Re: A question to Ahmadis
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Re: A question to Ahmadis
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This is a different topic :)
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But if there is a contradiction, you would follow Masih-e-Maood. So when you wanna tie your arms in Salat, check what Abu Hanifa says, then check what Masih-e-Maood(AS) says, then if there is a contradiction, tie em the way Masih-e-Maood(AS) tells you to. Makes sense?
"Check what Mirza says"? How would you know what he said IF HE DID NOT WRITE ANY BOOK ON FIQH? How would you know of any contradiction if he didn't take any interest in fiqh?
The principle about accepting Abu Hanifa only when he doesnot contradict Qadiani does not mean that Mirza Qadiani followed a new fiqh and that he did not follow Imam Abu Hanifa. It only means that he wants to make sure that certain ruling of Imam Abu Hanifa does not nullify Qadiani himself.
Secondly, you are saying that contradictions can only be between Imam Abu Hanifa and Qadiani. Where are the other three imams? How can Imam Abu Hanifa be correct ALL the time when compared with other three imams?
You agree that Imam Abu Hanifa was a non-prophet, and so were the other three imams. Hence even if Imam Abu Hanifa was right MOST of the time (for being Imam e Azam), he can not be right ALL the time (for not being a prophet). There MUST be some correct rulings in the fiqh of the other three imams when compared to Imam Abu Hanifa.
And if other imams were correct some of the time then where are Qadiani's rulings which show them to be correct and show Imam Abu Hanifa to be wrong?
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BTW I noticed you keep referring to him as only Qadiani? His name is Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS), and if you have hard time saying that since you are a non-believer, you can simply call him Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. you show so much hate towards a person who preached "love for all, hatred for none".
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The word "Qadiani" simply means that he was from the village of Qadian. It is not offensive in anyway.
And I am a Muslim, hence a believer. What is offensive is for you to call me "nonbeliever" in my face.
Do you want me to tell you what I think you and Qadiani are? If you think THAT would be offensive then stop offending me as well.
"LOVE FOR ALL AND HATRED FOR NONE"? Is this how Qadiani followers show "love" to others? By offending Muslims like me right in front of us?
I think Mirza Sahib (May Allah give him the strength) is the caliph of 200 Mio. Ahmadi-Muslims. 200 Mio. more or less are followers of this Man. I want to raise a question and ask our 'enemies' that are we really that blind and follow lies?
Please raise these questions in some other thread. Please do not digress.
Froz fire... good replay... and all other ahmadys here... you have done good job... :)
Did you read my reply to him?
All other Ahmadis here are talking in tangents, instead of concentrating on topic of the thread. If we don't reply to these tangential topics then it does not mean that there is no answer to them.
We choose not to reply to them so that followers of Qadiani don't digress from the thread-topic.
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Followers of Qadiani can not explain why Qadiani, who called himself a prophet, followed a non-prophet in fiqh.
This clearly proves Qadiani's lies and deception.
And followers of Qadiani calling Muslims 'non-believers' shows that they also understand that their religion is different from ours.
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Let us not use any offensive comments against our opponents. We may use the term "Followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed" (in short FoMGA) if people get offended by the words "Qadyanis" or "Mirzais". Or anyone may use any word suitable to them without hurting the feelings of people of any particular sect.
I am humbly reminding again to please only discuss the topic with logical reasoning without any comments against any member that may provoke an angry reaction, otherwise I am afraid will have to lock this thread as well.
Please let us respect each other for the love of Allah (s.w.t) and follow the example of the Prophet (saw), who was the most polite and kind person towards even his worst enemies.
Mirza was born in Qadian. So he was Qadiani, and so people who follow him can be called 'followers of Qadiani'.
There is nothing offensive about it.
What is offensive is some of his followers calling us 'non-believers'.
I agree that everyone should stick to the topic.
So if the Mirza dude was Isa and Mehdi, did he fulfil the roles the two were meant to?
I thought we were going to have peace after Isa and Mehdi, but shortly after Mirza's death we had WW1, which led to British occupation of Palestine, large parts of Muslim land under non-muslim occupation, then WW2, creation of Israel... ?
Mirza himself was born in a land that was not majority Muslim and was controlled by non-muslims, he played no role in the freedom of Muslims in that land and had absolutely no influence in political spheres of the time.
The point of Isa and Mehdi's coming was to liberate Muslims from the oppression of the Dajjal and non-Muslim forces etc, I thought?
Muslims of India by large felt oppressed and did not want to continue living in a Hindu majority country? He did not cater to the plight Muslims in the region (never mind the Muslim ummah around the world)?
Would appreciate clarifications on these issues.
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Jesus (as) was born under the Roman rule. He followed the Jewish Rabbis and was called a Rabbi himself. He spent his youth studying the Jewish law and did not attain freedom for the Israelites from the Roman rule. 300 years later, the Roman empire was a Christian Empire.
The Messiah that the Jews were waiting for was supposed to come from the heavens, leading a military campaign to free the chosen people of God from the oppressors. But Jesus told the Jews to stop fantacizing about sword fights and killing the Romans and concentrate on reforming themselves. Those who joined Jesus, only a handful of believers carried his message to the others and within a couple of centuries they were the true victors. Jews who rejected the true Messiah were rejected by all nations of the world. They were oppressed, massacred, persecuted by almost every race of the world. Even today, they live in fear of war, still waiting for the messiah.
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There is one thing I don't admit on with you. It's a different Topic NOW, but the jews are not living in fear of War Today, they have gained their lost control back and are just waiting to slay the christians and the muslims.
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Jesus (as) was born under the Roman rule. He followed the Jewish Rabbis and was called a Rabbi himself. He spent his youth studying the Jewish law and did not attain freedom for the Israelites from the Roman rule. 300 years later, the Roman empire was a Christian Empire.
The Messiah that the Jews were waiting for was supposed to come from the heavens, leading a military campaign to free the chosen people of God from the oppressors. But Jesus told the Jews to stop fantacizing about sword fights and killing the Romans and concentrate on reforming themselves. Those who joined Jesus, only a handful of believers carried his message to the others and within a couple of centuries they were the true victors. Jews who rejected the true Messiah were rejected by all nations of the world. They were oppressed, massacred, persecuted by almost every race of the world. Even today, they live in fear of war, still waiting for the messiah.
There were many proclaimers of prophethood even in our prophet's time. Muslims called them 'kazzab', liar. Their followers were not necessarily evil people.
There have also been proclaimers of prophethood lately, especially in 18th century. That was the time when Muslims were under European rule. Most of these proclaimers of prophethood were supported by European Christians. These 'prophets' were therefore the most loyal subjects of their masters.
So we see here that all the post by follower of Qadiani is nothing more than a matter of perspective. It does not count as an argument of any sort. This talk does not make Qadiani an imam of fiqh, and fiqh is the heart of calling Islam a religion which touches every aspect of a man's life.
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I can assume that by saying "these Prophets were supported by European Christians" you mean that the United Kingdom of Britannia has planted the tree of Qadiyanism!?
2 crucial questions!
Why isn't the whole United Kingdom Muslim Today?
Why has Mirza Ghulam Ahmad been accused of murder by the British Empire?
I want a detailed question and LOGIC! This Topic isn't done yet!
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Yes. Like the British would want to support a man who openly declared their god to be dead. Who stop the onslaught of christian missionaries in India and broke the myth of cross with strong argument. How clever!
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I want ANSWERS! **or can I say, you haven't any? All your accusations are **FALSE!!?
Truly they are FALSE!!!
You people have not the slightest Knowledge about Ahmadiyyat and yet you talk with us about this Topic, and yet you question our beliefs? How dare you?
The riots began in Hindustan, we were first DECLARED by the Hindustani Muslims Non-Muslims and then the Arabs followed you. Now suffer Hindustan. You want it? You will get it...
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) revived your dead faith! Mosques were empty at this time, the christian Missionaries converted Muslims into their belief. Maulvi Muhammad Siddique became Padre Muhammad Siddique, just a little example. That is the Truth!
You are fighting against Allah? Fight, how long will you stand? Generations have passed, Generations were destroyed by Allah's wrath, yet you have not learnt a single thing from this lesson!
I shall shed some light on how the enemies of Mirza Ghulam and his Khalifs wanted to find out who is right.
The second Khalif Mirza Bashir-ud-din-Mahmood was asked by a Indian Scholar to travel with him from Qadian to Lahore. This so called Scholar - indeed what a great scholar - said, the one who gets flower thrown over him is on the right path, and the one who is pelted with stones is on the wrong path!
Truly, what a great way to find out the Truth and the Righteousness!
Another Indian Scholar asked Mirza Bashir-ud-din-Mahmood to climb with him a high building, jump down to see who survives. The one who survives will be on the right path.
I don't know, shall I cry or shall I laugh? I'm god fearing, I cry. Neither of them would have survived and suicide is Haram in Islam, but who cares?
Follow them, I don't care. Jump from the buildings, do suicide bombings, I do not care anymore.
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then why do you come here and write stuff not related to the topic, **If you don’t want to talk with me on religious matters? Are you really happy for what I have? May I quote you? **
More* futile** efforts…are you still on that recruiting campaign?
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*those are not futile efforts, your way of thinking towards this matter is futile to me/us. I’m not on a recruiting campaign, I want only to get the facts straight and I will insha’allah ANSWER as long as you bring in **futile **arguments.
No one has answered yet, **NO ONE has answered the questions in my Blog,
if you don’t read my Blog, here are the questions:
Every Messenger is sent with a task by Allah!
**Moses (as) was sent by Allah to rescue Bani Israel from the cruel Pharao. Muhammad Mustafa (saw) was sent to stop the worshipping of gods, the habit of drinking, the burrying of new born daughters.
Jesus (as) was sent to collect the lost tribes of Bani Israel. According to your beliefs he was raised to heaven, meaning his task remained unfulfilled!
Is this possible?
It is a simple Question!
**If you don’t want to contribute please skip this thread! Thank You 
If you want to rise your posts, use another Subforum, go to Gupshup Cafè
It is a place, extra made for people like you, to waste your time 
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I can assume that by saying "these Prophets were supported by European Christians" you mean that the United Kingdom of Britannia has planted the tree of Qadiyanism!?
2 crucial questions!
Why isn't the whole United Kingdom Muslim Today?
Why has Mirza Ghulam Ahmad been accused of murder by the British Empire?
I want a detailed question and LOGIC! This Topic isn't done yet!
Please don't try to side-track the thread. If you really want a discussion then answer the questions I asked about Qadiani following Abu Hanifa.
Qadiani followers have been trying to digress from topic right from the start. That was the sole purpose of your friend's post no. 91.
Firstly, no one has the authority to judge or declare when the task of a Prophet was/is completed, that authority is reserved for Allah only.
Secondly, you stated that the task of Jesus was to 'collect the lost tribes of Israel' then you say that he left that task uncompleted, then you continue to say that Mirza was the second coming of Jesus (na-auzubillah), and we all know he didn't collect the lost tribes of Bani Israel, so the task remains incomplete? so your point is what?
Thirdly, Jesus on his second coming will kill Dajal, pray for the destruction of Gog & Magog, after which he will marry and live for 19 years, die and be buried next to the Prophet (PBUH).
The Quran states:
"O people! Mohammed has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:
"The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Sahih Bukhari)
Shortly after the Prophet (PBUH) died a noob called Musailama started claiming he was a Prophet and his tribe Banu Haunaifa started following him, they did not deny the fact that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was Rasul Allah, neither did they believe in any other God but Allah, but the Sahabah at that time declared them apostates. Ahmadis are the same..
The Prophet warned "The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty 'liars' appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim) - Mirza just another one of them...
Conclusion : Everyone except the Ahmadis recognise that Ahmadis are non-muslims.
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There are many ahadith which say that the Hour will not come until Jesus Nabiullah appears in the Ummah..