is it true according to Islamic law that if someone abandons Islam he/she should be killed ?
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yep! the Prophet(saw) told us that a the blood of a muslim is permissable if he apostates.
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The saheeh Sunnah indicates that it is essential to put the apostate to death.
Al-Bukhaari (6922) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, put him to death.”
Al-Bukhaari (6484) and Muslim (1676) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a previously-married person who commits zina; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of the Muslims.”
The general meaning of these ahaadeeth indicates that it is essential to put the apostate to death whether he is waging war on Islam (muhaarib) or not.
ibn Qudamah said in "Al Mughni"
The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days.
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^ Holy Quran catagorically rejects any worldly punishment for a person who leaves Islam after accepting it .
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An-Nisa (Women) (4) - Roukh 20
O you who believe! be maintainers of justice, bearers of witness of Allah's sake, though it may be against your own selves or (your) parents or near relatives; if he be rich or poor, Allah is nearer to them both in compassion; therefore do not follow (your) low desires, lest you deviate; and if you swerve or turn aside, then surely Allah is aware of what you do. {135} O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His messengers and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error. {136} Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path. {137} Announce to the hypocrites that they shall have a painful chastisement: {138} Those who take the unbelievers for guardians rather than believers. Do they seek honor from them? Then surely all honor is for Allah. {139} And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's communications disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse; surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell. {140}
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I have quoted the whole passage so there shall be no ambiguity about the 'context'
An apostate can be prosicuted if he/she engage in anti-state activities, in case of treason. The punishment of this crime is death in most of the countries even today.
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Code Red Bhai, I did not find the forbidance of killing an apostate in the ayah you posted. Because there is always a punishment for all the sins and crimes hereafter anyway so saying that only ALLAH is the judge in THAT SENSE is merely saying that let’s not punish people in this world.
Can you please, also find me the ayah about Bani Israel where it was told to them to kill apostate among themselves?
Also can you please, find me the fatwaa based on that ayah and the various traditions of the prophet:saw: which suggest that an apostate needs to be called towards Islam three times and if after that he/she rejects, she ought to be killed as per the continuation of the law of Shariat-e-Moosvi?
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Abdullah bin Masud narrated that the messenger of Allah said :
"The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances] : the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and *abandons* the community."
It was related by Bukhari and Muslim
Br. AQ, notice the word 'and' in the above hadith. It shows that there are two conditions to the last case. The second part (abandoning the community) has different definitions according to different scholars.
I think that's the point Br. Code_Red's trying to make.
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code red i found it extremely rude the way u put that! i jus quoted a hadiths frm the Prophet(saw) said, not what my limited mind said. Anwar qureshi is rite abt what he sed. Allah said he will not 4giv them and we know that and the Prophet(saw) who we know explain the Qur'aan to us gave us that ruling? is there a problem wiv what the Prophet(saw) said? if not then explain to me what u think The Prophet meant by that!
please next time dnt b jumpy lest u cause fitnah!
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Capital punishment is not fun or game that we take is so lightly.
I find it extremely rude that Some people find it convenient to ignore commands of Quran and ignore the hadees which endorse Quranic commands
AQ/b] - If you read the verse carefully it says
{136} Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve**, then increase in disbelief, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path. **
You can see that Allah wants to give them more chance to come to the right path, If you kill them after the first disbelieve, you will be denying them the right to believe again, which Allah has ordained to every human being till the time of their natural death 
‘Every disbeliever is a potential believer’. Is that statement right or wrong ?
****faisal as salafi As Quran is a word of Allah, It is the supreme command we have. Hadees can be weak or incomplete as it was heavily dependent on memory of a humans. And we all know humans are prone to errors. however, Faisal as salafi, the hadees you mentioned are not weak but, incomplete as there are more versions available on the same tradition as mentioned by The Hunk
There is another version of the same hadess you mentioned (taken from Sahi Bukhari ) which tells us the three conditions in detail…
**Volume 9, Book 83, Number 37: **
**Narrated Abu Qilaba: **
**Once 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz sat on his throne in the courtyard of his house so that the people might gather before him. Then he admitted them and (when they came in), he said, “What do you think of Al-Qasama?” They said, “We say that it is lawful to depend on Al-Qasama in Qisas, as the previous Muslim Caliphs carried out Qisas depending on it.” Then he said to me, “O Abu Qilaba! What do you say about it?” He let me appear before the people and I said, “O Chief of the Believers! You have the chiefs of the army staff and the nobles of the Arabs. If fifty of them testified that a married man had committed illegal sexual intercourse in Damascus but they had not seen him (doing so), would you stone him?” He said, “No.” I said, “If fifty of them testified that a man had committed theft in Hums, would you cut off his hand though they did not see him?” He replied, “No.” I said, “By Allah, Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”
It is a long narration read the complete naration here
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/083.sbt.html
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aaah tolerance… 
Are you suppose to behead them, stone them or use hypersonic jet fumes to slay them..any ayahs on that?
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^ Well, its the same concept with treason punishable by death in many western countries.
I think the Quran is pretty clear on this. In fact, the one scholar out there who is really big on promoting the idea that apostasy alone is punishable by death is a guy who is not muslim - I think he converted out of muslim or at least has always been non-muslim.
Guy's name starts with a W. (or the last name) Ibn W-something.
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Ibn-warrach? dunno - something like that.
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^ it is not the same thing. You cannot claim divine right to lop someone's head off for leaving a belief system. Plus, since muslims believe quran is the word of god, you cannot change the law unlike you can a law prescribing punishment for treason--even if you were going to go down that foolish path of drawing parallels.
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PD sock it.. the Qur'an doesn't say to kill anyone if they go back on their belief.. as expected.. plenty of hadiths are available which say it should be done.. no surprise.. they're a totally different religion in themself.. have nothing to do with Islam as revealed in the Qur'an.
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PA, of course that is the answer. How come even after 1500 years all muslims cannot agree with whether it right or wrong to lop someone'shead off for apostacy? You tell me. We are not talking about eating bacon or missing a prayer..we are talking about killing someone because they don't believe in their faith of birth.
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there is no CENTCOM for Muslims.. the religion is a 'free for all' in the sense that everyone is accountable for their beliefs and deeds... so u won't find an official Muslim stance like a Catholic one on eating meat on fridays etc..
Now all countries have a bunch of idiots living together and the biggest idiots (or the ones greater in number) band together and influence laws based on their version of the religion (sect) they follow.. so some countries would have more idiotic laws (Saudi Arabia for instance) than others.
if someone wants to sincerely learn the religion and it's teaching.. they need to pick up the Holy Book and start reading.. instead of letting some idiots with a beard be their source of information.
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PA, it is not about Centicom, but more common sense. Unfortuantely, just reading the responses from the top, it is way too uncommon. Hence the derision..from those who find throat slashings to be an abominable response to leaving ones faith of birth. To cite quranic ayas and hadiths to even validate or invalidate such musings is what is silly to me. This is not being anti-islamic..from a sipritual perspective...but call it anti-islamic from a governance/lifestyle point of view.
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may be I know a different context, that is, this ayah is refering to Hypocrites who say they believe but they don’t say such when they are not amonmg muslim.. then they say they believe once they reach among believers. Atleast that’s what I know about this ayah.
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^ I was expecting better than this from you :)
Just because of 'context' I have posted whole passage in arabic, urdu and english
Now I assumed you know Arabic better than me .. And I assume that you know that in quran Allah used different words for unbeliever 'Kafir' and hypocrites 'munafiq' now just read the verse in arabic and find out who is bieng addressed here and read the next verse where hypocrites are addressed
and scrol down to the verse # 139
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{139} And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's communications disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse; surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell.
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It is clear as daylight that who was addressed in that particular verse
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We can tweak the meaning in translation but we can not change the exact words in arabic ...So it makes it crystal clear.
Also about hadees It is obvious that there are many hadees in books which are quoted/narated by different people (same hadees in same book) and there are variation of wordings. Which is understandable, that people may have forgotton some parts, other may have remembered it completely. So It is wise to do a complete research on the serious topics like this as everything thing (quran and authentic hadees) is available very easily.
Again you have not answered my question
'Every disbeliever is a potential believer'. Is that statement right or wrong ?
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codey: you are right in your last line… but you tell me when Allah:swt: addresses Momineen, He uses the words Yaa Aiyo hal Lazina aamano, while never used Yaa aiyo hal lazinaa nafaqu even when pointing out hypocrites’ deeds? you tell me that if that is the case or not?.. the ayah you are refering has two parts …
unbelievers is one thing.. they never believed in anyway.. right?? so there is no way it is refering to them … so who said they believed???.. one were the believers and one were the hypocrites.. right? now read your quoted text in this context.
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Guys,
I'm still confused and want to know the right answer.
Faisal, Code_Red and Anwer bhai,
let's make it simple and tell us all in the view of Holy "Quran" that should the apostate be put to death? Give us a simple reference from Quran and tell us either "yes" or "no"?
Thanks
Umer