My Question is this, alot of my non-muslim friends and people who ask me questions about islam ask this alot: dID the prophet, peace be upon him, marry a 9 yr old…Now my knowledge so far into this is basic…and i need an answer that shuts them up…becase we all know what these nonmuslims think.
does anyone have any citations and refs.
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^This question has been asked a million times here but I will attempt to answer it again.
There's no way a non-Muslim would understand this, I know because I don't. The world was a different place 1400 years ago. A man could marry anything that moved, so child marriages weren't uncommon back then. That's the most sensible answer you can give to a non-Muslim. Marriages back then were more about streinghening political/family ties. It's not like Muhammad (pbuh) was the only one who did it, he's put under the spotlight because of his religious status.
^This question has been asked a million times here but I will attempt to answer it again.
There's no way a non-Muslim would understand this, I know because I don't. The world was a different place 1400 years ago. A man could marry anything that moved, so child marriages weren't uncommon back then. That's the most sensible answer you can give to a non-Muslim. Marriages back then were more about streinghening political/family ties. It's not like Muhammad (pbuh) was the only one who did it, he's put under the spotlight because of his religious status.
Very well said. Thank you.
Let's be very very clear!
The QUESTION "Did the prophet, peace be upon him, marry a 9 yr old?"
is in fact NOT a QUESTION at all!
It is in reality an accusation hurled at Mohammad pbuh just to disparage him, based on the social standards prevalent in the West in modern times.
As Miss Noland described it. The world was different back then in terms of daily living, and marriage and family setup.
So we should see if Mohammad pbuh was an honest man, a man who spoke truth, a man who was tolerant and merciful, and a man who upheld justice.
If He pbuh had those characteristics, then he was really good in his time.
And perhaps we should try to be
within the Context of OUR time.
that's the essence of religious teachings of Mohammad pbuh, Jesus pbuh, Moses pbuh, .............
Thank you.
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For god sake people, stop being apologetic. The simple answer is, yes he did. There were few reasons that in that culture, girls were getting married at young age.
Puberty: In warm climate countries, girls hit puberty at very early age. That means they can conceive a child. During times where girls' main responsibilities were to take care of household and raise a family, entering puberty is a good reason to make use of that bodily change and have them married.
Less life expectancy: Normal life expectancy was about 40 yrs in those days. If you wait till a girl hits 20 years of age, half of her life is gone and if she had a girl as her first baby, she may not even live to see her daughter getting married (if the duaghter is waiting till 20 years to get married).
Point is, its easy to criticize a culture when we do not know the dynamics of that culture, and no matter what anyone says, its better to marry a 9 yrs old girl than to drown her in river or burn her alive on the suspicions of being a witch (which was very common in Europe in those days)
Re: a question in regards to our beloved prophet
taking in marriage, even now amongst the muslim community, is not zina. the world has made its own sexualisations, but this sexualisation has no place in islam. marriage is marriage
and indeed aisha (ra) has provided many of the hadiths we rely on for the sunnah of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam
btw there was some doubt in a previous thread about her age. some said 9, others 14 and some even 17 years of age iirc
For god sake people, stop being apologetic. The simple answer is, yes he did. There were few reasons that in that culture, girls were getting married at young age.
It's not that girls "wanted" to get married at that age, they had no
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1. Puberty: In warm climate countries, girls hit puberty at very early age. That means they can conceive a child. During times where girls' main responsibilities were to take care of household and raise a family, entering puberty is a good reason to make use of that bodily change and have them married.
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Misconception. I have only heard that from muslims. All my sources explaining how hot climate affects early onset puberty are Islamic books/websites. I would seriously like to see a non-Muslim source with hard medical evidence to prove this. I have heard of precocious puberty and that's not caused by hot climate, it's an abnormality.
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2. Less life expectancy: Normal life expectancy was about 40 yrs in those days. If you wait till a girl hits 20 years of age, half of her life is gone and if she had a girl as her first baby, she may not even live to see her daughter getting married (if the duaghter is waiting till 20 years to get married).
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So marrying a child at the age of 9 to some 50 year old is ok? That's what doesn't make sense about the old times. It was all about what pleased men the most. If Less Life expectancy was the case, it would be 15 year old boys marrying 9 years old girls not a 50 year old marrying a 9 year old girl. Do you see what I mean? These ARE excuses!
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Point is, its easy to criticize a culture when we do not know the dynamics of that culture, and no matter what anyone says, its better to marry a 9 yrs old girl than to drown her in river or burn her alive on the suspicions of being a witch (which was very common in Europe in those days)
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O I know the culture, it was all about men..That's the only truth. For the rest, you will always find a million excuses.
I have only heard that from muslims. All my sources explaining how hot climate affects early onset puberty are Islamic books/websites.
Its because you never researched pre Islamic times of Arab land. There were people living there before the Dawn of Islam. They were Jews, christian and others. They were marrying girls of young age. Implying that Muslims started that tradition is not only pathetic but shows ignorance.
..... So marrying a child at the age of 9 to some 50 year old is ok? That's what doesn't make sense about the old times. It was all about what pleased men the most. If Less Life expectancy was the case, it would be 15 year old boys marrying 9 years old girls ...
Are you an agist?
Just kidding!
You already know that we make mistakes when we look at 2000 year ago and make these self-professed righteous remarks about the life back then.
those who attack the lifestyle back then are wrong
And
those who want to live like the way they used to live 2000 years ago are wrong too.
Ours are different time.
Having said that.
Marriage should never be about sex, and making babies.
At least one of the parents has to be financially stable as well.
Otherwise when young people have sex, and make babies, and then they cannot afford the baby, then the society at large has to pay for raising the baby.
Got it?
In old time, there was no tax system, no county health system, no food stamps.
If you married a 9 years old girl to a 15 years old boy, there was no way in heck, that they could support their kids. 15 years old boy back then, or even now does not have enough expertise to earn money, and cannot have enough savings.
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We in the modern society have focused too much on age, sex, & babies, and not enough on making sure that at least one of the parents would actually have enough money to raise the kids instead of becoming hopelessly dependent on taxpayers' handouts.
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My Question is this, alot of my non-muslim friends and people who ask me questions about islam ask this alot: dID the prophet, peace be upon him, marry a 9 yr old.....Now my knowledge so far into this is basic...and i need an answer that shuts them up.....becase we all know what these nonmuslims think.
does anyone have any citations and refs.
Hmm, no one has ever asked me that question. People usually like to know about the 4 wives deal.
However if someone does ask you, say yes, he did. Ahan. Aisha (RA) was married to the Prophet (saw) because it was an honor for him and his daughter to be married to such a noble man. By marrying her, she was given the opportunity to learn Islam at such a young age and become one of the women leaders who not only helped spread Islam but also educate other women as she became na-mehram to the Prophet and was able to learn first hand.
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On the same note as BP's, because of wars and no modern health care system, bringing new babies in this world was the only way a society could stay above that threshold population. If they were not marrying girls at younger age, 5-6 generations later, there would not be enough girls left to support the population growth.
Also, marriage was not a big deal back then, it was a part of regular life and people used to get married like we buy a new furniture, maybe not even like that. So saying that was a 9 yrs old girl ready to marry a 50 yrs old guy maybe a mental block for people of our age. Back then, it was a normal thing in society.
Are you an agist?
Just kidding!
You already know that we make mistakes when we look at 2000 year ago and make these self-professed righteous remarks about the life back then.
those who attack the lifestyle back then are wrong And those who want to live like the way they used to live 2000 years ago are wrong too.
Thank you. That's why I have a problem with Muslim countries allowing men to marry 9 year old girls. Supposedly, that's a sunnah for them.
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Ours are different time.
Having said that.
Marriage should never be about sex, and making babies.
At least one of the parents has to be financially stable as well.
Otherwise when young people have sex, and make babies, and then they cannot afford the baby, then the society at large has to pay for raising the baby.
Got it?
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So it wasn't about life expectancy then, now was it? If people were ok with marrying off 9 year girls to 50 year old men due to "less life expectancy" then why didn't the same logic apply to 15 year boys being able to support a family? Since our life expectany was about 40 years then why weren't 15 year old boys expected to take care of a wife? Yet a 9 year old wife was okay! Like I said, these ARE excuses.
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In old time, there was no tax system, no county health system, no food stamps.
If you married a 9 years old girl to a 15 years old boy, there was no way in heck, that they could support their kids. 15 years old boy back then, or even now does not have enough expertise to earn money, and cannot have enough savings.
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So he did not have enough expertise to earn money but she was expected to take care of the house and give birth to babies. Good Logic! A 9 year old, Come on! Don't you see an injustice in that? I don't care how long ago that was, but they knew to treat a woman like a property.
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We in the modern society have focused too much on age, sex, & babies, and not enough on making sure that at least one of the parents would actually have enough money to raise the kids instead of becoming hopelessly dependent on taxpayers' handouts.
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You can say that about teenagers, who know nothing about their future goals. It only goes to show no matter how much time has changed, teenagers and kids are what they are. They should not be pushed into adulthood before they are even ready. Just because a girl reaches puberty at 9 doesn't mean she is ready to make babies mentally. Aisha had no idea what was going on around her. There are Hadith clearly saying the state of her mind when she was being prepared for Muhammad.
Its because you never researched pre Islamic times of Arab land. There were people living there before the Dawn of Islam. They were Jews, christian and others. They were marrying girls of young age. Implying that Muslims started that tradition is not only pathetic but shows ignorance.
That's your assumption. In any case, find me a non-Muslim source.
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There is no need to find you a non Muslim source. Just the fact that no non-Muslim of prophet's time objected on that marriage is the proof enough that it was a common practice back then.
On the same note as BP's, because of wars and no modern health care system, bringing new babies in this world was the only way a society could stay above that threshold population. *If they were not marrying girls at younger age, 5-6 generations later, there would not be enough girls left to support the population growth. *
*Yet Islam allowed four wives, does it make sense? One of the lamest reasons I have heard for this law is that women exceed men in population. *
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Also, marriage was not a big deal back then, it was a part of regular life and people used to get married like we buy a new furniture, maybe not even like that. So saying that was a 9 yrs old girl ready to marry a 50 yrs old guy maybe a mental block for people of our age. Back then, it was a normal thing in society.
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That's really probably how it was! Why? Because men made it a norm and women being the physically weak ones, could hardly do anything about it. Like I said before, it was all about what pleased men.
There is no need to find you a non Muslim source. Just the fact that no non-Muslim of prophet's time objected on that marriage is the proof enough that it was a common practice back then.
Yeah well then next time prepare better.
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Its not about women rights or men's domination. Those practices were there for the society to survive and flourish, given the current situation of that time.
and about the 4 marriages argument, Islam did not allow 4 marriages, islam limited that to 4 marriages. People were marrying as many as they wanted to before Islam. There was hadees where a sahabi had 10 wives from before he converted and he loved them all equally. When limit of 4 marriages came, he had to divorce 6 wives. Hadees says his was the sadest house in madeena that day as all people were hearing were the sahabi and his wives crying.
Yeah well then next time prepare better.
Is not that amazing that you think that Muslim historians are biased but non-muslim historians must be the truth teller. Lol.
Its not about women rights or men's domination. Those practices were there for the society to survive and flourish, given the current situation of that time.
If you really believe that, then I feel very very sorry for you. There's a reason that period is reffered to as the "dark age." If I had to live in that period, I would committ suicide before giving myself to these righteous men you call sustainers of society. I guess you have be a woman to feel the pain and gender oppression.
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and about the 4 marriages argument, Islam did not allow 4 marriages, islam limited that to 4 marriages. People were marrying as many as they wanted to before Islam. There was hadees where a sahabi had 10 wives from before he converted and he loved them all equally. When limit of 4 marriages came, he had to divorce 6 wives. Hadees says his was the sadest house in madeena that day as all people were hearing were the sahabi and his wives crying.
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Again, it was the women who got displaced. Why wouldn't they cry, they had no where else to go.. Had there been better options for women, he wouldn't even have 10 wives. Yes, I know "MEN" could marry as many women (things) they wished, Islam put a limit BUT continued the tradition.
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Is not that amazing that you think that Muslim historians are biased but non-muslim historians must be the truth teller. Lol.
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No, I don't think that; hence, I look for sources that do no necessarily satisfy my opinions. For this particular subject, I have yet to find a non-Muslim source that states the effects of hot climate on puberty. Now if you don't have anything to propose, then kindly admit it. I am genuinely interested in looking at the evidence. I cannot find it anywhere. If you find it, do present it.
Thank you. That's why I have a problem with Muslim countries allowing men to marry 9 year old girls. Supposedly, that's a sunnah for them.
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You are welcome!
In today's world tribal societies regardless of their religion, allow mistreatment of women and children.
It is not Islamic/Christian issue, it is tribal world vs. civilized world issue.
peace!
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^ But it's far worse in religious countries. So are you implying that religious folks tend to be more tribal? If so, I don't disagree with that at all.