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:salam:
As from the above verse, its clear that if someone abandons Islam, he/she should not be done any harm. In the whole Quran - there is no punishment ascribed for such act. However, from the above stated verse we can conclude that Allah[swt] will judge him/her.

:wsalam:

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poori story parhlo ooper ki.

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frm what have i heard..its that if a muslim choses to convert to Ne other religion..he should b killed..but umm there r sum reasons too..like whats forcing them to convert frm Islam to other religion..
I dont know for sure though!

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thanx for clear cut answer of mercy.

Question for all Pro-death people; why are you trying to be blood hound after reading this? :confused:

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Jazak'Allah akhee

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Did we reach a decision that he shouldn't be killed, its left to Allah to take care of him.......

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i fink v cant choose punishments for ppl uno other wise i would have my fiance killed

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killing of an apostate becomes necessary when he joins the enemies of Islam and starts leaking off crucial information to the enemies which can be hurtful for the cause of Islam and muslims....

otherwise if a person just becomes non-muslim and is not causing any fitnah fasaad for muslims, he is not ot be killed....

this is how i understand the killing of an apostate....

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Ibn Warraq...it's a pseudo-name for an anti-Islam author...

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ahahahahahah.

wow..

Everyone interpreting Quranic AYahs, and Hadith like they're all scholars.

Please people grow up. And refer to those who have better knowledge.

Don't try to interpret islam yourselves.

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Crescent--So what is the rite answer ..? Do u know?

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^ no but i will refer to a scholar, who has spent his time studying islam.

Im laughing at those who are trying to interpret Quranic ayahs by themselves...with no background knowledge on islam.

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quite true...........

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are u serious u need to grow up y are u jealous if sumone knows better then u about Islam.there is nothing wrong if somone is trying to figure somthing out on their own.

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faisal the only problem is Allah took garunty of Quran majeed only, so how m i sure that those ahadiths are authentic,sometimes these hadiths go against Quran so wat is someone suppose to do. saray bashar hain everyone make mistakes

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I am still troubled by the rhetoric of some on this forum! Taking human life (whatever the circumstances) is not a trivial matter... 2:256 says "There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been made clear from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in God, then he has grasped the most solid branch that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower." The words used are فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لا انفصام لها.

It is clear as broad daylight! If a "muslim" rejects after having "converted", then what I would understand is that he/she never understood or accepted the Message to begin with. How or why is such an "ex-mulsim" an apostate? Furthermore, what right does anyone have to penalize such a person unless it were in a war situation, and that too if it could be proven that this person was involved in some kind of treachery? Even then, this would be done in a judicial setting with formal procedures to establish legal grounds for executing any level of punishment.

Taking an amorphous mixture of sayings to form a jundement and execution committee, or worse, taking law into your own hands to kill whom one deems an apostate is hardly what I would expect from a rational society. That is the purpose these sayings have served for the most part, and can therefore not not have come from a humanbeing who would be called "a blessing for the worlds"...

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:salam: Bro

I agree upto to the point that Apostacy needs to be accompanied with treason in order for any judgement to be executed and that too by the state authority or whatever body is the legal representative of the system in place. An interesting thing people overlook is that all the hudood prescribed in our religion are related to offenses given against fellow humanity (rape, robbery, killing). Any offense against Allah SWT solely rests within his SWT sole jurisdiction and will be punishable by him SWT only IMHO. A person who Apostates after accepting Islam is for the reason that he never really understood what it was he was testifying to and is not ready yet or he was marginalized unjustly in the muslim society and he returns to his previous one. Once his apostasy takes the face of treason then it is actually intended to harm other humans namely being muslims, this is the point where depending on the circumstances and gravity of threat a more severe punishment which could culminate in capital punishment is an option. The whole argument about taking a murtids life is littered with rational fallacies within the context of the religion or Quran itself, hence IMHO is blown out of proportion by our all too competant scholars.

Now where I disagree is the part about hadith having not come from Prophet Muhammad SAW against the fact that we say He SAW was a blessing for the worlds. I think the context around majority of the hadith is not known or either simply not there and the scholars and people alike have resorted to treating them in a literal context without ifs and buts, and that is where so many fallacy comes in. I am not a hadith-rejector but definitely disagree with how majority of people and scholars choose to interpret them.

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Peace bro,
While the latter part of our dialogue has been a point of disagreement between us, I do certainly appreciate your objectivity and rationalism in the matter. I am also encouraged by your conclusions :) and hope that this is not where it ends.

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Its been at this end for long time now, don't see that yours has changed either.

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I meant about you continuing to undertake your quest to understand "the context around majority of the hadith" which you state "is not known or either simply not there"...