‘maulvi’s martial law’: Hasba Bill in NWFP

They didnt give up…and are at it again. Let’s see what happens this time…

While the govt is trying to correct the wrong created by irresposnible and incomplete interpreteation of “shariah” in the Hudod Laws, which have caused countless grievences over the past 2 decades, the NWFP govt is imposing another roughly and only macro level defined **“bill (which) provides for the appointment of an anti-vice ombudsman enjoying sweeping powers to protect Islamic values and ‘forbid persons, agencies and authorities working under the administrative control of the government to act against Shariah’.”

**This must mean more miseries and then some more ala Hudood Ordinance. Implemenation of Shariah is not this easy and is a matter of extremely delicate nature…Why dont people realize that inspite of an example we have all seen in the problems faced and created by the Hudood Laws and their shortcomings?

http://dawn.com/2006/11/14/top1.htm
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NWFP adopts Islamic morality bill: Opposition calls it ‘maulvi’s martial law’

**PESHAWAR, Nov 13: **The NWFP assembly on Monday passed a watered-down version of the controversial Hasba bill to establish what critics described as a Taliban-style department under a powerful cleric entrusted with the task of enforcing Islamic morality.

The bill found surprise support from a few opposition legislators – some belonging to so-called liberal parties – when they voted for the bill against the instructions of their parliamentary leaders.

** The bill is a revised version of one that was ruled unconstitutional in 2005 by the Supreme Court, following a challenge by President Pervez Musharraf under Article 186 of the 1973 Constitution.**

** The bill provides for the appointment of an anti-vice ombudsman enjoying sweeping powers to protect Islamic values and “forbid persons, agencies and authorities working under the administrative control of the government to act against Shariah”.**

The bill was bitterly opposed by the Awami National Party, Pakistan People’s Party (Sherpao), Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians and Pakistan Muslim League, whose one member did not toe the party line and supported the bill.

** The provincial Law and Parliamentary Affairs Minister, Malik Zafar Azam, who tabled the bill in the 124-member house, rejected the opposition’s demand that the bill should be sent to a select committee.

He recalled at length how the bill was first tabled in Dec 2003 and how its passage was subsequently delayed by the government – first by successive provincial governors and then by a presidential reference in the country’s apex court.**

When protesting opposition lawmakers, wearing black armbands, described the bill as “maulvi’s martial law”, Mr Azam said: “We never wanted Talibanisation, neither in the past nor now or in future. The aim is to provide speedy justice to people.”

Unconvinced, lawmakers from secular opposition parties staged a walkout as the treasury legislators adopted the bill with a majority.

** The Leader of Opposition in the assembly, Shahzada Gistasip, said there was no need to pass a bill that had already been found to be repugnant to the existing laws by the Supreme Court.**

NWFP Chief Minister Akram Khan Durrani thanked legislators from the PML (N), PML, Tehreek-i-Insaf, Swabi Qaumi Mohaz and independent groups for supporting the bill. He assured the opposition legislators that the bill would be used only to provide speedy justice to the masses.

** Under Article 116 of the 1973 constitution, the bill will now go to Governor Ali Mohammad Jan Aurakzai for assent. His predecessors, Iftikhar Hussain Shah and Khalil-ur-Rahman, refused to sign the bill into law.**

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Yeah, the country takes one step closer to the fundamentalists abyss:rolleyes:
Its even sader that its in the NWFP… This is the least of their problems. Vice isnt as big a problem as rampant illiteracy and poverty… As though they werent already praying five times a day…

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I dont think the Governor Lt Gen Ali Mohammed Jan Orakzai would approve it, so there shouldnt be much to worry, but good thing the SC was moved.

http://dawn.com/2006/11/16/top9.htm

**SC moved against Hasba Bill

**The Supreme Court was requested on Wednesday to restrain the NWFP governor from assenting the controversial Hasba Bill, passed by the NWFP Assembly to enforce Islamic morality in the province.

Petitioner Maulvi Iqbal Haider, chairman, Awami Himayat Tehrik, requested the apex court to declare the bill as against the constitution and contravening the judgment and guidelines provided by the apex court in its recommendations on a presidential reference in 2,005.

On Monday last, the NWFP government passed through a simple majority the bill, aimed at appointing an anti-vice ombudsman enjoying sweeping powers to protect Islamic values and prohibit persons, agencies and authorities working under the administrative control of the government to act against Shariat.

The re-introduction of the bill, the petitioner stated, would create serious constitutional issues entailing administrative anarchy among the federating units of the country. Repercussions of enforcing such a parallel system would create distortion and could result in the collapse of hierarchal structure of command and control, encouraging inter-provincial disharmony and chaos.

Without making appropriate changes in section 12, 23, 27, 25 (1 and 2) and section 28 of the original Hasba bill 2,005 as directed by the apex court earlier, he claimed, the present bill would again be violative of articles 2A (Objective Resolution), 4 (rights of individuals to be dealt with in accordance with law ), 9 (security of person), 14 (inviolability of dignity of man), 16 (freedom of assembly), 17 (freedom of association), 18 (freedom of trade, business or profession), 19 (freedom of speech), 20 (freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions), 25 (equality of citizens ) and 175 (establishment and jurisdiction of courts).On September 6, 2004, the petitioner recalled, the Council of Islamic Ideology after going through the draft of the bill had asked the provincial government to refrain from enacting it, saying that several provisions of the bill could be exploited for political ends.

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wow, someone with the dum challa of maulvi in their name moved against this idiotic bill? great.

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These idiot Mullahs will be out of power by next election.

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Only 63 of the 124 members of the NWFP assembly voted for this bill - a bare majority, which just shous how polarized opinion is on this subject in the province.

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Mullahs did it again, and they will keep on doing it until somebody gives them a real kick where it hurts. All this bill is saying that give me a gun but rest assured I will not use it.

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Some analysts have been saying that the bill pretty much toothless now. Still, its indicates the desperation of the Mullah govt to be seen as having gotten something done for their constituants. This could be a sign of their final bows.. Lets hope so.

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If the MMA is serious about resigning it's seats, then I hope they remain consistent and forego their government in NWFP as well. After that we can have provincial elections and we will see how many people back their holy laws?

But somehow I doubt they will resign their NWFP assembly seats, as power is more important than principles for them. Though, it will also expose their blatant hypocrisy.

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i believe its unfair to criticize the NWFP government because its elected by the peoples n wutever they r doing they r doing it on the behalf of peoples so there is no point in criticizing because thats wut peoples want.

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I don't agree with this viewpoint Zgard. You are right that the government 'ought' to do what people want but it's a circular kind of an argument. Some times government does what people want and at other times the government leads popular opinion to what they want.

People have nothing to gain from Hasba Bill. MMA is doing it only for ideological reasons. When we already have laws and police then why do we want this dual system of laws and Hasba Force?

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The NWFP govt is simply trying to save face and gain lost support… Most people consider them to have utterly failed to do anything about the real issues the people have to deal with.

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Only 63 of the 124 members of the NWFP assembly voted for this Hasba bill - a bare majority. All the opposition parties failed to support it.

While the Women's Protection Bill was supported by an overwhelming majority of parliamentarian's - both from government and opposition parties.

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MMA has the majority in NWFP Assambly n thats why they were able to en force such laws its people who have trust them for 5 years with their lives n as i said they make those decission on behalf of peoples .

Niswah bill or Hassbah bill both r by product of the same sysytem but with out enforcing them u can not say that whether they r will work or not.

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The MMA has only a bare majority in the NWFP assembly - all opposition parties refused to support their bill, and they represent half of the population at least. You cannot enforce such laws when the population is so polarized.

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just wut exactly is majority to u

its all in numbers n numbers shows that they r the majority

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Molvis gone wild !!!

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The majority of people (60-65%) in the NWFP who voted in the Oct 2002 elections did not vote for the MMA, even though they may have got the largest numbers of seats. As the local elections of summer 2006 demonstrate the MMA has lost considerable support in the province.

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I hope people of NWFP will get rid of them in the next elections!

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They probably will, which is a reason why the clowns did not go ahead (again) with their threat to resign from parliament.