Re: A question to Agnosts and Atheists?
Seminole,
...doesn't that make you a theist of some sort? Or is the God question still open for you?
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One more quesion danny..
if humans evolved from monkeys, as u mentioned above... why are there still monkeys out there?
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I have since come to the realization that it is possible to interpret the Bible - and most religious texts - into my belief system w/o believing that every animal in the world was gathered and put on one boat or that the vast universe was created like a magic trick in 7 days. Or that one belief system trumps all others and that everyone else is going to hell.
All the so called book people believe that the one of not there faith are going to hell, that means there will be all the book people in hell, and no one out as there god is the same and the book is written by all of there gods.
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if humans evolved from monkeys, as u mentioned above... why are there still monkeys out there?
i dont know AQ, i'm not a scientist. but as still nowadays we see some genetics problems in animals and humans, and we say oh look what happened to those people, may be there was a messed up monkey that evolved into human. i really dont have an answer for you. sorry. and dont tell me because i dont have an answer i should believe in creation.
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Quran categorically denies that... It clearly tells us that people who follow the prophets sent to them will go to paradise..
now that you are answering my last question.. one more thing popped up in my mind... what was the reaction of your parents about finding out that you are an atheist and how did you handle that? How do they feel about it now?
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Atheism predicates itself on the negation of a belief (rather, all beliefs); but it itself is a belief...I can't accept that internal inconsistency.
Agnosticism always struck me as intellectual cowardice - perhaps it is "fair", but it's non-committal...not what I'm looking for. I actually was functionally an agnostic during the university days...I just didn't find it a pleasant place to be at...
To me, the truth is in history, not in plant life or whatever sci-babble one wants to invoke.
I err on the side of belief; but I feel the connection through history...
I also don't understand laments against "organized religion"; that's a function of human organization and any flaw you can cite against it, I can find dozens more against any other human organizational unit that involves mobilizing populations. To date, I have not heard a satisfactory reason as to why this duplicity with respect to religion is justified.
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No .. that was not my intent.. I wanted to know how much do you know about your faith (or no faith being an atheist)....
Q. Did you try to learn about the God from The Quran itself since you were born in a religious family?
Q. for the above, whether the answer is Yes or no regardless, if offered, will you accept to learn about the GOD now?
Q. Do you think that if offered more rational analysis and answers to all questions that lead you to this path, you will want to come back to what once you believed in, Islam that is?
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now that you are answering my last question.. one more thing popped up in my mind... what was the reaction of your parents about finding out that you are an atheist and how did you handle that? How do they feel about it now?
So all the Christians and jews will go to heaven too, even shia's and ahmadi's and qadianis etc. then why fight them? why kill there kids or burn there temples/churches/mosques etc.
My mom was very upset, but we sat down and had a nice talk about it, (i wasn't very religious to begin with)i handled it OK, and now when comes to friday prayers or eid or jinaza, they dont even ask me. this way we dont get into any debates and we just do what we both think is right.
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I used the words very categorically as well... "Prophet of their time" :)
If a teacher tells you in class that he/she is going to accept the answer only if it is based on the book he/she has taught for this semester and not the previous one because of the curriculum changes, will you still go to the old book and prepare for the exam?
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Humans and Monkeys came from a common ancestor… Monkeys branched of from that common ancestor, and then Human went in a seperate evolutionary line.
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Q. Did you try to learn about the God from The Quran itself since you were born in a religious family?
of course, i finished Quran when i was 11 or 12, then read it again till i was 14 (w/translation)
Q. for the above, whether the answer is Yes or no regardless, if offered, will you accept to learn about the GOD now?
*i learn about it everyday, i'm not a young dog so i cant be taught new tricks. *
Q. Do you think that if offered more rational analysis and answers to all questions that lead you to this path, you will want to come back to what once you believed in, Islam that is?
*i dont think so, i mean i still respect islam as my family is muslim, and i respect all the other religions as well. but what you call rational analysis are most likely not the rational analysis that i believe in. *
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OK... but who was responisble for all that behaviour? and did they really came from the common ancestor is a theory NEVER been proved... so we should base our belief system on some theory that can not be proved?
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...doesn't that make you a theist of some sort? Or is the God question still open for you?
Yes, I am very much a theist. I believe God is everywhere, including in the Torah, the Bible, the Quran and probably most religious texts. I just don't feel the need to limit God to one particular set of ancient texts and belief system. That doesn't make me agnostic, it just makes my belief system something that most don't consider an organized religion even though there are hundreds of millions with this same belief.
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If a teacher tells you in class that he/she is going to accept the answer only if it is based on the book he/she has taught for this semester and not the previous one because of the curriculum changes, will you still go to the old book and prepare for the exam?
*but their are students who were taught and told to believe in that book no matter what, as you are told to believe in yours no matter what. *
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again it was the curriculum for **THEIR **time and it was acceptable then... it is changed **now... the reasoning does not hold any water. It's more of an excuse as 'sour grapes'
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sorry if i said something wrong :)
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WTF is all this about mokeys? Why this bias towards biology? I demand we take this up to primal elements…we are born from the elemnts formed in stars…not just monkeys. Hydrogen folks…not monkeys…you skip SOOOOOO much history…some 19 billion (or more…or less) years worth :halo:
Give the physics guys some respect…screw darwin…
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LOL, hahahahahhaha, hey we’re just trying to explain the creation on limited bases.
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You do get my point about the absurdities of this? There is an irony too...talk to any religious guy about us being formed from the matter spewed from stars, and the answer is always positive...and I have yet to meet an athiest/agnostic who disagrees.
Yet if we trace the history of how we think life formed...for some reason we get stuck at monkeys, on both sides of the debate. It's just silly. Let's move the discussion down the time line...let's all be happy...
Anyway, there are serious philosophical questions about who or what a human is if we take your point of view...one could simply argue that humanity is an intellectual, and not a physical development...or even a spiritual one...
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of course,