a new problem!!!!

i’m back with another problem

see its 3 in morning …n i’ve just been back from a long journey …n i’m still up coz i’ve been googling for it …n i know i won’t be able to sleep without some info

its about my daughter (yes again)

she fell off the suitcase , somehow as i placed it in the room to unpack …she climbed on it …sat down n couldn’t balance herself over the edge n fell…off course she cried but she cried so hard that she stopped breathing !!!
her lips turned blue …n face became really yellowish…she was in my arms but couldn’t hold her head …eyes closed …

it lasted for some 10 seconds i think …or may be more …then she started breathing …opened eyes as if she is just waking up after a sleep…no crying or screaming at all …!!!

but those few moments were deadliest for me …it has happened twice or thrice before …but this time it was really like she was dead (Allah forbid)

any of you has any idea …what’s it …whats the reason …n if its dangerous in the longer run…???

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I think its best to get her checked by a doc to be on the safe side. I have seen that in a child -when he fell, and he was alright. But we made sure he saw the doc right away.Dont worry.InshAllah she will be fine.

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take her to the doc immediately and check her out for concussion / internal injury. Is she talking normally? how old is she?

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MQ ...thanx

Atlantis....she is 1.......it wasn't a serious fall ....suitcase was on the floor ....n the height wasn't more than a pillow when she fell .....n she is fine afterwards...

actually i slightly remember a girl in extended family ....who used to have this 'stop-breathing-while crying' thing ....she isn't mentally fit now!....n thats my concern at the moment!!

off course i'll go to doc. but i need some info now!

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May you can take her now and get her checked at the emergency...?

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its almost impossible at the moment ....!!

my kids (all 3 ) r asleep ....n i'm the only one in my house as the person in charge.

plus they usually don't have pediatricins on odd times ....a general physician will only tell me to take her to her own doc. in morning ....as she has no problem at the moment ....

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^ thats strange... i thought if u take them thru emergency, they do all the check ups there... well thats how it works here

Inshallah she'll be ok, I'll be praying for her health

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Afia its best to get your baby girl checked up right now. If the kids are asleep call a friend up and ask her to look after them. But I would advise you to get her checked to be on the safe side. In the emergency no matter what doc it is , he/she will be able to make sure your daughter is alright. It doesnt matter that its just a general doc.

Best of luck.

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thank you MQ n sadzz......

MQ i know nobody in this city .....but well, lets see how i can manage ...!!!

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Take her the ER immediately, even if she is in her sleep.

Let them decide if it can wait until morning for a pediatrician to come in. There is always a pediatric surgeon on duty in the pediatric ER.

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Sometimes kids cry and hold their breath. I dont think it is much of a concern. Breathing is centrally controlled, so its impossible to hold breathing for long.
When i was little and i used to cry, i used to hold breath too.
As far as the fall is concerned, if you feel it was not a big fall, then its alrite too.

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She seems to have a deficiency, something is lacking in her blood, but I don't know what and I am not sure either. One of my brother too was like that when he was a toddler. Crying and the lips going darkish purple , the face going white and difficulty in breathing when crying, all the symptoms of "unable to breath properly while crying" but he got over it as he got older. There were times he would fall asleep after crying. Per mujhay nahin yaad kay kuch kiya tha kay nahin but he was weak as a kid and is still weak. Don't know if doctors will be of any help or not but keep observing her as I think the symptoms will fade away one by one as she grows older. Btw do have her run around, jump etc . Have her do some exercise so her lungs get stronger.

:)

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What you are talking about anemia and we all know that she has that. what she is talking about is kids holding breathing because they are angry. it is a subconcious thing that happens in little kids.

Afia here is an article from Merck manual.

A breath-holding spell is an episode in which the child stops breathing and loses consciousness for a short period immediately after a frightening or emotionally upsetting event.

Breath-holding spells occur in 5% of otherwise healthy children. They usually begin in the second year of life. They disappear by age 4 in 50% of children and by age 8 in about 83% of children. The 17% of children who continue to have spells as adults lose consciousness as a reaction to emotional stress. Breath-holding spells can take one of two forms.

 The **cyanotic form** of breath-holding, which is most common, is initiated subconsciously by young children often as a component of a temper tantrum or in response to a scolding or other upsetting event. Episodes peak at about 2 years and are rare after 5 years. During the episode, a child holds his breath (without necessarily being aware he is doing so) until he loses consciousness. Typically, the child cries out, breathes out, then stops breathing. Shortly afterward, the child's skin begins to turn blue and he becomes unconscious. A seizure may occur. After the loss of consciousness (which generally lasts for seconds only), breathing resumes and normal skin color and consciousness return. It may be possible to interrupt the episode by placing a cold rag on the child's face when the spell begins. Despite the frightening nature of the episode, the parents must try to avoid reinforcing the initiating behavior in the cyanotic form. As the child recovers, parents should put the child safely in bed. Parents should enforce household rules; the child cannot have "free rein" of the house just because these spells follow temper tantrums. Distracting the child and avoiding situations that will likely lead to tantrums are good strategies.

 The **pallid form** typically follows a painful experience, such as falling and banging the head or being suddenly startled. The brain sends out a signal (via the vagus nerve) that severely slows the heart rate, producing loss of consciousness. Thus, in this form, the loss of consciousness and stoppage of breathing (which are both temporary) result from a nerve response to being startled that leads to slowing of the heart.

The child stops breathing, rapidly loses consciousness, and becomes pale and limp. A seizure may occur. The heart typically beats very slowly during an attack. After the attack, the heart speeds up again, breathing restarts, and consciousness returns without any treatment. Because this type is rare, if the attacks occur often, further diagnostic evaluation and treatment may be needed.

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One more thing. The article i posted above is from a medical book. So they talk about everything that can happen. Now seizure and losing consciousness are things that happen in extreme cases. usually kids only hold breath, turn blue and then retain their breathing. ok? so dont get scared that she will have a seizure or lose consciousness.
I remember when i was little, my mom used to be scared and so were my brother and sister. So if i would do anything, my brother would tell my mom to hit him, rather than me, because he knew that if i cry i will hold breathing and then eveyrone will get scared. here is another article which will be easier for you to understand.

Sometimes, when a child is upset or is frightened, he or she may hold their breath for a few seconds afterwards. This can be long enough for him or her to go pale or even a bit blue, and possibly faint. This doesn’t usually cause the child any problems but it can be extremely frightening for the parents. Breath-holding attacks are quite a common problem in early childhood, but don’t often continue, as the child grows older.

There are two types of breath holding attack – ones where the child turns blue and ones where he or she turns very pale.

The blue types are the more common of the two, and happen when the child is crying so hard after a fright or an injury, that they cannot breathe. The child may faint and fall over, but he or she will usually recover quickly, although may be a bit tired afterwards. It is rare for the child to have a fit (seizure) afterwards, but it can happen occasionally. The pale attacks are less common but often happen after a fright or injury like the blue types. They may seem to go stiff and faint, but again they usually recover quickly.

Sometimes breath holding attacks are confused with epilepsy. This is not usually the case, and it is not usually a sign of any serious illness. It can help to watch the child closely to see what triggers the attacks, so to be better prepared the next time it happens. There are no medicines that can help. If the child has lots of these breath-holding attacks and they seem to follow after tempers and tantrums, behavioural treatment to reduce the number of tantrums may help.

Breath-holding attacks usually stop by the time the child goes to school, and while they are frightening when they happen, do not cause any lasting problems.

If you would like to know more about breath-holding attacks, please ask your doctor. There is no support organisation for breath holding attacks.

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the ER in the US means you have to wait up to 3hrs in the waiting area, than another 2hrs for a doc to come and see you, and another 9hrs till they give you your updates. the ER in the US SUX!

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^ What ER have u gone to? They’ve always taken in our members of the family immediately. I would say the only problem we ever had was when my sister had gallstones, they were taking a long time in trying to figure out what was wrong, and the whole time I was asking if they could just check for gallstones - they thought it was constipation :rolleyes:

But even so, they took her in immediately - no 3 hour in the waiting area…or 2 hours for a doc to see you or 9 hours for results (unless they just can’t figure out what it is).

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^ come to the ones in Detroit! I swear I we went there at 1am and did not get home till 10am.

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Who told you to live in Detroit? :)

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it depends on the severity of the illness. dont expect to be seen by the doc right away if all you have is some fever and flu symptoms. its all about prioritization. alos it depends if you go to a hospital like kaiser permanente or university/county medical center :>

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^ yeah right this one lady had a miscarriage and was bleeding everywhere, still she had to wait a LONG time!