A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

I liked the article. This explains one way to fight Taliban. May be someone in Pak military learn some lesson.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/world/asia/17afghan.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp

An American platoon surprised an armed Taliban column on a forested ridgeline at night, and killed at least 13 insurgents, and perhaps many more, with rifles, machine guns, Claymore mines, hand grenades and a knife.

The one-sided fight, fought on the slopes of the same mountain where a Navy Seal patrol was surrounded in 2005 and a helicopter with reinforcements was shot down, does not change the war. It was one of hundreds of firefights that have occurred in the Korangal Valley, an isolated region where local insurgents and the Americans have been locked in a bitter stalemate for more than three years.

But as accounts of the fight have spread, the ambush, on Good Friday, has become an emotional rallying point for soldiers in Kunar Province, who have seen it as a both a validation of their equipment and training and a welcome bit of score-settling in an area that in recent years has claimed more American lives than any other.

The patrol, 30 soldiers from the First Battalion, 26th Infantry, had left this outpost before noon on April 10, and spent much of the day climbing a ridge on the opposite side of the Korangal River, according to interviews with more than half the participants.

Once the soldiers reached the ridge’s crest, almost 6,000 feet above sea level on the side of a peak called Sautalu Sar, they found fresh footprints on the trails, and parapets of rock from where Taliban fighters often fire rifles and rocket-propelled grenades down onto this outpost.

The platoon leader, Second Lt. Justin Smith, selected a spot where trails intersected, and the platoon dug shallow fighting holes before dark. Claymore antipersonnel mines were set among the trees nearby.

At sunset, Lieutenant Smith called for a period of absolute silence, which lasted into darkness. Then he ordered three scouts to sit in a listening post about 100 yards away, 10 feet off the trail.

The scouts set in. Less than a half-minute later, a column of Taliban fighters appeared, walking briskly their way.

Sgt. Zachary R. Reese, a sniper, whispered into his radio. “We have eight enemy personnel coming down on our position really fast,” he said. He could say no more; the Taliban fighters were a few feet away.

More appeared. Then more still. The sergeant counted 26 gunmen pass by.

The patrol, Second Platoon of Company B, was in a place where no Americans had spent a night for years, and it seemed that the Afghans did not expect danger.

The soldiers waited. The rules of the ambush were long ago drilled into them: no one can move, and no one can fire until the patrol leader gives the order. Then everyone must fire at once.

The third Taliban fighter in the column switched on a flashlight, the soldiers said, and quickly switched it off. About 50 yards separated the two sides, but Lieutenant Smith did not want to start shooting too soon, he said, “because if too many lived then we’d be up there fighting them all night.”

He let the Taliban column continue on. The soldiers trained their weapons’ infrared lasers, which are visible only with night-vision equipment, on the fighters as they drew closer. The lasers mark the path a bullet will fly.

The lead fighter had almost reached the platoon when Pvt. First Class Troy Pacini-Harvey, 19, his laser trained on the lead man’s forehead, moved his rifle’s selector lever from safe to semi-automatic. It made a barely audible click. The Taliban fighter froze. He was six feet away.

Lieutenant Smith was new to the platoon. This was his fourth patrol. He was in a situation that every infantry lieutenant trains for, but almost no infantry lieutenant ever sees. “Fire,” he said, softly into the radio. “Fire. Fire. Fire.”

The platoon’s frontage exploded with noise and flashes of light as soldiers fired. Bullets struck all of the lead Taliban fighters, the soldiers said. The first Afghans fell where they were hit, not managing to fire a single shot.

Five Taliban fighters bolted to the soldiers’ left, unwittingly running squarely into the path of machine-gun bullets and the Claymore mines. For a moment, the soldiers heard rustling in the brush. They detonated their Claymores and threw hand grenades. The rustling stopped.

Two other Taliban fighters had dashed to the right, toward an almost sheer drop. One ran so wildly in the blackness that his momentum carried him off the cliff, several soldiers said.

Another stopped at the edge. Pvt. First Class Brad Larson, 19, had followed the man with his laser. “I took him out,” he said.

The scout at the listening post shot three of the fleeing fighters, and dropped two more with hand grenades. “We stopped what we could see,” Sergeant Reese said.

The shooting had lasted a few minutes. The hillside briefly fell quiet. The surviving Taliban fighters, some of whom had run back up the trail, began shouting in the darkness. “We could hear them calling out to one another,” Specialist Soto said.

Lieutenant Smith called the listening post back in. After two Apache attack helicopters showed up, an F-15 dropped a bomb on the Taliban’s escape route, about 600 yards up the trail. Then the lieutenant ordered teams to search the bodies they could find on the crest.

Sergeant Reese gave his rifle to another sniper to cover him while he tried to cut away a Taliban fighter’s ammunition pouches with a four-inch blade. The fighter had only been pretending to be dead, the soldiers said. He lunged for Sergeant Reese, who stabbed him in the left eye.

In all, the soldiers found eight bodies on the crest. They photographed them to try to identify them later, and collected their weapons, ammunition, radios and papers. Then the patrol swept down a gully where a pilot said he saw more insurgents hiding.

Four scouts, using night-vision gear, spotted five fighters crouching behind rocks, and killed them with rifle and machine-gun fire, the scouts said. The bodies were searched and photographed, too. The platoon began to hike back to the outpost, carrying the captured equipment.

Second Platoon, Company B has endured one of the most arduous assignments in Afghanistan. Eight of the platoon’s soldiers have been wounded in nine months of fighting in the valley, part of a bitter contest for control of a small and sparsely populated area.

Three others have been killed.

In a matter of minutes, the ambush changed the experience of the surviving soldiers’ tours. The degree of turnabout surprised even some the soldiers who participated.

“It’s the first time most of us have even seen the guys who were shooting at us,” said Sgt. Thomas Horvath, 21.

The next day, elders from the valley would ask permission to collect the villages’ dead. Company B’s commander, Capt. James C. Howell, would grant it.

But already, as the soldiers slid and climbed down the mountain, word of the insurgents’ defeat was traveling through Taliban networks.

Specialist Robert C. Oxman, 21, had put a dead fighter’s phone in his pocket. As the platoon descended, the phone rang and rang, apparently as other fighters called to find out what had happened on Sautalu Sar. By sunrise, it had been ringing for hours.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

well no lesson for pak army i guess.

there is saying in afghani resistance which i read some column it goes, these americans are worst than russians they vomit seeing blood or dead in mid of fight and hide like kids, russians were much fearsome than them our engagements with them lasted for hours and sometimes days.

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The surviving Taliban fighters, some of whom had run back up the trail, began shouting in the darkness. “We could hear them calling out to one another,” Specialist Soto said.
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After two Apache attack helicopters showed up, an F-15 dropped a bomb on the Taliban’s escape route
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When Pak Army Solider's will be equipped with Laser Guided guns linked to Regional C41 posts ..

When Pak Army Soldiers, will have Language Translation Watches on their wrist, ..

When Pak Army Soldiers will have GPS linked gadget's + modular fighting clothes..

When Pak Army Soldiers have the capacity of seeing behind the rocks or in the dark ..

When Pak Army Soldiers will have the capacity to call Apache or F-15/18/16/22 on a 15 minutes notice...

When Pak Army Soldiers will have flying drones over the head while scanning the area...

US/NATO then can lecture about our failure, but not now !

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

American might win the fight but they're losing the war. So try again.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

still they american are not willing to fight, and account is of a single engagment.

i can quote one in which a FC soldier outnumbered defended his post untill he died and while dying said to his companion that tell general/colonal i didnt gave them my rifle... reason he said that few days back an army colonel or general came and visited them and said to them for us handing our gun to stranger is like handing our pride to put it exact words wife :) , soldier held onto the rifle untill he died.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

His last words .. well when i am writing waves of chills are going inside my body:

Take My Gun And Deliver It To General Sahib

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

yeah well....Americans have been in Afghanistan as long as the Russians have

Americans so far have lost 600 men while russians lost 16,000

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

because they sit duck in their barracks, if they had been so active taliban would not have been roaming all around of afghanistan.

russians had around 150000 troops whereas US has just 15000 if you 600/15000 x 150000 it would be 6000 casualities, given russians operated around 20 years back and without technology still those numbers seems less given mujahideen has US and pakistani support.

i agree pak army has to show itself but it doesnt mean americans are doing well , its worst.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

add all the so-called alliance causalities too, and you miss the news: American's are loosing, but that's their fate.

Our problem is we have to control the Talibinization in Pakistan & also take out the collations forces, its very hard task you know, but we are trying :)

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Why so negative about our freightened Army learning some lessons from Americans?
Isn't Taliban common enemy of America, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other Muslims?

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Wrong....

Learn your facts before you speak to me....

Russia had 2 Armies numbering 90,000 men in Afghanistan

Having more troops is not a direct co-relation to more casualties

Who the hell has been teaching you combat tactics and force projection metrics?

In almost every encounter with the Taliban Terrorists....USA has inflicted 10 or 20 times more losses on these animals than they have on USA. USA has advanced technology and uses it to its full potential with devastating effect.

The only hindrance is that these animals crawl back into Pakistan where USA has to use drones to take these beasts out.

As for the Pakistani Army. It is a fraud and it has been exposed as a fraud. Its constant involvment in Pakistani Politics and running Pakistan has robbed it of its fighting potential.

And the way it ran away in SWAT and the constant way hundreds of Pakistani soldiers surrendered to Taliban Nazis.

Not 1 American Soldier has surrendered to Taliban.

Because stop living in this delusional state.

Its exactly your thinking in which Pakistan lost Bangladesh

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Well I am hopeful with Obama sending more troops to Afghanistan....the tide of battle will soon turn....

And don't be so happy at USA's misfortune.....Pakistan gains absolutely nothing with Taliban winning in Afghanistan.

Pakistan will be declared as a Terrorist State and will be isolated from around the world.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Pakis have misconception that any muslim fighting America is a friend of Pakistan

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

So after 8 years of fighting, if they win a battle !!! is this something to be proud off???

I guess it is Americans who have caused Anarchy in this region in the first place... I don't know, neither heard, the arms industry of WEST getting affected with this financial crunch.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

In 2001, Afghanistan was peaceful country, with no debts at all, with some fighting in the north, and with no export of drugs...

and then Americans showed up!!!

Now in 2009, Afghanistan is at war, there are debts on the country, the whole country has turned into a battle-field and with lots of opium fields...

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

As if USA was victorious in Vietnam or Cambodia. As if Sri Lanka has rooted out the problems. As if Israel has been able to force ideological changes among Palestinians through use of force for 50 years. We will never learn.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Srilanka has rooted out the problem to some extent as it was purely their internal dispute where the rebels were funded and supported by the external elements...

the problem of Israel is again somehow and internal dispute of Palestinians, they are working on the two state theory which may or may not workout, again, their no third party invaded the land..

US in Afghanistan is nothing more than an invader, who is their to make a govt of their liking.... in any kind of peace deal, Americans have to leave the country that is the only logical solution of the this problem... so what does this killings, death, blast and anarchy of 8/9 years has brought???

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Pak Fauj is not scared of anyone- this article is rubbish. Pakistani soldiers are the best fighters in Asia after Saudi Royal forces and fight till they finish their job. The training for Pak Army is one of the grueling and even a havildar or a barber from our Fauj can fight better than Marines or Navy Seal.

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

Yes 8 years and Super power realize they need to double the troops, what a strategy. Isn't Afghanistan becoming the junk yard of American ammunition?

If USA lost the bottle, the declared terrorist state will be a medal of winning for Pakistan :)

Re: A lesson for frightened Pak army on how to fight Taliban fasadis

In 2001 Afghanistan was a terrorist haven hosting foreign terrorists plotting global terrorist attacks.........

have you been living in a cave?