A question to Ahmadies: what do u say about this....

dunno which mullahs ur talking about but I have found a lot of learned Islamic scholars who have impressed me a lot with their understanding of religion.. its ur faith that Mirza understood more tahn anyone..

lol :hehe: :rotfl: this is the sign, that you guyz have no answers :hehe: your Mujahid of whatever Zia ul Haq said I will destroy this cancer(Ahmadiyyat) now see where is he? :wave:

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*Originally posted by Degas: *

dunno which mullahs ur talking about but I have found a lot of learned Islamic scholars who have impressed me a lot with their understanding of religion.. its ur faith that Mirza understood more tahn anyone..
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I am talkin about those Mullahs who spread HATE in the name of Islam in the whole world, and not those ULEMA of Islam who preach Love, my fav Ulema was Dr Murtaza (I think it´s his name, i forgot it), but he was killed by some stupid ppl :(

Look who’s talking :fraudia:

a guy with many answers here, not only me, many Ahmadi Muslim Brothers answerd here :hehe:

Yes definately with the usual twists, duck’n’diving, the usual ahmadi traits, well done, congrats.:slight_smile:

baray arsay kay baad itni achi post daikhi hay…mirza would have been experiancing worst then this nowadays…

ok most of u and our ulemas consider them kafirs…but zandeeqs have more severe ahkam then kafirs…so why not zandeeq…

may be so that they can be converted back to islam…but yes i am sure mirza was not kafir he was ZANDEEQ

When it’s the will of God

"I had only a few people with me and the opposition was at its height; they were calling me a kafir and a kazib (one who tells lies) and Dajjal. The people looked at me like the one who has been rejected and who has been utterly humiliated. They also opined that the people with me would be dispersed in no time and this Movement would become non-existent. Great plans were hatched and strenuous efforts were made for the achievement of this purpose. A great scheme was prepared against me and a Religious Decree (Fatwa) was prepared by a few Maulvis of this town - thereby they called me a Kafir.

But what I could see - and you too can see - is that those who called me Kafir are no more there - and with the grace of God I am still alive and the membership of my Jamaat has increased.

I think the second Fatwa that was prepared was taken round the whole of India - to all the big cities. Almost two hundred theologians of various categories signed it and affixed their stamps on it. This fatwa was to the effect that this man is a Kafir, Dajjal, Liar, the greatest of the Kafirs. In short whatever anybody could say against me had been said in this Fatwa. Having issued this Fatwa the people (the opponents) felt that this weapon of theirs would finish up this Movement. And the fact is that if this Movement had been a human affair it would certainly have been finished with this weapon - for, this weapon would have been a deadly one for it. But this Movement has been established by God. How could it die out at the hands of the opponents? The more severer became the opposition, the greater was the grandeur and the honour given to it. Today I am grateful to God that whereas there was a time when I came to this town with only a few of my companions, now I am here - and you can see it - with a large number of people. The members of my Jamaat are now no less than three hundred thousands and it still continues to grow and definitely it will reach tens of millions.

Behold, what a great revolution it is. Can it ever be the work of the human beings? The worldly people had desired to put an end to this Movement. Had it been in their power to do so, they would have finished it since long. But this is the work of God the Almighty. Whatever He wills to do, there is none who can stand in His way and stop Him from doing it. And whatever He decides that it will not happen - though the world may decide to get it done, it never happens." (Malfoozat Vol. 8, pg. 214)

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*Originally posted by rally: *

But the ahmadi's will say he did not put HIMSELF in that position, they're belief is he was put in that position by allah.
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You cant prove he wasnt...!

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*Originally posted by rally: *

What I was trying to get across and I think I didn't put it across correctly is that the ahmaddi's response would have been that mirza was put there by allah and no matter how hard you try and quiz them they will always have some cheapscate response to it by referring to quran and sunnah, my argument is the same all the time, if they adhere to the quran and sunnah so why are they still not willing to accpet the finalty of the prophet muhammad(PBUH) which after all IS from the quran and sunnah.
I said this in a previous post now matter what you, me or anyone says they will just take you around in circles. The whole ethos and foundation is built upon lies, deception, distortion and most important of them all MANIPULATION.
Bottom line, waste of time getting into a debate with them. The best we can do is pray and make dua they see islam in it's purest sense and not of manipulation and distortion.
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Because the interpret the Koran and Sunnah in a different way...
How much intelligence does it take to understand that?

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Bottom line, waste of time getting into a debate with them. The best we can do is pray and make dua they see islam in it's purest sense and not of manipulation and distortion.
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Then why are you here?

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

as is the case with other non-muslims, the ahmedis too can not see Islam in its purest state....
blinded by belief in false religions....
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Who are you exactly to say THEY are the ones who are confused and blinded?
They are the ones that are debating, while people like you and Rally sahib have no argument, and can only make accusations and hurl insults...
You people are pathetic.

See what I mean, when you lose your temper and get cornered, you hurl insults and accusaions… And then you call yourself “a mature adult.”
You have the intelect of a tick… :rolleyes:

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Simple, don't believe in the FINALTY of prophet muhammad(PBUH) your out of the fold of islam, ie become a kaffir:(
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You bacome a Kafir if you dont believe in Prophet Muhamad as a prophet of god, and allah as being one...
Not for believe in the finality... Simple as that...

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No not really. By the quran and sunnah;)
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Thats according to you rinterpretation... Who says your interpreatation of quran and sunnah is correct? Your Mullahs?

“One of the objections of those who call me kafir is that they say: This man claims prophethood and says I am one of the prophets. The answer is that you should know, O brother, that I have not claimed prophethood, nor have I said to them that I am a prophet. But they were hasty and made a mistake in understanding my words … It does not befit me that I should claim prophethood and leave Islam and become an unbeliever … How could I claim prophethood when I am a Muslim?”
(Hamamat al-Bushra, p. 79. Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 7, pp. 296-297)
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Perplexing

If u read Mirza's books they are too confusing.. in one place he may say hes a servant of Holy Prophet (PBUH) and at another he say he has all qualities of Muhammad (PBUH) and a mirror, at one place he regards Jesus (PBUH) highly while at others he says he didnt performed any miracle at all.. contradictions abound. His early works are entirely different from later ones.. Ahmadismostly post his good words that were written by hinm at start but refrain mostly from later works that are controvecial..

atleast he dint get flushed down the toilet like some other so-called-heroes :stuck_out_tongue:

:hehe: I think your brain is tooo small :p, cuz now you arent able to think anymore ;).

Btw Hz Masih Maood :as: books, I dont know if u read ORIGINAL or copies by Mullahs, cuz Jews dont understand Holy Quran too and it´s confusing for them :eek:

*** I dont see this argument going any where.... SO the simple way to sattle this matter is... PRAYER... i will think everyone will agree on this...

THOSE who THINK and Believe that Ahmadiyyat is a Lie and Hazret Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is not the mehdi and Imam of this age but he was a lier and kazab. Those people should pray for the distruction of Ahmadiyyat and see Who God is with... IF all what u do go in vain then That means Ahmadiyyat is true.... Go and pray SO GOD SHOULD SHOW U a sign..... If u have fear of Allah in your heart. You will be shown a sign... If u dont then May God Have Mercy on You and guide u on the right path...***

When nothing works all the talk doesnt help then LAST resort is prayer.