Nobody can change the basic human instincts...boys like girls and girls like boys. Go with the flow and be a good human being...everything else will follow.
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Nice brother, nice way to turn girls into a complete treat for men!!!
make it flow too 
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Edde what you mostly saw, in pak, was culture of big cities like karachi/lahore and Isd.
Karachi is the least conservative of all cities, guys even know if their sisters are being "friend" with boys.
Be mindfull in pakistan *"friendship" covers every thing including. holding hands, second base, third base, making-out and If you lucky enough and girl is lose enough, occasional sex.
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In other cites family values are still extremely strong. Protecting girls from boys is still some what girl's families business. So If you F--k around with a girl, don't be surprised if you get your a$$ shot!!!
In mush era Tv did play some part, now boys are more comfortable saying words like GF compare to 10 years ago.
other then that nothing major has changed.
You sound like one of those men whose “ghairet” begins and ends at the woman’s vagina. There is more to life then your dictating how women should live their lives.
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you sound like devil worshipers who is going to support every thing which make perversion easy and easily accessible.
Their is world out there with KNOWN dynamics, only women have tendency to over look it and act like wannabe Asama jhangeenr. You would be the first dude doing it.
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Ive also heard of similar stories in Pakistan where girls and guys are shamelessly dating and wearing inappropriate clothes.
The thing is, its not only in Pakistan and its not only in Saudi. Its a common trait in Muslim countries altogether to do this type of chichorapan. I think it has to do with our suppressed and oppressed societies and how we raise our children with the primary influence being culture and not religion. Weirdly enough, our culture is much more strct then our religion in a lot of ways.
If men and women were raised with Islam in mind and told their rights and responsibilities, this wouldnt happen. Its a natural lash out against being kept inside and deprived that you see when you go to Pakistan and even certain parts of Saudi. Because these are Muslim countries and the laws are somewhat based on Islam, we call them hypocrites and such but I guess in all its a reaction to not really properly following Islam.
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I'm gonna take mace with me this time to Karachi and spray it at any guy who dares pass a comment or elbow me in the bazaar..... so sick of the "MashaAllahs" and sureelay Indian gaanay, not to mention the "Look lady, I don't blink my eyes for 3 mins" syndrome....... They're gonna get pepper spray in their eyes this time..... muahahaha..... these losers better watch out.
I'm actually thinking about starting a mace manufacturing plant in Pakistan. Any investors?
Hey All,
I have lived my entire life in Saudi Arabia, a deeply conservative society. These days, I am here in Pakistan on vacation. I have a little observation which I would like to discuss with you people.
Since Abaya is not mandatory in this country, and mixed gatherings are allowed, I want to understand the psychology of people (male especially)
You visit any park, (most of) colleges, universities, restaurants etc. you can see a number of couples hanging around, guys hitting on girls, boyfriend girlfriend culture is fast spreading…
You see a number of guys here who go out with their other male friends to different shopping places and do ‘taank jhaank’ or what is commonly called ‘poondi’, knowing fully well that they might be coming to the same place with their mother and sister in a few days. How would they feel walking around different shops when some other dude would be staring at his own mother? Or sister? Will they be cool with it? (especially when you know that your sister or mother are…well…hot!)
Will all these guys be equally cool when they come to know that their sister has a boyfriend? Or someone is flirting with his mother? Because as far as I have seen in this country, boys themselves do not feel a slightest bit of guilt in having a lady friend talking with them for hours on cell phone, making plans for their covert meetings.
What is their stance of all these brothers and sons? Are we slowly adopting the western cultural values or is this all a hypocrisy from men? Conservatives/Religious for their families, seculars/liberals for the outside?
And I am not talking about the affluent part of the society, or those people who have spent much of their lives in the west and have adopted the western beliefs. I am talking about the general masses, the guys from average middle class families in Pakistan. What is their thinking? How do you think Pakistan's culture would shape in the next few years?
Please share your thoughts.
lol, that's your concern?
you obviously haven't seen or been to parties that are drugs and alcohol galore with people doing anything and everything you can imagine.. best part? these parties are thrown by 15-16 year olds who have way too much money to spend because their parents are never around and substitute their love by granting their kids access to overflowing bank accounts.
not that the adults are any better. go to any 'ball' or 'parties' and you will even see husband/wife swapping going on.
l go to any 'ball' or 'parties' and you will even see husband/wife swapping going on.
Is this hearsay or first hand experience?
pakistan mein larki burqa pehn ker bhi chal rahi houn na ... aur bad-qismati say usay public transport use kerni per jaye ... tou rikshay walay b uskay jeena haram ker detay hain ...
to larkioun ko sudharnay say pehlay ... larkoun ko sambhalo ... i had to use the bus to come and go to college ... and it was the worst experience of my life ... had to cry often!
larki kuch na bi karay, apany kaam say kaam rakh ker chalay ... to bhi ye ^$%^$% badtameez admi jo motorcycle per awaragardi kertay rehtay hain ... itni gandi baatein kertay hein k pata lag jaye apko!
kaam ki wajah say, university ki wajah say larki ko bahar nikalna perta hai ... magr the boys of our society ... dammit ... the longer the beard ... the dirtier their eyes!
i could go on and on about the ****ing assholes age 12 to age 120!
Is this hearsay or first hand experience?
it's a well known fact :) infact, bbc did a documentary on the 'rich and elite' of pakistan, mainly karachi.. it was pretty sad to find out whats going on back home.
pakistan mein larki burqa pehn ker bhi chal rahi houn na ... aur bad-qismati say usay public transport use kerni per jaye ... tou rikshay walay b uskay jeena haram ker detay hain ... to larkioun ko sudharnay say pehlay ... larkoun ko sambhalo ... i had to use the bus to come and go to college ... and it was the worst experience of my life ... had to cry often! larki kuch na bi karay, apany kaam say kaam rakh ker chalay ... to bhi ye ^$%^$% badtameez admi jo motorcycle per awaragardi kertay rehtay hain ... itni gandi baatein kertay hein k pata lag jaye apko! kaam ki wajah say, university ki wajah say larki ko bahar nikalna perta hai ... magr the boys of our society ... dammit ... the longer the beard ... the dirtier their eyes! i could go on and on about the ****ing assholes age 12 to age 120!
Bilkul durust garmaaya aap nay. Pakistani shareef ladkoN kay bachpan aur jawaani kay din apni behnoN ki pehra-daari mai guzar jaati hai. We have to escort them everywhere and make sure nobody bothers them.
The fact is I would be more comfortable if a young female relative walks in the middle of Manhattan than say Anarkali bazaar. I don't know why muslims are so proud of themselves when they can't even provide normal decency to their women in public.
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^ i think jitna strict gender separatist mode of upbringing ho ga parents aur society ka ... utna ziada masla ho ga ... we need to make sure that the two dont become an abject of awe for each other ... k jab aik doosray ko dekho to dekhtay he jao k ye itni khoobsoorat kya cheez aagayi hai k mein achanak iskay beghari jee nahi sakta/sakti ....
I'm gonna take mace with me this time to Karachi and spray it at any guy who dares pass a comment or elbow me in the bazaar..... so sick of the "MashaAllahs" and sureelay Indian gaanay, not to mention the "Look lady, I don't blink my eyes for 3 mins" syndrome....... They're gonna get pepper spray in their eyes this time..... muahahaha..... these losers better watch out.
I'm actually thinking about starting a mace manufacturing plant in Pakistan. Any investors?
Awesome idea. I wanted to start a deoderant factory. Maybe we can do a joint venture. Buy one get one free deals.
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BTW women in Pakistan get harassed even when they're in burqas.
Its all BS at the end. A wolf can wear grandma's clothes any day.
^ what?
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Sad but true, I've seen men ogling women in burqas also, cheapos.
My cousin who wears a headscarf and dresses very decently (full sleeves and big dupatta and all) actually slapped a guy once when he tried to pull her scarf down in a bazaar...... the nerve of the jerk. She was soooo cool, we all heard the slap loud and clear and all the shopkeepers gathered and gave the guy a good beating. I'm sure he never tried that with any other girl again.
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^ this is also yet another funny part ... every man in the bazaar does his share of taaro taari ... but jab koi pakra jata hai .. to ajatay hein apni frustration nikalnay us aik ko marnay k liye ...
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If my boys EVER did that, EVER disrespected ANYone, woman, man or child, they'd quickly find themselves enrolled in the strictest military academy Ican find. I am fairly confident that this will not happen as they mix with the opposite gender and have been doing so since age 2 or 3. And they are expected to comply with the rules and behave appropriately. Start young and train them right. Thats all.
PCG has very valid point here. Rather than hide women behind Abaya, treat them as properties and hide them, better to raise your sons and daughters to treat all people with respect regardless of their gender. You go to a bazaar in an Islaamic country and the males seem to think that its ok to ogle and leer at any woman not dressed in a tent. That is completely unacceptable behavior. And the resolution of requiring women to wear Abaya does not resolve the issue - it condones and perpetuates that behavior.
I think women in Pakistan are coming to this realization that they are deserving of basic respect and that this strict separation of the genders restricts each to half the population. People are social creatures. Theres no reason for this strict separation - IF children are taught to respect others from a young age.
Requiring women to wear abayas does not resolve the issue, I agree, but I don't understand how it condones and perpetuates the behavior? I agree with everything else you say, but Islam does require Muslim women to dress modestly (be that an abaya, scarf, dopatta or chaddar) and I would argue that it's there for a reason- to protect one's modesty. Since you're advocating respect for women, I think those that choose to "dress in a tent" are equally deserving of this respect as well as those that dress otherwise.
By the way, from having lived in all three places mentioned in this topic- I can safely say there are good and bad people everywhere, no need to stereotype Pakistan, KSA or USA. However, I do appreciate the freedom in US, that's one thing we need to make more common in Pakistan and KSA.