A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

[Texan_Dude]

Re: A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

@Ibn Sadique

Do you think that or dear Prophet (saw) will be given someone who is impure? Imagine that! Don’t you think our dear Prophet (saw) deserves some one pure?

lol its amazing … I have heard alot of sunni saying Nauzubillah… Prophet P.B.U.H. uncle Hazrat Abu Talib who raised Prophet P.B.U.H… not to mention even though Khanae Qaba was there at Mecca.. his house was chosen for Dawatul Asheera… and yet nauzubillah he was a kaffir… hmmm now let me reword what you just said…

Do you think that or dear Prophet (saw) will be raised by someone who is nauzubillah Kaffir? Imagine that! Don’t you think our dear Prophet (saw) deserves some one who is muslim? or why was his house chosen over Khanaey Qaba or is Hazrat Abu Talib a muslim??? or when it comes to wives… its gotta be pure and it doesn’t matter who raised such a pure personality or whose house is chosen to held the first dawat of islam???

Its amzing how far you go contradicting yoruself.. in your struggle accepting the truth… let me quote you what you said earlier… in your post 108

@Ibn Sadique

It is the some with the battle of the Camel. The Sunni stance is that the Hz. Ali (ra) was on the right and his opponents in the wrong because their ijtihad was erroneous, though they were sincere in reaching that decision.

Read what you said earlier … and try to answer the following question you just asked…

@Ibn Sadique

Do you think that or dear Prophet (saw) will be given someone who is impure? Imagine that! Don’t you think our dear Prophet (saw) deserves some one pure?

and if you are still having a hard time open the quran we all believe in and read the following ayat of Quran…

@Texan Dude

O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.[33"32]

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.[32:33]

The first command in this verse “stay in your houses” was violated by A-isha when she went to Iraq to organise a mischievous campaign against Ali about whom the Holy Prophet said: “O Ali, you are to me as Harun was to Musa. You are my brother in this world and the hereafter. Your flesh is my flesh, your blood is my blood. You and me are from one and the same light.”

Isn’t it amazing to see how you contradict yourself… but oh why am I not suprised … its not the first time now is it???

In regards to the following ayat…

@Ibn Sadique

*Bad women .are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. **Good women are for good men and good men are for good women ***24:26 [Translation Shakir]

*Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure and **women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity: **these are not affected by what people say: for them there is forgiveness, and a provision honourable. *24:26 [Translation Yusufali]

Read the following commentary on the ayat above.. it suites the context of the questions I asked earlier and also the other ayats in the chapter…
www.al-islam.org/quran

This verse says that the wives of the Holy Prophet are free from impurity of adultery.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

This verse is like verse 3 of this surah. There is no legislative significance. The pure consort with the pure, and the impure with the impure. It refers to the general pattern of human behaviour.

Shakir 24:3] The fornicator shall not marry any but a fornicatress or idolatress, and (as for) the fornicatress, none shall marry her but a fornicator or an idolater; and it is forbidden to the believers.

Verse 10 of At Tahrim says that the wicked wives of Nuh and Lut betrayed their purified husbands, the prophets of Allah. To remove the contradiction it is necessary to restrict the meaning of the cleanness to chastity and impurity to adultery in this verse, because it was revealed in connection with the accusation of adultery. “They are free from what they say” confirms it. Verse 10 of At Tahrim clearly accuses the wicked wives of the two prophets of disloyalty to their husbands. The wives of the prophets are free from the dirt of adultery but they are not free from other evils.

Also the following verse of Quran contradicts your interpretation of ayat…
[Shakir 66:4] If you both turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined (to this); and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders.
[Shakir 66:5] Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.

Now let me requote what you asked earlier to justify your interpretation of the ayat…

@Ibn Sadique

Do you think that or dear Prophet (saw) will be given someone who is impure? Imagine that! Don’t you think our dear Prophet (saw) deserves some one pure?

Now let me ask you if all of them are the best of the best… why is Allah is talking about him divorcing them and in place give him wives better than him…Something to ponder isn’t it buddy…??? or why did Ayesha disobeyed Quran… and incase you want to know context of the ayat and who the two wives are… Refer to your Sahih Bukhari.. also let me know if the references are not correct…

Imam Bukhari narrates from one of the wives of the Holy Prophet (pbuh&hf), Lady 'A’ishah:

The Apostle of Allah (pbuh&hf) used to spend time with Zaynab bint Jahsh (one of his wives) and drink honey at her house. She (Lady 'A’ishah) further said: I and Hafsa (another wife) agreed that the one whom the Apostle of Allah (pbuh&hf) visited first should say: I notice that you have an odor of “maghafir” (the gum of mimosa). He (pubh) visited one of them and she told him this, whereupon he said: I have taken honey at the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh, and I will never do it again. At this, the following verse was revealed, referring to his abstination from honey:

O Prophet! Why do you ban for yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives (Lady 'A’ishah and Hafsa)? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Qur’an 66:1; see *Sahih *Bukhari, Book on the Interpretation of the Holy Qur’an, hadith #4531; *Sahih *Muslim, Book on Divorce, hadith #2694; al-Tirmidhi, Book on Foods, hadith #1574; al-Nisa’i, Book on Divorce, hadith #3367; Oaths, Vows, and Crop Sharing, hadith #3735; Intimacy for Women, hadith #3896; Abu Dawud, Book on Drinks, hadith #3227; ibn Majah, Book on Foods, hadith #3314; Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, 6:221; al-Darami, Book on Foods, hadith #18986

May Allah protect the readers from any errors within… and help us all follow the right path… Ameen