A limited nuclear WAR... Indian Army Chief.!!

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hahahaaha

So you are saying the guy who is in charge of 100s and 1000s of army men, who is a OFFICIAL, who has control of N'weapons, if he says something ridiculous its "Sensationalism" to sell paper but if a guy somewhere in cave with few 100 fighters who dont even have access to power generator let alone N'weapon is one to believe :)

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Oh Bhai,

No one is trying to minimize your war-time experience.

The simple scenario above, involved not you as a single person,

But the

Whole family of yours, your hopes, your dreams etc.

Obviously you have not experienced the real war. And without that specific experience, believe you me, talking about war is very much like shooting from the hip.

I have met many Indians and Pakistanis who have no f'ing idea about the REAL war. So they do a lot of Bharak bazi just like jugat bazi, munday bazi and kabooter bazi and all other frivolous pastimes.

No sane person RUNS from a good fight. Make sure you know that.

However

A sane forward looking person is always ready to AVOID war by forgiving and forgetting.

For Pakistan, we can AVOID war as we know that we can kick Indian @rse if we have to.

However we rather use patience and bring peace and prosperity to our country instead of doing any kind sloganeering and show-bazi.

A powerful person doesn't have to shout to be recognized as such.

Nawaz- Modi Bhai Bhai
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A few corrections, the general is a military officer. He is not a government official. He may state, in broad terms, what the policy is, but he does not formulate policy. He provides input, when asked, to those who do formulate policy.
The general, also, is not in control of the Indian nuclear arsenal. Though possession and security of the arsenal is tasked to the military, the control of the weapons rests with the civilian leadership. The PM of India, to be specific.

In terms of the capability of the jihadis: With the help of state actors, the jihadi network has very credible and real capabilities. As with the recent arrest of Pakistani nationals in Italy, and the arrest of Headley in the US, the threat to India is a very real one. We are also at the one year anniversary of attacks in Mumbai that were carried out by jihadi outfits originating in Pakistan.

On balance, I believe that India's threat perception is a very valid one.

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Hindustani Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor. Who let the Hindustani dog out? Now all Hindustanis can say "Woof", "Woof".

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Oh bhai, u need to read post more carefully

nobody is asking for the war, yet your beloved gen kapoor is talking non-sense and people here are discussing that, i guess this will bring you back on the topic...

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Good.

Since when you have the tradition of calling an enemy army officer as "beloved"? are you a Pakistani?

Here is the ONLY statement attributed to DK!

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In response to a question on Kapoor's reported remarks that "a limited war under a nuclear overhang is still very much a reality at least in the Indian sub-continent",
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Do you see what the question was?

We the Pakistanis should be honest enough to accept that even with nukes in our hands WE started a limited war with Indians on the Kargil front.

So in theory, Pakistan or India could start a Kargil like conflict. Why do you have peppers in your back on this simple statement?

Perhaps it is the issue of "reading comprehension"?

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Angoor khate thai :omg: :omg:

The usual rant from the Indians continue…and this time it’s the retarded Miltary Chief barking instead of, the usual one, Singh :hehe:

Shaykha
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You call Kargil a WAR ??? i think you should re consider it bcoz that was not a war it was Skirmish fought on the name of Mujahidin where Pakistan had no Direct Involvement.

I answered in my Previous post Y a limited war is not possible or did it slip by & you somehow did not read it??

Timepass January 2015 (Naya Saal, Purani Dua)
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Re: A limited nuclear WAR... Indian Army Chief.!!

^ Pakistan had NO DIRECT INVOLVEMENT?

Two of Nishan-e-Haider recipients, pictured in your avatar, are from Kargil.

Timepass January 2015 (Naya Saal, Purani Dua)
Timepass January 2015 (Naya Saal, Purani Dua)
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Yes but read the Pakistani statement at that time , i did not said we had no involvement i said we had no Direct involvement when the issue was going on , later what happened was another issue.

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Much of history and evidence contra-indicates you. The Northern Light Infantry initiated the infiltration and fighting. Initially four battalions, the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th NLI were deployed. Later, three other battalions, the 7th, 11th, and 12th were engaged.

As The Herald, a Pakistani newspaper, at the time reported, there were upwards of 500 soldiers of the NLI killed in action. They were all brave men, who sacrificed their lives for their country. Even as an Indian, I honor their selfless devotion. But it was unnecessary and wanton.

Kargil wasn't a skirmish, it was very dangerous brinkmanship. Indians and Pakistanis have to take it upon ourselves, as average citizens, to see that such things do not happen.

But, to the point of this thread, a Kargil type of action is exactly what the general is referring to, Pakistani regulars along with jihadis launching coordinated actions, along with the threat of a lapse in the Pakistani nuclear control and command structure. It is a very real possibility, one that even the Americans are preparing for.

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for heaven sake...even you know that its not a possibility.

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Re: A limited nuclear WAR... Indian Army Chief.!!

Limited conventional war was a possibility and still may be a possibility, limited nuclear war in Indo Pakistan can never be a possibility.

full conventional war, or a limited nuclear as the general is saying, both will certainly escalate to full nuclear war, i dont see any winners in this case.

Pakistanis has very less conventional warfare resources and mostly chances are they will opt for nuclear strike first as they run out of conventional resources. fearing this India may go nuclear strike first as well to minimize the second strike impact.

But for head of army to talk this non sense is really ridiculous, Nukes are strategic assets for any country, they are not meant for "limited" nuclear wars. any small or limited attack on Pakistan will attract a full scale nuke attack on India with full force from Pakistan, now you can call it limited war in terms of time only!

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A limited conventional war is not only a possibility, but, as Kargil shows, a reality. Last time it happened, it was caused by state actors. What India fears is a war starting due to actions by jihadis, as we saw in Mumbai. Next time, the internal Indian pressure will not allow for a non-military response. This is now a very real threat to India and Indian security.
As a recent Seymour Hersh article pointed out, the US no longer believes that the Pakistani command and control structure of it's nuclear assets is secure. The real threat is a compromise from within. This threat is so real, that even China tacitly approves Washington's augmentation of Pakistani controls.
India, and the world for that matter, must also take seriously threats from jihadi leaders from within Pakistan. They have said, very clearly, if they get a nuclear device, they well deploy it against India.
Under these circumstances, the general is stating a policy postulation. What happens if a jihadi outfit gets a nuclear devices and detonates it within India? Such an act wouldn't be because Pakistan's conventional forces are diminished. Does India strike back, taking out major Pakistani cities? No. Does India take out jihadi training camps with small tactical nuclear devices? Probably not because the fallout is unpredictable. It would definitely mean war, but what would be the nature of the war? That is the general's quandary.