Ok. I know the difference between Muslims and Non-Muslims (including Qadiyanis), but If a Person tells you that he believes in Allah, all prophets, Mohd (pbuh) being the last, Quran, charity (zakat), but says his prayers not five times and not like muslims, would he be considered a muslim? I mean this guy does everything Islamic in my opinion but its the prayer part that gets me. He even went for a Hajj, he followed along. He does drink and does eat pork. What is he?
Edit: The guys last name is Benasoulli dont know the country.
if he believes in those basic tenents of Islam, then he is muslim, no quest bout that. but if he doesn't pray, and drinks alcohol and eats pork, then he's committing haram acts. haram acts such as those don't make one a kaafir, at least not to my knowledge...
does he not do it 5 times out of laziness or b/c he doesn’t believe that 5 times are really necessary? if it’s the latter, i honestly don’t know about any “version” of Islam that says that. since i was 4, ive been taught that u must pray 5 times, and i believe that’s one of the 5 pillars of Islam too. then again, i was unaware of the whole sunni/shia/ahmedi/qadiyani/“ur not muslim i am!!” thing until coming to GS. I naively thought that all Muslims are the same…how childish to think that
hunky dory only thing that makes one a kaafir is saying u don't believe in Allah or the Prophet (SAW) or associate partners with Allah... All those other things, they may be grave sins, but you can always repent for them if you are truly sorry. You can't repent for shirk.
That's true ... but to forgive or not to forgive is in the hands of Allah (swt).
All I'm saying, is that if you do those acts, and die within 40 days of it, you die as a Kaafir. So a person who commits such acts on a regular basis cannot be classified as a Muslim until they have decided to change. In this case, this person doesn't feel ashamed of what he does. You see where I'm coming from ?
Wallaah 'Aalam !!!
I c the point ur trying to make... u have all sorts of ppl doing un-Islamic things all the time, killing, raping, stealing, etc who consider themselves "Muslim"...until u sincerely repent, ur still a Muslim, but just a bad one/harami at that...im not saying what hte guy in question is doing the right thing, but who are we to say if he's truly Muslim or not? if in ur heart u believe you are, then i think that's all that matters. im not saying that just by believing, u won't be held accountable for ur misdeeds, but u can't call some1 a kafir just b/c they do the wrong thing...
You are right, if he believes in Allah and Prophet (SA) we have no right to call him a non-Muslim. He might be a bad Muslim, but not a non-Muslim. Some mullahs might disagree, but then they don’t even agree with each other.
If someone calls himself/herself a Muslim, we have to take their word for it. After that, it is between Allah and him/her.
Do you think any one who is muslim would not go to jahannum??? what i understand. Among muslims too, there are jahannami. To not pray is not the criteria to be jahannami.
anyone who does not offer prayer due certain reason, best known to person and his God. it is between God and that person, all what you have written about his bad habbits. God is all knowing; we do not know he might forgive him, he might punish him, he might put him in hell. There is no hard and fast rule of GOD for someone's disobediency against him.
But those who do not fullfil houqouq ul eibad, they have been declared to be punished according to the committed sin. The person who had taken anyones haq or any one who does crime against humanity would be punished but if the victim forgives him. God would not forgive until the victim forgives the crimnal.
Verizon, he sounds like an Ismaili who drinks and eats pork despite doing so being against the rules of his faith.
Of all the groups that identify themselves as being Muslims, Ismailies are the only ones I know of whos daily prayers do not follow the conventional appearance of namaz.
My ismaili friends were astonished when I told them I did namaz 5 times a day - they only do it on eids. They call daily prayers "dua" rather than "namaz" or "salat".
On the other hand, like your friend, they believe in Allah, all prophets, Mohammed (pbuh) being the last, the Quran, Zakat. They seem undecided on fasting. Apparently their imam says fasting in Ramadan is not obligatory but many of them are unhappy about that and regard it as being fardh.
First of all he ain't mah friend. He is incharge of our lab datacenter and I had to deal with him yesterday for the first time, all that information I dug up in our first meeting, I will see him today and will ask about his religious sect and ethnic makeup. He came across as a very nice gentle peaceful person and since he saw my royal muslim (for all you qadiyani haters eat poop) last name and told me the stuff I posted.
So far PAs response was the best, followed by serious analytical dissection by MS.
We are ordered to not spy on personal way of life of people in order to mock them, according to quran. Find the reference yourself.
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