A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

[Texan_Dude]

Re: A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

@Ibn Sadique

Another ignorant reply… its not about teeth’s Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. didn’t stop a person who hurted himself in the love of Prophet…
Incase you are having a hard time digesting matam isn’t a bidah … read the following hadiths and please let me know if the references are not correct:
Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddis Hanafi Dehlavi who is regarded as one of the greatest Scholars of the Sunni Sect, describing the events at the fatal illnes of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) in his book ‘Modaarejun Nubuwwat’ vol II page 544 records:-

“Bilal emerged beating his head and loudly wailing (from the room of Aisha).”
**Even in this case none of the companions raised any objection at the action of Bilal, the special Muezzin of the Prophet (s.a.w). Moreover, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) was yet alive and not dead. **

As narrated by al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183 (English translation by Ismail Poonawalla)
Abbas narrates: "I heard Aisha saying “The Messenger of God died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of God died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women”.
Hmmm had it been a bidah.. its been practiced by so called Hazrat Ayesha…??? hmm are you gonna say she is doing a bidah???

What you are stating is immediate reaction of any human on hearing terrible news. This action ‘lasts’ for a few hours or so until the person comes out the initial shock. The action of Hz. Bilal (ra) and that of Hz. Aisha (ra) was the same after knowing of Prophet’s demise.

They did not make an annul ‘Chest beating and face slapping’ event!
Do have any record of it being repeated every year from then on?
Don’t tell me that you are following sunnah of Hz. Aisha (ra)!

Why not hold Mataam in honour of Prophet’s death?

Dude lemme quote what you said earlier…
“What you are stating is immediate reaction of any human on hearing terrible news.”

Hmm atleast you now agree its natural to do matam… when you hear terrible news… and when you love someone and you hear about the sacrifices they made to save the religon of our beloved Prophet P.B.U.H. we cry and follow our natrual instincts… Does it bother you that much… and as far as making it an annual thing… Doesn’t matter when the acts are natural… it doesn’t matter if you do it once or revive it every year… the fact companions of Prophet did it in front of him and Prophet didn’t declar it bidah… its enough not doing it yearly or one time..doesn;t mean anything.. Unless your ignore mind wants to make a big fuss out of nothing … just so you can come up lame excuses just to justify an act you called bidah was practiced by some of your high respected personality… they did it and Prophet P.B.U.H didn’t stop it is enough… making yearly and crap..don’t mean anyting.. unless you want to keep play your game of lame excuses… and Yeah we do have matam on the shadat of our beloved Prophet P.B.U.H. unlike some sunni who joy the day when they lost their beloved Prophet by celebrationg his wiladat..hmm I wonder why… hmm could it be if they have lectures on the shadat of Prophet… It unveils the true faces of some of their highly respected companions…who in the greed of khilafat…left the burial of Prophet P.B.U.H … hmm kinda makes sense doesnt it buddy???

@Ibn Sadique

Got it from a knowledgeable friend of mine and should make matters quite clear to you if you remove your bias-tainted glasses
“First of all let me it clear that Taraweeh prayers, by Ijmaa’ of the scholars, is a “Sunnah”, not “Fardh”.
We have an authentic Hadith which tells us that the Prophet [saw] prayed it at the Mosque for three nights, or stopped at the 3rd night out of fear it becomes mandatory on them and some may not bear it.

On the death of the Prophet (saw) revelation ends, and the Faith is complete. No Muslim in the world disputes the fact that Taraweeh is a Nafl prayer legislated by the act of the Messenger [saw]. If one prays it with a congregation, the Prophet (saw) has done it, and if prayed alone, the Prophet (saw) has done it too.

The fact that the Companions (raa) where praying this Nafl in groups at the Prophet (saw)'s Mosque, each lead by an Imam is another established fact. Now, if a group of five is praying together, no one would say an additional person joining them would make the Prayer invalid. In like manner, if we keep adding more persons to this group, it would not invalidate the prayer if all present at the mosque prayed behind the said Imam. What Amirul-Mu’mineen Omar [ra] did was no more than that. He gathered them behind Ubay bin Ka’b [ra] whose recitation of Qur’an was the best.

The Shi’a argue that it should not be prayed in Congregation. But if a man can pray the Nafl at home leading his wife and children, what makes it Haram to have his brother join them too? If, nothing prevents that, why not a friend who is present also? If this cannot be proven to be Haram, what makes it Haram if prayed at the mosque, knowing that the reward received at the mosque is higher than the home?”

Let’s make a deal: Sunni’s dutifully observe Taraweeh prayers in Ramadan; and Shias can carry on with Mataam (Lectures and all other items on the normal agenda)

Yeah Yeah lame excuses…what else could you do.. Now based on what you just said… I guess I won’t be wrong saying that Umar was a liar… by calling a practice of Prophet a bidah..to misguided everybody… I was reading on taraweeh awhile back where I found a debate on hadith..where a hadith was quoted to have 20 some rakat because that how it was introduced.. in some sunni website with references… I’ll try to get it for you later… I don’t need to make a deal with you.. What we do is perfectly alright and don’t need to twist arguments and come up with any dumb logics to make my point…

@Ibn Sadique

If you see the ayah relating to mubahila it states our women, so I can safely say that Hz. Fatimah (ra) represented all the women of the Prophet’s Ahlul Bayt [Household].

If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Had come to thee, say: “Come! Let us gather together, - our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!” - 3:61

Well you can sefely say.. if you want to carry on with the game of ignorance.. But dude here the question is about cursing the liars.. Prophet want to choose the righteous of the righteous… if all the 12 wives were righteous and truthful… why didn’t Prophet bring them Quran mentioned that he could have bring Women… when it talked about sons… why did Imam brought Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain.. he could have brought one too and that would have been enough to get your twisted logic… why didn’t he bring the lady who disobeyed Quran and led to blood shed of several muslims…hmm makes you wonder… when he brought two sons.. If the first 3 caliphs were righteous and near and dear Prophet should have brought them too.. incase you didn’t notice trying to come up with a twisted logic excuse… the ayat talks about men and women it didn’t mention to bring women of family… as your ignorant mind tried to protray…Dude looks like what you are trying to say safely is very unsafe thing to say because you don’t have a valid argument but sounds like another lame excuse of yours… sorry can’t buy that…