A Question for members of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat

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Oh yeah I was told they get disassociated from their jamat. Meaning they cannot participate in jamat activities but they can still come to the mosque to pray. It is announced in front of everybody that so and so is being thrown out of the jamat. It is suppose to be I guess pretty bad. My friends mammo was thrown out of the jamat because apparently he was framed for gambling so he was thrown out of the jamat. So he said his mammo had to write a letter asking for forgiveness to the khalifa so that he would let him back in the jamat. He was writing these letters for years and years before he was allowed back in the jamat. They have to like beg for forgiveness from the khalifa before he will let them back in. They also have to make a request years in advance before they can meet the khalifa. The same person that I mentioned above told me that he put in his application to meet the khalifa years ago and is still waiting for a response. I was like oh hmm thats uhh..different?

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This is off topic, but i will try to answer it to the best of my abilities.
Are you saying that God is not allowed to speak to anyone anymore? If God chooses to speak to somone how can you argu against it? Did God promise somone that He will not talk to anyone after our Holy Prophet (saw)? All His attributes are eternal. If He talked to people in the past He can talk to people in the future.

To the marriage issue. Lets talk about the consequences of such a marriage. Would the children be of the opinion that Imam Mahdi has come or the contrary? In almost all societies the father is the dominating figure in the household. So it is natural for the father to guide his children to his own belief. Exceptions are where both the father and the mother have no importance of religion in their lives. Even in such a case the children would have no religion. And why would a non-Ahmadi muslim want to marry an Ahmadi girl who is Kafir in his opinion? So when Ahmadis forbid their girls to marry to non-Ahmadis they have the future generation in mind. You see emotional arguments are great to stirr emotions but serve no purpose other than to cause misunderstanding. Do you approve the marriage of a non-Ahmadi girl to an Ahmadi boy? This is very strongly firbidden by most non-Ahmadi Ulema.

And to your final question: I consider you what you consider me.

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Yes Sadz, she definitely got disassociated from jamat for marrying a MUSLIM.
I have even read on an Ahmadi website that if an Ahmadi marries a non-Ahmadi muslim, he/she is no better than a Kaafir.
That's really sad and really makes me wonder if we actually belong to the SAME religion?????

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This is off topic, but i will try to answer it to the best of my abilities.
Are you saying that God is not allowed to speak to anyone anymore? If God chooses to speak to somone how can you argu against it? Did God promise somone that He will not talk to anyone after our Holy Prophet (saw)? All His attributes are eternal. If He talked to people in the past He can talk to people in the future

Sorry bro but it's as lame as it can get :|

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Well you are right about the fact that ahmadies and non-ahmadies not marrying. Obviously your children would be confused and I don't think its wrong for either side to oppose the marriage of the two. It never happend post I think it was 1974 because I have a sunni friend who has a khala which is ahmadie but the rest of their khandan is sunni.

I dont think God doesnt speak to people but I was just a lil taken back by what this ahmadie friend said. So why is it that God only speaks to the khalifa? The khalifa is obviously just human like everybody, nothing special right? So why only him? I am only asking since I havent really heard anybody else claiming that God speaks to them or maybe their is and I just dont know.

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First of all, i don't consider anyone as kafirs or anything. You would have noticed that i did not talk about Hadith or Quran, we can argue on the basis of both Quran and Hadith all day, i am rather talking about real life experiences.
For the people calling Ahmadis kafirs or non muslims, they definitely have a HUGE reason for that ( Fianlity of prophethood can never be questioned and you can deny all you want but directly or indirectly you have produced another Prophet who recieves messages and has khalifas as well who also recieve messages from Allah)

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The bottom line is that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani la'natullahi 'alaiyh was a fitnah for this Ummah and Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala punished him severely for the lies he spoke, the lies he wrote, and the people he misguided. A man who claimed that he was Hadhrat Isa (as), Imam Mahdi (as), and Rasul-Allah (saws) all in one is clearly astray and outside the pale of this deen.

This man, was punished and cursed. He died on the toilet from a disease known as cholera, and his intestines literally came out. This was his azaab from Allah azza wa jaal for the mischief he created.

And on top of all that, he was a disgusting little british spy.

I am sorry you may all hold your own beliefs, but this is clear for me and this is where I stand. No one has the right to spread such mischief, no one I don't care what excuses anyone comes up with. Such a person is dealt with swiftly. My advice to all is to not follow those whom have gone astray and follow such teachings.

Read their mis-translation of the Qur'an, and I say mis-translation because their commentary is completely WRONG. They claim that Isa (as) died a natural death in Kashmir. They are liars and fitnah mongers. Stay away from anyone who teaches such ridiculous things.

Stick to those who are not proud, nor are they arrogant. Be with those who are righteous and do not transgress limits. Their plans will lead them into the hellfire, they should know that Allah azza wa jaal also plans.

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I never said that God only speaks to the khalifa. There were alot of companions of the Promised Messiah to whom God spoke. And the present Khalifa has not claimed that God has talked to him. But it is our belief that the Khalifa is chosen by God, so He guides him. The guidence doesn't have to be spoken but Allah can guide his heart to perticular decisions in different matters.

There is no point trying to stretch an already overstretched issue. My belief is that the basic question that everyone should investigate is this: Prophet Mohammad (saw) prophesized the coming of a reformer. Has he come or not? All the other differences can be resolved after this fundamental question is answered. We Ahmadis believe that this reformer has come and present quite alot of evidence to support it.

You see Prophet Mohammad (saw) said that even if you have to cross glaciers on ur knees to reach Imam Mahdi, you should do it and give him my salam. So the issue of the coming of Imam Mahdi is not a minor thing that one can just take lightly. A person has claimed to be the Imam Mahdi, it is every muslims' responsibility to investigate his claim from his own writings and sayings and NOT be satisfied with wot other ppl say about him. This should be done very sincerly with an open mind and one should also pray to God for guidence. If one is not satisfied with the truth of this claimant then his/her matter is with God. God knows the matters of the heart and only he can judge whether a decision was sincere or not.

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This is not even worth spending my time on. I would like to ask you only this: do you remember the Holy Prophet (saw) using such language about his opponents? Aren't you suppose to follow his noble example? Well i will say only this: Lanat-ullah hai alal-kazebin.
May God's curse fall on the liers: whether that be me or you.

No need to argue after this and I will not post anymore replies because it is pointless.

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You won't spend your time on it because you cannot argue against it.

Please show me where anywhere it states that Rasul-Allah (saws) will re-manifest himself in the form of a man from Qadian!???

If the Ahmedi's/Qadiani's wish to serve a purpose, then they should know that their leader has done an extremely blasphemous and dangerous thing - an insult on our blessed Rasul-Allah (saws). Be gone with such fallacies.

Rasul-Allah (saws) said about the Khawarij, that they are the dogs of hellfire. Just how Sayyidina Umar (ra) said to a man from the Khawarij, "Ya Rasul-Allah! Give me permission to kill him!" because a man came to Rasul-Allah (saws) and told him to 'fear Allah.' Upon hearing this Rasul-Allah (saws) told the man, if I do not fear Allah than who will fear Allah?

Musaylimah the LIAR who was one of the false dajjals who came after the time of Rasul-Allah (saws), claimed himself to be a Prophet, and Sayyidina Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra) sent Khalid bin Walid (ra) to fight him and make him surrender and go back on his words or else he would have been met with severe punishment.

I am not afraid of your tactics at trying to tell me that aren't I supposed to follow his example. I give my life for my Leiglord the Messenger of Allah (saws).

Qadian was one of the false dajjals.

Do you know the punishment under Shari'ah for insulting Rasul-Allah (saws)? Be my guest and enlighten me...

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Well their has been predictions of false prophets, but as for actual prophets from Allah ehh...questionable no? khalifas or whatever other name you would like to give to them. ehh a bit off topic but I just thought I would throw it out their and see if anyone can verify umm authenticity maybe I read something on an ahmadie missionary which was set up in palestine it was pretty interesting. Apparently they were funded by the Zionists and British some time in the 30's?

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Chacha, i won't say too much but we have had some people claiming to be prophets even before Mirza Ahmad, why didn't you try to reach them by crossing glaciers on your knees????
They made the same claims and supposedly recieved messages from Allah as well.
Funny thing is that 80% of the muslims (in ARAB where Islam originated) don't even know the so called Messiah has not just arrived but died YEARS ago :)

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Yeah I havent seen any Ahmadies which are other then Punjabies. I've seen a couple of white ppl but no Arabs.

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Sunni Islam is in such a pathetic state these days, they have no right to judge anyone else. Either they are protesting no issues, or blowing themselves up someplace, its just ridiculous... They day Sunnis get their act together is the day they can sit in judgement of other peoples beliefs.

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Well how can you point fingers at sunnis or any other sect? Their is no one sect which is free from all evil. Ahmadies are no exception. Their are good and evil people in all different religions. So I suggest you take a look at yourself b4 you point fingers.

LOL How do you know they are all Sunnis? Have you met them all personally? You only know what you see and hear on TV perhaps.

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LOL!! WHAT THE HECK IS SUNNI ISLAM?? :omg:

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Oh yeah, you have hit the nail on the head. Who are we to question someone who is claiming to be a prophet, we should look within ourselves first and let the future prophets hijack our religion :)

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Well if we are in such a pathetic state then shouldnt their be a prophet coming soon to reform our religion? From what I understand Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came because Muslims were in great distress at those times and he had come to reform Muslms right? Sooo shouldnt their be someone else making an appearance soon since we are worse of then when he first claimed that he was the promised messiah?

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thread closed :)