A question on burqa/hijab requirements

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One of the most common reasons I have heard cited for this is that Quran demands it to protect women from prying eyes. Doesn’t that sound like punishing the victim rather than the criminal? Instead of that, wouldn’t it have been fairer to declare such lusty prying as a sin and ask the men to stop doing that?

The other reason I have heard, though less often, is that it was intended to protect the sensitive skins from heat and elements, though I doubt if such matters of convenience will find mention in Quran?

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^^^What is your point exactly? Bringing down the verses from Quran would help us understand what you are trying to say. Please mention the exact verses from Quran to support your claim.

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it is in islam that a male will earn gunah if he stare at women again after seeing her face unintentionly in the first chance.

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my mention of Quran is just incidental. Main point is why does Islam make women suffer to protect some lusty men?

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Of course men are asked to lower their gaze too. Islam prevents the sin from both sides... stops men from prying, and stops women from becoming the object of prying.

Disney movies - AND the expectations!!!!!
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Well, if the mention of Quran is incidental (by your part), then I guess you didn’t read what Quran said about this as the answer to your question is being given in the very second verse.

But the answer to your query is;

To eliminate the thriveness of Devdasi system (Religious Prostitution)
Stop the worshiping of Lingam and Yoni
Not to mashroom any authors to write books on Kamasutra
To avoid court marriages
To stop the Yogis of Kashi from Nakedness
To stop dedicating young Harijan girls
To stop Stark naked public bathing
To eliminate Miracle man
To stop the Vedas and Hinduism and Tales of Ramyana
To stop the creation of more like Rishis, and
To stop the production and spreading of AIDS

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It is obvious you have significant gaps in knowledge.

Devdasis are not prostituted - they are divine servants and dancers; by the way civilized societies do look at classical dancing as an art form and all arts are attributable to God. Only perverted societies create obscenity in any art form and then need rules to ban them.

Worshipping of Lingam is no different in concept from muslims going around the kaba. If you have a proble with that, take it up with Islamic scholars

Kamasutra is like any other sutra - the science of passion and love. Again societies that are civilized learn to appreciate love and passion; perverted societies create and struggle with obscenity.

Why do you want to avoid court marriages? A lot better than honor killing marriages

Yogis of Kashi nakedness - so you are saying not wearing a burqa amounts to nakedness? where is your common sense?

I'll go on but until you get some civilization and learn to avoid perversion I'll only be wasting more time.

I asked a simple question about burqa and obviously you don't know or are feeling guilty about what you know, so you lash out on Indians and Hindus

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^ I guess you have got your answer. Its for both men and women to dress up modestly and lower their gaze.

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Just to give a quick glance of what actually it is. Thats if you truly want to understand.

Quran Says:

" Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts etc). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All Aware of what they do."

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) , and protect heir private parts (from illegal sexual acts etc) and not to tshow off their adornmet except only that which is apparent ( like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessaity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves , head ccover, apron etc). and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. thier bodies. faces, necks and bossoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husaband's sons, their brothers or their borther's sons, or their sisters sons, or their Muslim women, (sisters in Islam) or the female slaves whom their right hands posses, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O beleiver that you may be successful. "

Prophet Mohammed PBUH said:

"Beware! Avoid sitting on the roads." Tehy (the ppl) said, O Allah's apostle! We cant help sitting on the roads as these are our places where we have talks." The prophet Mohammed PBUH said, " If you refuse but to sit, then pay the road its right." The said, What is the right of the road, O Allah's Apostle?" He PBUH said, "Lowering your gaze, refraining from harming others, returning greeting and enjoing what is good and forbidding what is evil."

I asked Allah's Messenger (PBUH) about the sudden glace that is cast on the face of a non-mahram. He commanded me that I should turn away my eyes.

Pophet Mohammed PBUH said, O young people! whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power."

Hope this helps.. :)

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Bismillah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem


and how did you reach this conclusion? Have you asked the sisters who observe hijab whether they are suffering? Yes, one reason could be that we want to save ourselves from lustful eyes but the main reason is that because it is the command of our Lord and we are shy. We are acting upon our natural belief and that is to cover ourselves and not walk naked or semi naked. Let me ask you, why do you wear anything? Why not walk naked? Isn't not allowing you to walk naked is oppression and against the freedom of rights?

If you don't like Islamic rulings then no one is asking to you like Islam or embrace it. Let's spend more time arguing about your corrupt methodology which gives rise to such questions and let Muslims do what they want to do. Your methodology of understanding things is completely different than ours and hence you will never understand the reasoning behind Islamic legislation.

actually it is much better to state the reason for asking your question and the main intent behind it in addition to telling about your belief because then it becomes much easier to lay the foundation of the discussion.

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Why does hinduism feed to lusty men so much?

Modesty is taught in christianity, judaism and islam.....but not in hinduism.

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Well what I do not understand is why non-muslim do not object on Nuns wearing that full covered dress… top to toe? :hmmm:

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Good question.

Hinduism is unique in promoting something which other three religions do not.

Knowing OP from his other threads, its not difficult to know his true intentions!

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since you are asking and guessing my intentions, let me state it rather letting diwana run riot with his imagination.

There is this controversy going on about Sarkozy saying they don't want burqa women in France. While discussing that with some buddies I took the position that women should not be COMPELLED to wear burqa. I was told that it is a requirement and that it is intended to protect women from lustful gaze of men. So I asked the question why women should be punished for mens' lust.

Key points to note: I am not saying women should not wear burqa. In fact I object to Sarqozy saying they don't want burqa women in France. I have said it in the other thread very clearly that Sarqozy banning burqa is no different from taleban demanding everybody wear it.

I hope my intention is clear now - I just feel you shouldn't punish the victim.

Now, about the nuns: nobody is forcing anyody to become a nun. Like many other jobs, this one has a uniform (police, army, even medical workers have uniforms). Also note that it is not just women but men priests also wear full outfits called cassocks.

Diwana - your post about Hinduism feeding lusty men is wrong and even though you said it, I think, to insult Hinduism, why is it necessary for you to insult another religion? Can't you make your point without insulting someone else? It is really easy for others to insult Islam in return and then what happens? both sides degrade level of decency. PLs be more decent in future.

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^ Ban regarding Nuns.. exactly thats what i am saying. The uniform can be somthing else too, without covering head too... n a knee lenght shirt too. They are fully n properly covered and they are respected for that. Then why only Muslim women are made target when they decide to wear burqa or abbaya or anything that covers them properly. Why all the questions from her and on Islam?

We are following our religion just like Nuns are doing.

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I have no objection to women wearing burqa. Only if it is made compulsory. Because next thing you know, something like taleban will go around policing women and god forbid if some toe shows, they's threaten to behead the poor woman....or worse

Nobody chose to be borne a muslim woman - it just happened. but people chose to be nuns with full knowledge of what all it impllies. I think that is a critical difference.

And I think it is a wonderful thing in fact for those who women who even when given a choice, if they chose to follow their traditions - whether religious or thnic or custom. Because this the type of tradition that does not harm anyone else and perhaps gives the women a sense being part of a bigger scheme of things. Just don't make it (or ban it) complusorily).

Last person to post in this thread wins!
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So I asked the question why women should be punished for mens’ lust.
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and you’ve yet to explain that it is some sort of punishment. Please show us that it is punishment and I’m still waiting for your response to my earlier post, please respond when you get a chance

and how this is true? are you being honest, you being bias is written all over your response! So according to you Muslim women don’t know anything about hijab, its implication and being a Muslim!? Please tell us where did you get this from?

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punishment in the sense it has to hot inside in a physical sense but more importantly anything one has to do unwillingly / compulsorily is not good. As you know we can put up with extreme physical conditions if we ourselves are interested in it but even the simple thing can become a punishment if we don't want to do it but someone else makes us do it.

On the 2nd one, you misunderstood what I said I think. What I am saying is simply that noone is borne a nun - they chose it. Whereas nobody has a choice as to what household or what gender they are born, right?

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Quran says "There's no compulsion in religion." Quran prescribes certain rules of conduct. It is up to the individual whether to follow these or not. Just like rules about alcohol consumption are violated among Muslims every day, so are the rules about burqa/hijab. No one is allowed to enforce the rules by coercion.

What makes you think Muslim women are oppressed because of hijab? In fact, a majority of them chose to wear hijab of their own free will, and because they feel comfortable with it.

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You have written something which has many flaws.

1- Reading your other posts asking something without backgraound knowledge is the strongest proof of your ill-intention.

2- You insulted islam by saying as if women are being 'punished' for any reason in islam. Obviously another proof you have not read Islam at all.

3- Accusing me of somehow insulting hinduism is so surprising since lust/sex is a main theme of many teachings or stories in hinduism. So in other words, you are pretending to not even know hinduism.

4- No one in the world cares about france or sarkozy so his stupid opinion does not even count. There has been many mad people in the world with skewed ideas and no need wasting time on it.

5- Please do not make it sound like a victim or oppressor stroy. This even makes your intention even more clear.

6- Like I mentioned, modesty is considered a virtue in three religions but not in hinduism.

Please do not ask me to provide proof. This may become a pornographic thread otherwise. Thanks.

Believe whatever you want but do not try to invoke these kind of questions for fun. Learn in your real life about Islam. A forum like this is hardly a site to learn things like that if you are sincere. If you insist, there is a search button above at your disposal.