you see, I believe everyone has the absalute right to wear what ever they want. However, as you can see in the above image there are so many types of clothing that woman wear one cannot really claim which one is the correct version.
I really do not understand why someone would want to wear the above? However in saying that they have the right to do so. however It doenst even look “modest”.
Why does hinduism feed to lusty men so much?
Modesty is taught in christianity, judaism and islam.....but not in hinduism.
Hinduism does not believe that hiding/prohibiting something will necessarily reduce desire for that object. By hiding the body one is just addressing the symptom and not the cause.
If that logic worked, Muslim women in burqa would never get raped and Muslim men would never be rapists.
Modesty/control of desire has to come from within.
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I think to force women into a burqa is draconian. Now if a woman by her own wishes wants to wear a burqa for whatever reason, I respect and support that.
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you are either displaying sheer ignorance or intellectually being dishonest. It has been already made clear that men are told to do what they suppose to do and that is lower their gaze. Then why are you still stuck at "not curing cause but hiding the body"!? Can you and the other friend of yours explain why do we even cover ourselves? Why don't we walk naked? If covering is oppression then it applies to all kinds of covering whether less or more. Please get your common sense straight and not be hypocrite.
1 - Islam has rules and laws and no one is asking you to like them or accept them or act upon them. If someone wants to be a Muslim then by definition they have to submit to these laws. Again, they have the choice, they can choose either one of the two options. You are accountable for what you do. However, it is true that in an Islamic land, the ruler can declare some rulings to avoid greater harm to society and people can be “forced” to submit to justice by one of three means discussed here
2 - You don’t decide what is good or bad for people. The Creator decides what is good and bad for us. If we were to follow your methodology then we run into chaos and destruction of morality. In fact, you people have already lost your natural belief and adopted this corrupt methodology of being able to decide what is truth and falsehood in matter of religion
3 - Why the two faced preachings? Why there are secular laws forcing you to wear anything to cover your private parts? Is that not oppression?
and who is forcing anyone to be a Muslim and wear hijab? Where does Islam says this, I don’t want to hear what Muslims do!? Please bring something from Islamic teachings or stop your utter rubbish.
lastly, I’m still waiting for an answer to my post: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6609020-post10.html
I was responding to a specific question about Hinduism and not commenting on burqa being oppressive 
If someone wants to wear a burqa its their choice, the same way its women’s choice to wear a mini skirt. I don’t believe seeing a woman in mini skirt makes a man any more lusty than seeing one in a burqa.
On the contrary, its men who are used to seeing women covered up all the time that are not able to handle their hormones when they see a bit of skin.
you said “By hiding the body one is just addressing the symptom and not the cause” and my comment was in regard to that.
In fact, this is a straw man, no one is talking about men being more lusty, we are simply saying that mini skirts are more likely to get more attention since they are showing off their stuff and men can please themselves by looking at them. And we are not saying that covered women are totally saved from this but the possibillty of this is low. This is a moderate view unlike the two extreme views, and you adopt one of them; hence, showing ignorance of truth about reality.
really? so basically according to you the men who are used to seeing the skin can handle their hormons. No wonder, many of my collegaues (university - non-Muslims born and raised in west) always talk about women and who is hot and what they want to do with them. Really, which world do you live in!?
really? so basically according to you the men who are used to seeing the skin can handle their hormons. No wonder, many of my collegaues (university - non-Muslims born and raised in west) always talk about women and who is hot and what they want to do with them. Really, which world do you live in!?
So you are trying to tell them that Muslim men who are used to seeing women in burqas don't talk/think about women and what they want to do with them :p
Which world do YOU live in, dude ?
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^get yourself together my friend and stop attacking me with a straw man. Unlike you, we are balanced and don't go around promoting ideas which have no basis in reality, and choosing the extreme views. When did I say that Muslim men don't think/talk about women? I was simply exposing your ignorance or deliberate deception about reality and your bias and extreme views. You don't want others to chose the extreme view that covered man cannot be looked at or Muslims men don't look at women; however, you apply the same mind set and want us to accept the complete opposite - the other extreme. Do you see the big problem with your methodology and how you perceive things?
No big deal.
I really do not understand why someone would want to wear the above? However in saying that they have the right to do so. however It doenst even look “modest”.
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While this is not islamic per se. ** You must not know what modesty is.**
Hinduism does not believe that hiding/prohibiting something will necessarily reduce desire for that object. By hiding the body one is just addressing the symptom and not the cause.
If that logic worked, Muslim women in burqa would never get raped and Muslim men would never be rapists.
Modesty/control of desire has to come from within.
What about women raped by hindu men?
A woman in decent modest clothing and avoiding situation is less likely to be raped.
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a.k.b - chill out, no need to be so defensive since I am not attacking either the burqa or the religion. I am simply asking a question of logic, which I repeat.
If the primary purpose of Islam prescribing burqa is to protect women from prying eyes of men, wouldn't it be fairer to make some rule that makes it difficult for men to so pry instead of mandating it for women.
Someone answered it is already a sin on the part of the men - which is a good and adequate answer to my original question. That was all there is to it. Why get all excited?
What about women raped by hindu men?
That is off topic since we are discussing burqa here, which is a Muslim garb. Feel free to start a separate thread on Hindus and their clothing :)
A woman in decent modest clothing and avoiding situation is less likely to be raped.
Thats an oft repeated stupid arguement often given by men who blame a woman and her clothing (or lack of it) as the cause for rape.
a.k.b - chill out, no need to be so defensive since I am not attacking either the burqa or the religion. I am simply asking a question of logic, which I repeat.
actually you need to reflect upon your intentions and make sure that you don't throw around random rubbish. And if you do this then expect responses in return. Do you want me to further expose your lie and humiliate you!? You attacked the rulings when you stated that burqa is an oppression as it makes women "suffer" by asking them to protect themselves form lusty men. Not that we care about your attacks but try not to show this attitude (like you nothing said) after when your two faced methodology is exposed.
Burqa was oppression and punishment for women, just few posts ago, but now since your own two faced methodology is exposed, you were only seeking knowledge. Really, who you are trying to deceive?
Which logic are you talking about? Do you even have clear train of thought? Why did you not apply this logic on your own secular laws? Why are you now running away when it came to real logic and reality? Why don't you answer my questions about your secular laws?
If the primary purpose of Islam prescribing burqa is to protect women from prying eyes of men, wouldn't it be fairer to make some rule that makes it difficult for men to so pry instead of mandating it for women.
then you need to educate yourself or ask question and not make rubbish assertions.
Someone answered it is already a sin on the part of the men - which is a good and adequate answer to my original question. That was all there is to it. Why get all excited?
answe was given to you before you made the oppression/suffering comment. So what were you doing for so many posts even after getting the answer?
Suppose even if Islam didn't have the ruling for men (lowering gaze), how is it oppression on women or making them suffer for asking themselves to cover to save themselves from lusty men? Why do you have laws for asking women to cover their breasts and not opposing the same law on men? Is this not oppression and asking women to cover themselves to save themselves form stares of lusty men? Why don't you complain about that? If you are so fond of freedom and such then clean your garbage first before questioning others!
The problem does not lie in what question you ask! The problem lies in your corrupt methodology, bias views and deliberate deception about the truth of reality. If Islam does say something then there is an uproar but when same thing is imposed and enforced on you by your secular laws then you pretend as if it doesn't exist and you are so innocent of depriving women of "equal" rights. Please get real and save yourself from this oppressive corrupt methodology which you hold!
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a,k,b - you seem to be hell bent on an argument. as I said, no need for being so defensive. I can engage in long protracted 10 page debates as well but would prefer to do so on better topics. This one is not it. Chill and peace
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^no one is being defensive, simple exposing your two-faced methodology by using the same logic which you applied on us. Do you have problem with applying that logic? You said you had a logical question and so did I!
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^ me? two faced methodology? what are you prattling about?
and what is your great logical question? please keep it short so it doesn't get buried