Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
Correct. But is there any Hindu wedding ritual that isn't religious...how about the jai-mala thingie where the bride and groom put flower haars on each other?
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
Man...I feel so bad for the girl's family though, it was probably tough for them to digest her conversion and now none of their wishes will be taken into account? Why not compromise, they can do the pheras without doing mantras or something like that.....or if they really want it, they can hold their own event.
Besides, lets face it....not to turn this into a religious discussion, but our own traditional Pakistani rasams do not necessarily have a basis in Islamic tradition. At a Pakistani wedding, I've seen the guy put sandaal powder in his bride's maang. Besides, there are Muslims all over the world who incorporate their own cultural traditions alongside the religious ones without any issues.
And its funny to me that the same people whose children run off and marry non Muslims are the same as those who jump ten feet at the thought of something un-Islamic at the wedding...
Invalid marriage, plus their kids will be illegitimate. Congrats...
Are you saying that all hindu kids are illegitimate cause their parents did not have a Muslim wedding.
I doubt what you just said. The nikkah will not be according to Sunnah for sure but marriage would be a valid one, unless the shirk factor is involved in rituals. Even then the marriage would be a valid one,
Correct. But is there any Hindu wedding ritual that isn't religious...how about the jai-mala thingie where the bride and groom put flower haars on each other?
I think anything that has some sort of religious intention/aspect to it or symbolizes anything of the hindu religion shouldn't be allowed. For example, if the jai mala thing is done because let's say hindus believe their gods did that then that would be wrong. If it's something cultural then nothing wrong (questionable) with it. We have mayun and mehndi which are all derived from the Indian culture.
whitesea, unfortunately everyone doesn't think it's that simple. Hindu wedding rituals have a lot of what muslims consider shirk...
Invalid marriage, plus their kids will be illegitimate. Congrats...
aare baba m nt saying to hv just a hindu wedding.......and it is mentioned in the niksik's post they are having nikah........pls read my post.
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
This thread is confusing, in the first post it's stated that her hindu friend is marrying a muslim male. It didn't say anything about her converting to Islam or not.
Invalid marriage, plus their kids will be illegitimate. Congrats...
They are both Muslim- valid marriage and legit children.
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
Ooh nevermind, eating and being on gupshup at the same time...sorry.
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
i am against all the fazool rasmain "mhendi, mayoon,joota chupai". and inshaALLAH i will not have any of it on my wedding. i will inshaALLAH convince my future hubby to get the estimate of all these fazool rasams (go to the video person, hall ppl and bla bla) and sadqa the equal amount. inshaALLAH
but then its the way i have planned. i dont know who is assist me in future, and neither i am aware of my in-laws. i also dont know what my MIL-to be has planned for his son.
cuz since i have plans for mine, there is chance she also has planned many thing.
my intentions are honest, and if she likes to have something then she can have it. cuz if something is making someone happy, then i must acknowledge that this is my foremost responsibility as a human.
so if her parents wants to have something insert any hindu rasam then let them have it, and pray to ALLAH SWT to show them the right path. her hindu parents are ignorant so welcome em in your circle.
imans third stage is if you dont like something, atleast call it bad it your heart.
so if her parents wants to have something insert any hindu rasam then let them have it,
Point is, one is obligated to listen to/obey his/her parents even if they are non Muslims unless they ask for shirk. If the saat pharaiy is shirk, its better to avoid that, if its just cultural, it may not be desirable but ok I guess
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
Zobia, thats really nice.
My husband is totally against the whole mehndi, mayun, walking under the dupatta and all that stuff and had strictly told his parents not to do anything of that sort. But his mom insisted on doing a mehndi for their side so he reluctantly agreed to make her happy and not cause any sort of badmazgi for anyone. Same thing with our side too, he isn't very happy but going along to make my parents (and MEEEE) happy.
It would be so odd to be walking around fire while the pundit chants and then directly off to a maulvi reciting verses from the Quran.
They should just incorporate some of the Hindu rituals like sangeet/mayun exchanges of garlands.
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
Hmm....very interesting subject.
Has several layers....like an onion.....but if I were to ignore all the other obvious issues with this situation then I would have to say that you incorporate the jai-mala and the mangal sutra traditions as these are somewhat already performed in many Muslim ceremonies.
We may not consider them a part of the actual ceremony and do them as a tradition outside of the nikah but we do exchange garlands and we do offer the mangal sutra more commonly known in our circles as kaali poth. (See tradition in Hyderabadi culture.)
If this was happening in my family I would have some serious issues with any sort of pooja-paat and phairay as my understanding is that these are religious in connotation. I simply would not allow that.
It is a very difficult situation when a child decides to leave the faith that they were born into to marry a Muslim, particularly if they are not from what we consider "people of the book" as their ceremonies are in direct contradiction to Islam. I feel for her parents and I wish that when people take such steps they would be so steadfast in their decision to convert that they make it clear to their parents that no such practices will be tolerated. But that would be utopia, wouldn't it?
The unfortunate side of the matter is that many such conversions are not entered into for the love of Islam but as a matter of convenience so that they are able to have a nikah performed; a sort of formality that is viewed more as a necessary evil. (I am not suggesting that this is the case here so please don't be offended.)
My husband is totally against the whole mehndi, mayun, walking under the dupatta and all that stuff and had strictly told his parents not to do anything of that sort. But his mom insisted on doing a mehndi for their side so he reluctantly agreed to make her happy and not cause any sort of badmazgi for anyone. Same thing with our side too, he isn't very happy but going along to make my parents (and MEEEE) happy.
same here....him and his family arent so crazy about naach gaana, but they're letting us have a mehndi.
Point is, one is obligated to listen to/obey his/her parents even if they are non Muslims unless they ask for shirk. If the saat pharaiy is shirk, its better to avoid that, if its just cultural, it may not be desirable but ok I guess
I agree.
If we are to consider that she is now a Muslim and as a momin she is required to obey her parents in every aspect except when they ask her to participate in shirk then she must do whatever is possible to appease them.
The real question now is whether or not the phairay can be defined as "shirk".
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
Interesting…
TBH, personally i’m not into the whole naach-ghaana business at weddings, and Mr Maroush just wanted a simple Nikkah and dinner with family and friends…but as my in-laws are of a different religion and culture, they have different traditions, so in the end we had a “french style” reception for them. I wore a western style wedding dress, a wedding toast was made, we drank (non-alcoholic) from specially engraved goblets, we had a “croquembouche” cake, there was dancing…although i drew the line when it came to the traditional wedding prank of "charivari (where people come with pots and pans and make noise incessantly to disturb your “wedding night” 
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I see all of the above that we engaged in as harmless… my in-laws requested it and and you know what; it made them happy. It made them feel involved and i felt happy knowing that they were happy. It’s a small request on their behalf, but it’s a lifetime of happiness for them… so you’re starting your marriage on the right foot basically…
Now i’m not too sure about Hindi wedding customs, but i think, seeing as most of “desi weddings” contain many elements of Hindu tradition anyway, it would be sad for the couple to not fulfill any wishes of the girl’s parents. But there is a huge difference between cultural traditions and religious doings.
Re: A hindu-muslim wedding!!!
There are tons of hindu traditions that don't fall under "border line of shirk"
Culture minus the religion.
Sangeet, dhoolki, mangal suttar (may Indian muslim women wear them), the rice throwing (also in pusthun culture)
Can they do the saat pheeray without the "mantar" part. Just look at as a bon fire. :) I mean it's just a ritual.
Our weddings (pakistani) are really not the most simple versions of islamic weddings (just take a look in this forum)
Correct. But is there any Hindu wedding ritual that isn't religious...how about the jai-mala thingie where the bride and groom put flower haars on each other?
In Bengali weddings (tho I think it's getting rarer now) they have that ceremony beforehand called 'gaye holud' where they smear yellow paste all over the bride or groom's face whilst force feeding them sweets. It's something Hindus also do but I don't think it has any religious significance (point is to make the person glow or something but really they just end up looking jaundiced). I think my brother and his other half might be doing this ceremony, tho there's no way I'm actually gonna take part..
Sangeet, dhoolki, mangal suttar (may Indian muslim women wear them), the rice throwing (also in pusthun culture)
Religiously speaking, sangeet is as haram as saat phairay. If one can do the former, one should not have a heart burn doing the later
Religiously speaking, sangeet is as haram as saat phairay. If one can do the former, one should not have a heart burn doing the later
sangeet is the same as a mehndi no? Its basically just singing and dancing... and if saat phairay involves praying to the gods, I don't think they are equally haram because nothing supercedes shirk.