I'm a gori so I guess I can supply my thoughts here...
whenever anyone dresses outside of the "norm", they are seeking attention and they WILL get it. This can mean wearing really revealing clothing or wearing really out-of the ordinary clothing. A hijaaban gal will raise as many eyebrows in Manhattan as a gal in a mini-skirt and spike heels (or possibly even more!)
Anyway, most gori/goras feel the same way about this. Dress APPROPRIATELY. This takes into consideration cultural norms, regional norms etc. FIT IN or be stared at, made fun of, ogled or otherwise singled out. And I think this applies to any culture or society anywhere.
No One wants to see their own relative ogled for dressing in an inappropriate manner. Since its human nature to single out those who are "different", gori/goras react the same way when it comes to "their own" - they will try to correct the situation, find out why the kid/person is dressing in a manner such as to attract negative attention.
A person wil be surly ask if he / she had tried to stop other from that nudity. Its right Allah has to judge that but the person who knew, that the girl was muslim and even then he / she didnt tried to stop her will be aksed for that... WHY?
OK at first comes preaching and teaching then comes questioning. **We must teach our people and our owns not to practice such deeds or wear such close and etc. **But if they do then comes questioning that why she / he did?
as like AnGeL EyEs said that when she ask her niece she respect her and do what she says... so its like do and show your youngers what is good and what is not :). NO OFFENSE
rab rakha,
aaho
i totally agree with you ^^
some people may not even know that its not appropriate to dress a certain way. I never even knew what haya was until i was 14. Someone taught me about it....by showing/teaching me.
Its our duty as Muslims to tell their fellow muslim brother or sister if they are doing something wrong. Tell them w/o forcing your beliefts upon them AND show them by being a positive role model....practice what you preach. Thats the best method in my opinion.
whenever anyone dresses outside of the "norm", they are seeking attention and they WILL get it. This can mean wearing really revealing clothing or wearing really out-of the ordinary clothing. A hijaaban gal will raise as many eyebrows in Manhattan as a gal in a mini-skirt and spike heels (or possibly even more!)
Anyway, most gori/goras feel the same way about this. Dress APPROPRIATELY. This takes into consideration cultural norms, regional norms etc. FIT IN or be stared at, made fun of, ogled or otherwise singled out. And I think this applies to any culture or society anywhere.
No One wants to see their own relative ogled for dressing in an inappropriate manner. Since its human nature to single out those who are "different", gori/goras react the same way when it comes to "their own" - they will try to correct the situation, find out why the kid/person is dressing in a manner such as to attract negative attention.
Dressing appropriately varies from culture to culture. In western culture dressing appropriately means wearing a tank top instead of a tube top or wearing sleevelss instead of strapless. I dont see one's husband telling them to dress appropriately when their wife goes to a club with them.
People everywhere talk about, make fun of, ogle at, stare at and generally try to make life a misery for those who are "different". This is true no matter where on the planet you live. Understanding the differences goes a long way toward breaking this vicious cycle.
And just as a btw....when gora type people "look at" or "ogle" hijaabans, its more because they see this gal dressed head-to-toe in a tent whilst everyone else is NOT. So they think "what the heck, does this gal think she's so very special that she needs to hide in this voluminous tent? Gimme a BREAK." A hijaaban in western society garners more attention and "ogling" than if she dressed in conservative western clothing (or HECK, even shalwaar kameez. Come to really think about it, I think a hijaaban would garner more attention than a mini-skirter since its a more unusual thing to see). In Eastern societies, its the polite and right thing to do. So like I said before, it has much to do with where you CHOOSE to live and HOW you CHOOSE to "fit in".
Many of you will not like like what I;ve said here but its the plain truth.
^ It may be true, however that doesnt make it right. Staring is often considered rude in western culture hence these folks are being passively aggressive. Although i agree in the eastern culture, any female regardless of their attire would be balked at in the street, which is mainly due to a lack of manners rather than anything else. So yeah whereever you are, staring shows up the upbringing more than anything else.
i am so glad there are progressive thinking people here that understand how cultural norms vary from place to place...
in earlier times, people's style of dress was heavily influenced by the environment...
if u go to certain regions of Africa they wear very little clothing....it DOES NOT mean they are immoral or lude in any way...they adapt to there own climate
just as in the Arabian desert...the style of clothing men and woman wore had alot to do with there desert surroundings
the traditonal thobe and ghutra was meant to keep men nice and cool in the stark arabian heat...it also helped shielded their faces from the sun and the sand..living a nomadic lifestyle..
i would say the same thing is true for the women...
even in texas...which is extremely hot...i see alot of the construction workers adopt similar attire when they have to work long hours in the heat...
the men put on a cloth or a t-shirt underneathe their hats and helmets to sheild them from the heat....sometimes i see them even cover their faces and tie it in such a way that you can only see their eyes!...im guessing that is to shield themselves from the dirt and dust...
someone earlier stated it very clear....cultural norms are different from place to place and u need to be very aware of that...
if a women in pakistan is wearing shorts and a tank top..yes it would bring lots of bad attention..
but if u are in the UK or US...just because a women is wearing such attire..doesnt mean she wants to sleep with u and it doesnt mean she wants ur attention...it is considered culturally appropriate
yes the cultural shock will always be there for some...but the least u can do is teach ur sons to respect women in general...he will make it alot further in life...
u dont have to change ur ideals...but u should be respectful enough of other people and not attack them for thinking differently than you
^Dressing normal is different from provocatively, I suggest u look up what provocative means, and one who dresses like a you know what is usually a you know what. Sixty/Seventy years ago, women used to dress quite modestly compared to today, its nothing about culture like you say.
but in what culture u are referring too? cultural norms even for europe have not always been as u claim
there were times when woman wore more form fitting clothing and then they went ultra-conservative ...its like a cycle...
and please...i would like proof...with a videotape depicting all the slutty western women that u see everyday..
im in uni..and even for women that are 21-22 years old..they dress pretty normal...with long pants and regular t-shirts..i dont see women roaming the campus in mini-skirts and tube tops..maybe where u live u see that all the time..
and even if some people do it as part of nightlife (clubbing)..that isnt ur concern because u shouldnt be there anyways!
u also forgetting the inlfuence of marketing and pop culture...teens and young adults like to follow fashion
for every woman that u think dresses like a prostitute..i can find 10 more that dress normally...
like i said...if ur a open minded individual..u will learn u cant judge a book by its cover...
im sure a man from saudi arabia..who is used to seeing women in full niqaab would think that Indian women and even some Paki women wearing saris with all their bellying hanging out..and their arms and back all exposed looks pretty provocative..does that mean they are prostitutes???
im in uni..and even for women that are 21-22 years old..they dress pretty normal…with long pants and regular t-shirts..i dont see women roaming the campus in mini-skirts and tube tops..maybe where u live u see that all the time..
and even if some people do it as part of nightlife (clubbing)..that isnt ur concern because u shouldnt be there anyways!
In my school, its a freakin fashion show..u c dumb grlz wearing miniskirts in november-december-january.. esp the russian/albo chix, they show up to class as if they’re going to a club..there are alot of grlz who DO put thought and consideration into their appearance, like clean clothes, nice accessories etc but that’s more fo being professional than dressin like a club ho
I just came back from Pakistan.....and Man!!! do Pakistanis oogle!!! I was talking to a friend of mine about this...its like they can see a lady naked....Such piercing gaze!!!....I used to make fun of desis oogling over here....saying that they stare at you that any time soon I am going to confess that I am related to them.....But man!! it is sooo bad in pakistan...I dont mean to dis Pakistanis...But it is true...Its their stares...they have this serious look and then dont even blink their eyes....You know another thing that happened to us in Muree....there was this guy Videotaping us...My sister told me.....Man! I was Boiling mad!!...He had the camera in his lap and he was acting as if its kjust lying there.....I could see that red Recording light from so far...Anyway...I had the walking stick in my hand....he ran like hell.....BuT got my Dad to confiscate his camera and his friends were apologizing like crazy...I made sure he'll never videotape another person again...the MP's made sure of that......
Besides, if you're wearing shorts in the US you are not that likely to be ogled unless you are extremely good looking or walking past a rude construction site.
*I have been ogled and commented on far more wearing an abaya and niqab in a market in Pakistan. I almost slapped a man in Murree who pinched me twice. So maybe I should reverse the question and ask you how you react to women in your family being ogled on a daily basis in Pakistan?
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you know, this is so true...i have found gora people far more refined than our pakistani own bhaai...in pakistan or even out of pakistan, they gawk at women as if those women are from another planet...and they wouldn;t take their gaze ooff you until u make a really stern lo0k at them...Passing obscene comments is another norm for them! and yes, i have experienced and personally know people who have experienced those disgusting touches! Most Pakistani men are truly DESPARATE for women unlike most gora people.
even in texas...which is extremely hot...i see alot of the construction workers adopt similar attire when they have to work long hours in the heat...
the men put on a cloth or a t-shirt underneathe their hats and helmets to sheild them from the heat....sometimes i see them even cover their faces and tie it in such a way that you can only see their eyes!...im guessing that is to shield themselves from the dirt and dust...
Maybe they dont want to get sunburn or increase the risk of skin cancer?
In my school, its a freakin fashion show..u c dumb grlz wearing miniskirts in november-december-january.. esp the russian/albo chix, they show up to class as if they’re going to a club..there are alot of grlz who DO put thought and consideration into their appearance, like clean clothes, nice accessories etc but that’s more fo being professional than dressin like a club ho