A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

[Texan_Dude]

Re: A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

@Ibn Sadique

I have opened a new thread for Fadak refer to it. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=183685

I have not insulted the Noble Lady Hz. Fatimah (ra); all I am doing is stating the stance of Ahlul Sunnah. You can check all our books and you will never find anything against her or any members of Ahlul Bayt (raa).

Just have look at yourself, how rude you were to Umm ul Momeneen Hz. Aisha (ra).

You could not even accept that she is the mother of the believers as stated by the Quran!

I had told you before that I had been holding back some astonishing stuff written in your books by some of the most prominent Shia Scholars. I was holding back partly because I have a few very dear friends of Shia persuasion and I had their sensitivities in mind. I hope they understand that you have forced my hand to post them.

I have to show you that you have in your books concerning Hz. Fatimah and Hz. Ali [May Allah (swt) be pleased with them].

**If you feel angry which is very natural and you will, then vent it out on Allama Baqir Majlisi **

Mullah Baqir Majlisi writes: 'Fatimah (R.A.) described Ali (R.A.) thus: “You are hiding like a malformed foetus in a womb; you have ran home like those who are guilty of being untrustworthy and after having destroyed the strongest men on earth you have been overcome by these wimps.” (Bihaar al-Anwar vol. 40:203)

Mullah Baqir also writes: After hearing some women talking about Ali (R.A.) Fatimah (R.A.) complained about her husband’s features: "He is a man with a big stomach. His hands are high and his bones look suppressed. He has a receding hair line, big eyes and shows his teeth all the time. He has no wealth either. (Jila-ul-Ayoun: 58, in the chapter on Fatimah)

"Jibreel came to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and said “Allah sends His Salaam upon you and says that Fatima is about to come and complain about Ali. Do not listen to anything about Ali from Fatima.”

When Fatima came, the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) asked her if she came to complain about Ali. She replied that she had. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “By the Lord of the Ka’bah! Go back to Ali and tell him that you are prepared to rub your nose in dust in order to keep him happy. You may do as you please.” (Jila-ul-Ayoun: 61)

http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/shia_fal.html#The%20Shi’ites%20Belief%20Regarding%20the%20family%20of%20The%20Prophet%20(S.A.W.)

Looks like it is difficult to shake off old habits

From my post No. 67 and later the following posts 68,69,71,74,77,90, 95 I have been constantly asking you to address the following:

And you on your part have been ducking and weaving [boxing terms] to avoid addressing it.

I can see your predicament.

On one hand your beliefs are that Hz Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, Hz. Uthman and other Companions [May Allah be pleased with them all] had ‘renegaded’ after the Prophet’s demise, damaged Islam and robbed Hz. Ali (ra) of his right.
And on the other hand in the Quran these very people have been a) Praised these stalwarts of Islam b) Promised them Pardon and Forgiveness c) Stated that He is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him d) Promised them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever e) Deemed them to be successful and triumphant

You are just going to huff and puff about something else and will avoid answering the questions posed to you again and again.

Try to wiggle out of this.

Alright all the hadith’s from whatever sources you have put.. not to mention some of your so called shia near and dear books..all you have is the biography and some scanned page that refers to the book… Certianly Allah knows the best but I doubt their authenticity because to me they contradict the teachings of Quran .. had nauzubillah Bibi Fatima not been pour quran won’t have testified it.. Had she been getting angry at people for wrong reasons as your smart brain Protray it.. Nauzubillah Allah won’t have let his Prophet give a hadith saying that making her angry makes Prophet angry…nor would have Prophet chosen her to be the only women in mubahila when it was asked to pray on curing the non liars… you can mudsling on her personality and character how much as you want the fact is quran testifies her purity and the above things i mentioned I would doubt that authenticity.. Carry on with your agenda.. inshallah Prophet P.B.U.H. will give your the ajjar… Ameen

As far as your questions are concerned.. I just gave a quick glimpse at the ayats

@Ibn Sadique

you have been using and have following questions…

1. Migrated from Makkah to Madinah for sake of Islam?

2. Accommodated and helped those who had migrated to Madinah?

Those who believed and left their homes and strove for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and helped them - these are the believers in truth. For them is pardon, and bountiful provision. - 8:74

Here is my question its refers to people who left their homes and strove for the cause of Allah.. My questions is do you know what were the intensions of the people who migrated… I mean some of the people turned their backs when Prophet died and left the burial services for the khilafat… had the issue been so important than attending the burrial services of Prophet…Won’t Prophet P.B.U.H. have resolved it himself…why did he give the following hadith and made people pay alligance to it…"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."Anywayzz getting back to the point… we don’t know and I personally don’t know what were the intensions of the people who migrated from Medina was it wordly spritual or whatsoever.. the fact that Allah SWT mentions for the cause of Allah..than just say whoever migrated… I am in no state to judge who should be included and who shouldn’t be.. If you think you have Ilme-Gaib than go-ahead and feel free too… but I won’t advice you to mislead other by posting names of the people ..when Allah knows the best.

Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant. - 9:20

But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good things. Such are they who are the successful. - 9:88

**Again the above to ayat refer to those who believe.. certainly not all companions of Prophet P.B.U.H. were not true believers as mentioned in the ayat below **
“They swear by Allah that they are truly of you while they are not of you, but they are a people (hypocrites) who intend to divide (the Muslim nation).”
and therefore I won’t use names to refer in respect who the ayat exactly refers too… I don’t want to give names until we have valid list of who are hypocrites and who are not… we have been debating on sahih bukhari that a companion praises his bidah.. and other companion made Prophet angry by using a hadith that contradicts quran.. or whatsoever .. I don’t have a right to say who are in it and who isn’t I would certainly leave it to Allah SWT.

3. Participated in battle of Badr?

" Those who believe and those who suffered exiles and fought ( and strove and struggled) in the path of Allah, they have the hope of the Mercy of Allah: and Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (2:218)"

I’ll have to read the tafseer(Commentary of the ayat) to be sure the ayat is meant for the battleof badr… First it refers only to believers… as I talked about earlier…secondly if it read in the light of Ohad some of the companions disobeyed Prophet P.B.U.H. in greed for Maal-e-Ganeemat when they were supposed to be fighting in the path of Allah SWT as the above ayat states.. again I would refrain from using this ayat for people..Allah knows the best who fought in the path of Allah SWT.

Now that I have answered your question can you please answer the questions you have been ignoring here is 1. Based on your interpretaton of the letter of Najul Balagah how do you justify Mawiya coming to war against Ameerul Momineen Hazrat Ali A.S and still be regarded as Ameer ul Momineen… how is it justified him coming against khaleefaey waqt Ameer ul Momineen and if he is.. why is nauzbuillah Yazeed not regarded Ameer ul Momineen how is he different from his father… Also how do you interpret the sermon i quoted.

May Allah Protect People From Errors Within and This Thread..Ameen