify that act of rape by using that comment is what truly disgusts me. Also the fact that he probably DOES think of women as uncovered meat (all the talk of politically incorrectness aside) makes it even worse. I'm never the one to judge someone without even knowing much about them but in this case, it is obvious what kind of person this Imam is. He's exactly like so many Imams you can find in Pakistani madrasas. I'm definitely not generalizing, as there are more than just several truly good Imams, but there are also many that have no respect for women and non-muslims what so ever. It wouldn't be hard to imagine one of that kind residing in Australia either.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
AE: what's the point in arguing someone on religion who him/herself is an atheist... If you tell them it is considered adultery in Islam for a muslim woman to marry a non-muslim man; then hear their cries and woos...... :-)
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
i agree...it wasnt a politically correct way of saying it...however like mentioned above...he isnt a politician.
i def dont think women are meat....but isnt that how some men view women as...a piece of meat? they look at them inappropriately and have inappropriate thoughts... perhaps that is what he was trying to convey...that men look at them as a piece of meat...which many of them do...ready to devour.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Good job. The only thing remaining in this thread was to label the rest of us kafirs. Thank you for filling that void. Now have fun out on the alley tonight!
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Being an atheist (whoever you may be reffering too) doesn't make one devoid of moral and ethical values. Islam, as most religions are, is a huge set of moral and ethical values as well as being a way of life. Fact is, the rape was wrong, the justification of that rape was wrong and anyone who justifies that justification is wrong. I know some of you are saying that he wasn't justfying the rape but I fail to see it any other way.
Even if you consider dressing in form fitting clothes to be wrong, please realize the fact that people have different values across the world. In the scenario that occured, I'm sure the girl wasn't intending to get raped. Where as on the other hand, the rapist was fully intending to rape the girl. Now doesn't Islam hold an intention to be of utter importance?
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
AQ bhai, normally i respect you and we get along well, but i believe that comment was uncalled for
Regardless of referring to one person or not, what about all the rest of that agree with the "atheist" on this subject? what does that make us??
once again, nobody, NOBODY, has the right to judge ANYONE else's iman...PERIOD
but i digress
i think the problem here is you cannot separate the two statements...if you say that the way a women dresses makes her like uncovered meat and what do you think is gonna happen to a person like that it is the same as saying that she deserves what happened to her
and yes, people make mistakes and it shouldn't be about catering to any world east or west as much as anyone intelligent in a not only a leadership posistion, but a RELIGIOUS leadership position should be careful of what they say, who they say it to, and about whom they say it b/c they are influencing any number of people
yes Islam encourages women to cover as a matter of modesty and as a preventive measure, but nowhere does it say that if these women are uncovered they deserve to be sexually assaulted
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
I was refering to the AE's response to the person.. All i said not to argue with that person.. she's not gonna get too far with that... that's all I said... I even did not mention my point of view nor did I take part with anyone's... i said 'arguing on religion' ... is it too hard to understand????
or are we going to talk about my intentions now instead of that scholar :-)???
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You know… in the end, after all this arguing..there’s a girl who was raped, whether it was her fault or not… i can’t say how horrific the whol experiecne can be coz ive never experienced it..its just a really sad sad thing to happen, and to be constantly blamed by others, esp by women, that they brought it upon themselves, that’s really sad.. :hinna:
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
i def dont think women are meat....but isnt that how some men view women as...a piece of meat? they look at them inappropriately and have inappropriate thoughts... perhaps that is what he was trying to convey...that men look at them as a piece of meat...which many of them do...ready to devour.
wait wait, Wait, wait. Some men do view women as a piece of meat (case in point is the Imam). Some women also do view men as a piece of meat (happy hour and so on). Women do get raped by men. Men do get raped by men. If women were stronger than men, they would rape men. There have been instances of men being harrassed by women. So let's not get a big fat chip on our shoulders, thinking you're the big victim, when you personally are not, and there are equally bad things done to both sexes.
