Alright, so what is the benefit of cursing (a supplication 'to remove mercy' from the person) ? Does that benefit anyone in any way. I am sure the time which is spent in cursing can be used for "useful" purposes. For example. Praying for the guidance of all the human beings (including the bad people)
It is clear that "Cursing" has an element of hatred in it. There are Hadith that tell Muslims not to hate (Bukhari (73:89)) and not to do harm in word or deed (Muslim (1:65)). Islam means peace, and we all know peace and hatred can't live together at the same place. *Please don't confuse Allah's cursing non-believers because HE does a lot of things which HE didn't allow us to do and HE does not do a lot of things which he has ordered us to do. I hope no one says that he would not fast or pray because Allah (s.w.t) also don't do these acts. You are a human so if you need guidence then learn from the perfect human who is NON other than the prophet (saw). AND he NEVER EVER cursed anyone, neither did he encourage or ordered anyone to do so.
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I am waiting for the example of the Prophet (saw) cursing anyone...Let us see if anyone can provide anything from an authentic source. I am sure he didn't curse the people of Taa'if otherwise the two hills would have been joined by the angel and all the people would have been crushed. Apparently common sense suggests a** "Rehmat-ul-Aalameen"** would never waste time in cursing anyone. Right ?
u seem to forget ALLAh does it.... and when ALLAH does it that automatically means its not a low act. .
An act that is suitable for Allah (swt) might not necessary suit human beings.
Pride suits Allah (s.w.t), but is not allowed for human beings.
Humbleness and humility is must for humans, but does not suit Allah (s.w.t)
Allah (s.w.t) gets angry whenever He wants. And Allah has made it Haram for humans (according to a commonly know hadith)
The only example to follow is the Prophet (saw) and I still haven't seen any example posted by anyone where the prophet (saw) cursed anyone. I am not interested in any example of any suhabi, because that doesn't hold much value until we haven't understood the perspective of the King of both the worlds on this matter.
Dear you are copy pasting posts in both of the threads which is making it difficult to follow up, so please select either of the threads to carry on with the topic.
“Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry.”
Pagluu ** The above words were uttered by the blessed Prophet (saw) with reference to Hz. Ali (ra) - This is confirmed by Sunni hadith and also Shia hadith narrations of your infallible Imams**
Your memory is short - we have been through this a few months ago - do a search and please your self -
Dare me and I’ll dig the thread out for you - but then the usual excuses that the Infallibles Imams got it wrong!
Now are you going to start cursing Hz. Ali (ra) [God forbid] for making Hz. Fatimah (ra) angry and the Prophet (saw) too???!!!
Remember the ayah you quoted - Apply to Hz. Ali (ra) for annoying the Messenger of Allah (saw) and thus Allah (swt) too.
Sura Ahzaab verse 57: Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.
Or is it just selective cursing, irrespective of the facts?
"Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."
Pagluu ** The above words were uttered by the blessed Prophet (saw) with reference to Hz. Ali (ra) - This is confirmed by Sunni hadith and also Shia hadith narrations of your infallible Imams**
Your memory is short - we have been through this a few months ago - do a search and please your self -
Dare me and I'll dig the thread out for you - but then the usual excuses that the Infallibles Imams got it wrong!
Now are you going to start cursing Hz. Ali (ra) [God forbid] for making Hz. Fatimah (ra) angry and the Prophet (saw) too???!!!
Remember the ayah you quoted - Apply to Hz. Ali (ra) for annoying the Messenger of Allah (saw) and thus Allah (swt) too.
Sura Ahzaab verse 57: Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.
Or is it just selective cursing, irrespective of the facts?
Assalam Alaikum wrw.
1) Please feel free to dig the thread because then all the people with even bit of aqal in them could see how pathetic some of the arguments are.
2) The aya apply to Hz Ali. now huh?. Bloody brilliant.
1) Please feel free to dig the thread because then all the people with even bit of aqal in them could see how pathetic some of the arguments are.
2) The aya apply to Hz Ali. now huh?. Bloody brilliant.
Hey** Pagluu **- Dear me, have I got your blood pressure up? Don't you worry I will get the reference for you from Shia and Sunni sources that Hz. Ali (ra) did incur Lady Fatimah's (ra) anger.
When I do please do not apply double standards and run for excuses or disown the narrations of infallible Imam (Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (rahimullah))!!
Hey** Pagluu **- Dear me, have I got your blood pressure up? Don't you worry I will get the reference for you from Shia and Sunni sources that Hz. Ali (ra) did incur Lady Fatimah's (ra) anger.
When I do please do not apply double standards and run for excuses or disown the narrations of infallible Imam (Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (rahimullah))!!
w's brother.... Actually i was amused more than anything. We shall see whose blood boils as this thread continues Insha Allah. Remember previous threads...who whinged and cried and took off? ;)
Now run to the Ummaya factory of fabricated hadiths and present something against Imam Ali whom Quran has called NAFS-e-Rasool Allah and his purification is promised by Allah (swt) himself. I will be obliged to show you how pathetic arguments against him made by his enemies really are Insha Allah.
Hey** Pagluu **- Dear me, have I got your blood pressure up? Don't you worry I will get the reference for you from Shia and Sunni sources that Hz. Ali (ra) did incur Lady Fatimah's (ra) anger.
When I do please do not apply double standards and run for excuses or disown the narrations of infallible Imam (Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (rahimullah))!!
No need to make tall claims and rejoice over the information gathered from anti-Shia websites because it may cause you humiliation in the end. Had the anti-Shia websites honest, they would have mentioned the actual stance of the Imams of Ahlulbayt [as] regarding the incident which was fabricated by the Nawasib in their attempt to degrade Ali bin Abi Talib [as].
w's brother.... Actually i was amused more than anything. We shall see whose blood boils as this thread continues Insha Allah. Remember previous threads...who whinged and cried and took off? ;)
Carry on with your colorful imagination - nobody needs to run away from your posts - keep it civil so that I will debate - I don't want get to your low level abusive self.
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No need to make tall claims and rejoice over the information gathered from anti-Shia websites because it may cause you humiliation in the end. Had the anti-Shia websites honest, they would have mentioned the actual stance of the Imams of Ahlulbayt [as] regarding the incident which was fabricated by the Nawasib in their attempt to degrade Ali bin Abi Talib [as].
Oh now I have touched the hornets nest - all worked up - I have not posted anything as yet - I am going to give you references from your own (shia) books - quoting the infallible imam.
So it is ok for you to quote from anti - Sunni sites and not so ok for me to quote from anti shia sites.
Your guys were in acting mode and have now turned to defensiive mode.
Boys it is Ramadan - we should be more praying then this.
w's brother.... Actually i was amused more than anything. We shall see whose blood boils as this thread continues Insha Allah. Remember previous threads...who whinged and cried and took off? ;)
Carry on with your colorful imagination - nobody needs to run away from your posts - keep it civil so that I will debate - I don't want get to your low level abusive self.
Oh now I have touched the hornets nest - all worked up - I have not posted anything as yet - I am going to give you references from your own (shia) books - quoting the infallible imam.
So it is ok for you to quote from anti - Sunni sites and not so ok for me to quote from anti shia sites.
Your guys were in acting mode and have now turned to defensiive mode.
Boys it is Ramadan - we should be more praying then this.
haha, the very people you are trying to defend fleed when it was time for them to prove themselves. Why it doesnt surprise me when u take off :)
Abusive levels? i will let the people be the judge of that.
Defensive mode? boy, somebody is a drunk duck. Wait till your friend Nussairee show up :)
And my advice is for you is not to spoil this thread. Open a new one. Dont wait until u really get "worked up" and then open one titled like u did before "in denfence of Khalifa Umar"... Uthman, Muawiya, Yazid...what not.
Now go and read taraweeh (another "good" biddat as Khalifa Umar puts it himself).
This thread is not going in the right direction. It has been mentioned many times that we should respect each other's beliefs during sensitive discussions. This thread has served its purpose as the question asked by the thread starter has been answered.