A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

[queen_24]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@diwana

Good insightful posts Queen_24!

[Deeba1234]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

A lot of Muslims attended the unveiling of the Xmas tree in Bethlehem yesterday..

‘The Palestinian Prime Minister, Rami al-Hamdallah, Mayor of Bethlehem, Vera Baboun, a number of ministers, Governor Abdul Fattah Hamayel, Muslim and Christian clerics, foreign diplomats, representatives for civil and popular institutions and international institutions participated in the festival that was held in Bethlehem’s Manger Square.’

Source: Bethlehem Celebrates the Lighting of Christmas Tree at Manger Square

Don’t know why everything has to be so controversial with us.. Not marrying our parents’ choice, women going to work, not living with inlaws etc. We love to make things difficult for ourselves and scream, haram, haram!! A generation ago in our culture women wearing western clothes despite being fullly covered was also considered ‘unIslamic’ :rolleyes:

[Reha]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@queen_24

Hindustan was not a Kaafir country. Hindustan divided in two parts and now it is India and Pakistan. Before the division, the entire nation was one and Muslims and Hindus, both were living in there. I don’t know why is it difficult for you to understand that, No, Sharara Gharara is not a Hindu/Kafir dress code. And by the way, who said, Pakistani Culture is Hijaab and Abaya?? Nowhere in Quran it is mentioned to wear Hijab and Abaya but has been said, “apni orhniyan neechay karo”. According to me, sharara gharara to even shalwar qameez aur abaya se bhi zada dheela hota hay. Iske pehenne main koi mumaniyat nahin hay.

Also, NO, I did NOT married a British Native either. Me and my husband both are Pakistani. We fell in love in Pakistan. We got married in Pakistan. It is true that he spent almost a decade in west, but at the time of our marriage, he had already come back and settled in Pakistan. It’s just because the economic situation of Pakistan that lead him to move back to UK.

I am very disappointed to tell that even after telling you again and again that my intention here is not about abc vs xyz, yet again and again, you are bringing it in the discussion, grouping and saying, raising your kids with OURS, living next to US… etc.
This is not me who is PLAYING the vs game. The minute you understand my intention and point, I don’t think even you would want to proceed this baseless discussion any further.

This is not about Pakistan vs any XYZ country(at least to me)!! this is about Muslims. & tum aur main dunya ke kisi bhi konay main rahain, we will always belong to the same religion, so I would politely request that ye You and We ka chakkar choro, lets discuss it being one Muslim nation..

Agar aap kehti hein ke hijab aur abaya Muslim libaas nahin hein to hum maan lein. Kyun ke apne kehdiya. Lekin hum agar Turkey khayein to gunah gaar hein. Double standard kyun hai bhai? Kis liye?

Hindustan was a non-Muslim country where Muslims resided and also wore a certain dress because of the culture and region both were a part of.

Turkey is eaten by Muslims and non-Muslims living in a certain region BOTH are a part of.

Samaj ayi?

It is a baseless discussion.

After reading post after post of this anti-West garbage…I feel even luckier to be who and where I am.

I’d never want to be so full of prejudice against anyone.

A Muslim nation we cannot be because a REAL Muslim nation would never attack its own but unfortunately our religion is famous for that.

[squidward_tentacles]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

“If someone isn’t what others want them to be, the others become angry. Everyone seems to have a clear idea of how other people should lead their lives, but none about his or her own.”
― Paulo Coelho, *The Alchemist

*​:chai:

[madz124]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

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Ishqey karaan adam keetaa mehram yaar yagaanaa,
Aahey malek ibadet jogey, keeh haajet insaanaa.* **

God has created a unique creature (man) only for love,
Whereas angels were already enough to worship Him.**

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Aur hairat ki baat ke hum log aapas main lar lar ke hi mar jaayen ge.

[el_topo]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@diwana

It really does not matter if non-Muslims give gifts or offer host of well wishes on Eid day, including those events arranged by politicians arranging Muslim Iftar in Ramadan. What good has this ever brought to Mslims at large? Seriously!

It should really not matter for Muslims if someone actually converts/reverts or whatever to Islam from being Non-Muslim.
(Please read it very carefully again) Why? If someone converts to Islam, that is his/her personal act.

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People need to be true to their hearts and a lot of Non-Muslims communities including Jews, Buddhas, Hindus, Sikhs even Christians do not approves or follow Christmas as a religious holiday.

Some Muslims without thinking, and just to remove their own anxieties, fear or false impression of being somehow considered outcast act against their self proclaimed beliefs.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but the question was very much in par with the position some posters stated that it really does not make any difference to their faiths even if they act outside their faith, just to feel good or have fun.

No valid reason so far has been provided from minority of these Muslims to justify acting against their beliefs.

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Even though I was very carefully selective in my questions to a very selective group of Muslims who find it fun to participate in activities against their beliefs, if anyone has problem with it then the questions can be directed to people of any religion or holding any religious beliefs **who feel they need to partake in religious activities of people who do not belong to their OWN religions and are living in a country or at a place where majority people follow different religion or beliefs. **

Continued…

I see.
The irrelevancy of half that post tells me that our discussion appears to have found its natural end. Until our next disagreement then. :\

[queen_24]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@Reha

Agar aap kehti hein ke hijab aur abaya Muslim libaas nahin hein to hum maan lein. Kyun ke apne kehdiya. Lekin hum agar Turkey khayein to gunah gaar hein. Double standard kyun hai bhai? Kis liye?

Hindustan was a non-Muslim country where Muslims resided and also wore a certain dress because of the culture and region both were a part of.

Turkey is eaten by Muslims and non-Muslims living in a certain region BOTH are a part of.

Samaj ayi?

It is a baseless discussion.

After reading post after post of this anti-West garbage…I feel even luckier to be who and where I am.

I’d never want to be so full of prejudice against anyone.

A Muslim nation we cannot be because a REAL Muslim nation would never attack its own but unfortunately our religion is famous for that.

Dear, aap kuch na maanen. It’s ok I don’t any issues with your opinions. I have answers to your above post as well but I don’t want to keep it going with teri-meri thing. So let it be what you think and what I think. Because we two oppose it, means either of us is right and wrong jo ke beshak Allah janta hay, Agar tum ghalat ho to Allah tumhe hidayat de aur agar main ghalat hun to I pray ke Allah mujhay hidayat de!!

[Geezer]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@Deeba1234

A lot of Muslims attended the unveiling of the Xmas tree in Bethlehem yesterday..

‘The Palestinian Prime Minister, Rami al-Hamdallah, Mayor of Bethlehem, Vera Baboun, a number of ministers, Governor Abdul Fattah Hamayel, Muslim and Christian clerics, foreign diplomats, representatives for civil and popular institutions and international institutions participated in the festival that was held in Bethlehem’s Manger Square.’

Source: Bethlehem Celebrates the Lighting of Christmas Tree at Manger Square

Don’t know why everything has to be so controversial with us.. Not marrying our parents’ choice, women going to work, not living with inlaws etc. We love to make things difficult for ourselves and scream, haram, haram!! A generation ago in our culture women wearing western clothes despite being fullly covered was also considered ‘unIslamic’

The problem with Pakistani society is that we are too open to take any kind of bull **** thrown on us in the name of religion and then it becomes more and more acceptable. This kind of nonsense is never taken seriously anywhere else.

[diwana]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@Deeba1234

A lot of Muslims attended the unveiling of the Xmas tree in Bethlehem yesterday..

‘The Palestinian Prime Minister, Rami al-Hamdallah, Mayor of Bethlehem, Vera Baboun, a number of ministers, Governor Abdul Fattah Hamayel, Muslim and Christian clerics, foreign diplomats, representatives for civil and popular institutions and international institutions participated in the festival that was held in Bethlehem’s Manger Square.’

Source: Bethlehem Celebrates the Lighting of Christmas Tree at Manger Square

Don’t know why everything has to be so controversial with us.. Not marrying our parents’ choice, women going to work, not living with inlaws etc. We love to make things difficult for ourselves and scream, haram, haram!! A generation ago in our culture women wearing western clothes despite being fullly covered was also considered ‘unIslamic’

Wayn Wayn Wayn!

This can be considered as ranting, and as a **stomping, pouting, hands holding to the chest (fake and exemplary) kid **who asks his/her parents…

…" Mommy Daddy! Why can’t we put up a Christmas tree in our house just like others do? All I want to do is to have fun"!

The world’s smallest Violin is being played somewhere in this world for you.

@Reha

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Samaj ayi?

It is a baseless discussion.

After reading post after post of this anti-West garbage...I feel even luckier to be who and where I am.

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**There is nothing anti-west about this thread.
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This is the same reason I started this thread **where Muslims or those who say they are Muslims, think, if they did not partake in religious activities of majority religion of West, they will be considered anti-West. **

Hence they develop the anxiety and in order to overcome this anxiety, they tend to over-react, overshoot and end up acting against their own beliefs.

Other Non-Muslims have no such problem on a big scale since they are not being the target of negative propaganda by media…on constant and consistent basis.

Thanks a bunch for reconfirming my position.

BTW Reha! Have you even read or tried to understand my posts in this thread? Seriously?

P.S. I do not agree with any ‘fatwa’ which says Thanksgiving celebration is wrong. No religious basis for it.

@el_topo

I see.
The irrelevancy of half that post tells me that our discussion appears to have found its natural end. Until our next disagreement then. :\

If it makes you feel happy that my entire post was for you and are unable to pick and choose what was meant towards you so you can answer,… then it is fine by me.

I tried to answer to many posts and thoughts in those posts…in one go.

[Reha]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

To answer your question diwana - I rarely read your posts. Once in a blue moon if they’re short I’ll skim otherwise I do not.

Your posts are - predictable and almost textbook in nature. Some people will find them validating and some will be looking for actual opinions.

I find opinions interesting…even if they clash with mine.

[dhanya_podena]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

^which textbook is that ?

[diwana]

Re: A question for Muslims who feel they need to conform to perceived expectations

@Reha

To answer your question diwana - I rarely read your posts. Once in a blue moon if they’re short I’ll skim otherwise I do not.

Your posts are - predictable and **almost textbook **in nature. Some people will find them validating and some will be looking for actual opinions.

I find opinions interesting…even if they clash with mine.

That explains a lot.

Thank you for the ‘complement’ and… I am sorry if my posts make you feel like you are back to Iskool.