A Heroine Walking in the Shadow of Death (Mukhtar Mai)

Mukhtar Mai, such a brave and courageous woman.

When I met Mukhtar Mai here two years ago, she was at her wits' end. Her campaign to fight rape and illiteracy had run out of money, and she was selling family possessions to keep her schools operating.
 
Now so much has changed. Mukhtar, who also goes by the name Mukhtaran Bibi, has become an international celebrity. Her autobiography is the No. 3 best seller in France and is coming out this fall in the U.S., movies are being made about her, and she has been praised by dignitaries like Laura Bush and the French foreign minister.
 
Pakistan has also provided a paved road, electricity and telephone service to this village, she herself has learned to read in one of her own schools, and her new aid group is flourishing. 
Best of all, her campaign is really working: more women seem to be prosecuting rapes and acid attacks, and there's some evidence that such violence is dropping.
But partly because of her success, there's a good chance that Mukhtar will be murdered. "The traditional landowners want me dead," Mukhtar said sadly. "And the government doesn't want me around, either." 
 
President Pervez Musharraf is a modern man, and I'm sure he is privately repulsed by acid attacks and rapes. In some respects, he's doing a fine job — above all, he's presiding over a stunning 8 percent economic growth rate (those socks you're wearing may be manufactured in Pakistan). 
But Mr. Musharraf seems to feel that Mukhtar is casting a spotlight on Pakistan's dark side, so he is leading an effort to bully her into silence. 
The authorities confiscate Mukhtar's mail and feed vicious propaganda to sympathetic journalists, portraying her as a liar, a cheat and an unpatriotic dupe of India (and of me).
 
"My life and death is in God's hands," she said. "That doesn't bother me. But why does the government keep treating me as if I were a liar and criminal?"
A top police official has threatened to imprison her for fornication, which would discredit her and remove her from the scene. The charge is ludicrous, for Mukhtar is constantly chaperoned — by rape victims who have sought sanctuary here and sleep on the floor beside her each night.
"For the first time, I feel that the government has a plan to deal with me," Mukhtar told me. And that plan, she said, is to kill her or throw her into prison. 
Naseem Akhtar, the principal of Mukhtar's elementary school for girls, added, "I want you to know that no matter how we are killed, even if it looks like an accident, it isn't."
 
The threats have come from high up. Brig. Ijaz Shah, a buddy of President Musharraf's, traveled to Lahore in December to deliver a personal warning. He met Dr. Amna Buttar, an American citizen who has interpreted for Mukhtar in the U.S. and heads a Pakistani-American human rights organization that is supporting her. 
 
According to Dr. Buttar, Mr. Shah started by defending the president's record on women's rights. But then, alluding to a planned visit by Mukhtar to New York, he added: "We can do anything. ... We can just pay a little money to some black guys in New York and get people killed there."
That's right. The racism is the least of it: one of President Musharraf's closest aides was warning that unless Mukhtar piped down, the government of Pakistan might murder her and her American interpreter on the streets of New York. I asked the Pakistani government why it would do that, and Mr. Shah sent me a statement acknowledging that he had met with Dr. Buttar, but he said it had been a social visit and denied that he had threatened to kill anyone. "The allegations to this effect are baseless," he said.
Just for the record, I don't believe him. Mr. Musharraf should fire him at once.
I make a big deal of Mukhtar because if poor nations like Pakistan are to develop, they need to empower women. When a country educates girls, they grow up to have fewer children and look after them better. They take productive jobs. And plenty of studies show that as women gain influence over family budgets, the money is less likely to go for tobacco, soda or alcohol, and more likely to be invested in small businesses and in children's education.
 
This means that gender equality is not only a matter of simple justice, but also essential for fighting poverty and achieving economic development. If Pakistan is to become a rich and powerful country, it must empower its women — and that is what Mukhtar's revolution is all about.
 
select.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/opinion/04kristof.html 

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Mukhtar Mai is definately a heroine and a symbol of courage for Pakistani women. It is so unfortunate that Pakistani society doesn't do more to protect the most precious thing that any society has and that is their women. Without them there would be no society. Any society where women are educated, respected and protected, turns out to be a great society. Backward cultural traditions tied with religious extremism has resulted in this extreme hostile attitude towards women. I would believe the Maulana's talk about implementation of Islam when they talk as feverishly about women's rights and education as they do when they see cartoons published in some ****ty European paper. When processions are taken out to protest what has happened to Mukhtar Mai, I would believe the sencerity of Pakistani leadership.

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Above post is biased and has no basis for the points raised.

There is nothing about religion and what happened to Mai. There was never a muslim extremist involved in that evil act so try not to link the two.
And watch TV with open mind...just a humble advise for your sanity.

Learn how places with high education do have high rate of rape, murder and abuse of women. Bottom line........no one is pure and angelic.

If you search news of rape or gang rape you will find any country or 'religious' people engaged in this heinous crime invloving not only women but men or boys. Many have been ignored or protected by powerful people. Even murder is not immune from getting protection from powerful people who can buy lawyers etc.

So what's the point of above post besides bashing muslims/pakistan? None whatsoever!

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No one can give answer to the fact, evil people belong to all religions and do evil things in the name of any religion.

But thread is purely based on muslim/islam bashing.

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Ummm, to the person who called my post biased. To answer your question, I am no lefty, liberal and yes I am very open minded and don't believe much about what is told as news on TV. I try to gather facts from the posted biased news on TV, internet, etc etc.

Now if that is clear, then to the point at hand. Refute my claim that women are treated as equals in Pakistan overall but particularly in the remote areas and villages. Before answering that question tell me what happens to an innocent women who gets raped in Pakistan? What does her family think of her and what does the society and law think of it? Do the courts take her word for what happened if the person raped her in a closed room with no one around? Does her family think she is an innocent victim or do they think their "honor" is ruined and that she is responsible for that?

And yes, I live in the USA and know about all the rapes and what not that happen here. Granted the USA has laws and women have the choice to go to courts and get justice. Many do get justice but some bad people do get away. I am not refuting that and I am not blaming Pakistan to be perfect in every sense. What I am talking about is that the local law in that area forced a gang rape of her. Only when the story got publicity that something was done about it. But what would Mukhtar Mai have as an option if her story wasn't all over the world? Would Pakistan have helped her?

Now for the maulana stuff. My point was that social ill's like these, honor killings, taking revenge, treating women like animals, etc were the reason why people moved towards Islam. You see, these are the things the mullah's need to talk about in their Friday khutba's and hold processions for. This is the Islam that is needed in Pakistan. But what do we have. Kill people because some danish paper disrespected the Prophet. Take down posters or ads because female figures are on them. Ban music. The list goes on and on. Tell me where was MMA when Mukhtar Mai told the world what had happened to her? I bring them into the post because they claim to be the one's who want Islamic system in Pakistan.

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OK, long post with many good points but many biased and 'angry' statements.

At least I got you to say that evil people are present everywhere and not everyone gets justice regardless of education or not. Some get more justice some get less.

There are many weaknesses in many parts of the world including poor Pakistan only 58 years old compared to hundred years old countries.

So, when you mentioned about 'education' being the standard of morality...you were dead wrong.When you said more needs to be done..you were right on the money.

When you dragged Islam or mullahs into this kind of issues citing any sort of relevance...you were again dead wrong.

Cartoons issue has no relevance to this issue but was used to get a leverage over the argument..thats all.

Why can't anyone stick to the issue at hand and talk about solution?

Do you propose a solution besides complaining against mullahs or whatever?

Why should mullahs be telling everyone what to do when others (non-mullahs) do absolutely nothing? You are giving them power admit it.

Ok if you (meaning people like you) disagree with protest against cartoons then don't do it. But if you are really so sincere about rape and not BIASED on this issue then what did you (meaning again people like you) did to promote awareness and WRITE SOLUTONS for this great sin besides bashing islam or Pakistan or Mullahs???

Please don't get me wrong that I in any way support any innocent person raped, murdered or hurt by any means or support any such LOCAL (UNWRITTEN) LAW as you mentioned.

One does not have to go far from Pakistan to find women are treated like animals in many societies....in some places willingly! Hope you did not get surprised to know that.

Your post did have bias Sir. Just to bash Pakistan, Islam or mullahs.
Admit it or not.

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I agree with Deedawar on this one. First of all, those cartoon protests werent ordered by the Government, so your post makes no sense XGURU!

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Thanks a bunch.

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Deedawar,

Actually your post is also filled with angry responses. You seem to be confusing Islam and what the mullahs/maulana's actually do. If you read my posts you will find no where I condemn Islam or drag Islam into any issue. I am a Muslim myself, an educated one to boost, so don't need a mullah/maulana to guide me about Islam. I can read the Quran/Sunnah and have done it and continue to understand it and will continue to do so, insallah.

The point is that MMA as a religious and political party (also part of the government mind you) portrays itself as the know all be all regarding Islam in Pakistan. Since they do tell people in the NWFP and everywhere in Pakistan about morality and how to act and behave and what is Islamic and what is not... My point is that they go to great lengths to protest cartoons, ban music, photos of women in media, etc. yet they ignore the core things about Islam such as protecting women rights, educating women, getting rid of tribal culture, etc. In essence to me they distort Islam and what it stands for and hence they need to be exposed for what they are.

Where are they when women are raped and their right to justice taken away from them by the law of the land. Where are the fatwa's regarding this matter. What has the MMA done to get rid of tribal culture in the NWFP? They rule that province now. The same goes to the "secular" goverment of Pakistan.

As for me, what have I done. Well I live here in the USA. The best I can help women like Mukhtar Mai are to give financial help to the organizations in Pakistan that are trying to give these Islamic rights to women. I have helped them financially with the limited means that I have and I write about it whenever I can on websites like this. Whenever I get into discussions about Islam and Pakistan with people here in the USA I try to educate them about what Islam really is and differentiate that from what these so called MMA types talk about.

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I never said cartoon protest were ordered by the government. Since you bring it up let me tell you that people marching in those protests did belong to the goverment though. You know who they were.

When I talked about government I talked about implementing the laws that protect the rights of women. When Mukhtar Mai was ordered to be raped by the local law (jirga) what did the GOP do about it. Don’t tell me local jirga is not the law in these rural areas. If her story had not been picked up by the international media do you think the local police would have arrested the jirga members who participated in the rape?

And, Mukhtar Mai now lives in fear of her life in Pakistan. Do you honestly think if she hadn’t gotten this much attention would she be alive today at all?

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Thread hijacked.......... first post has no mention of Islam or Muslims.....
Where are the mods.........

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I don’t think the thread is hijacked. Since nobody here wants to talk about social reform particularly when it concerns women in Pakistan, I guess go ahead and close the thread. It would be a great shame though.

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My dear educate friend. Nice to meet you.

I will try to answer why I still think you have a bias.

First point: Why do you care what anyone says or do or what anyone does or not do. What have you (or people like you) done to shed some of your 'education' to uneducated in Pakistan besides pointing to others?

Second point: You say that MMA says they know Islam or they pretend to know. Who asked you to believe them and point finger to Islam indirectly or directly?
What difference one can find between you and people who talk bad about islam seeing video/photos of people doing horrible crimes in the name of Islam? (BTW people of all religion do that and have done anyway)
If they distort Islam then why you even bring them into discussion? Are they so important for youy that you cannot condemn the culprit WITHOUT mentioning them (MMA people)?

I suggest you educate people about islam which is not distorted version instead of making these people popular who distort islam.

Third point: Govt. was opposed to the cartoon protest on streets and actually banned some political parties. Now why you came up with another theory that people were from government.....says a lot for your supposedly unbiased views.

4th Point: Do you honestly believe that international media really wanted something good for Pakistan from publishing the news ?

5th: Blame does go to LOCAL POWERFUL people and they must be condemned and punished for any such crime to let happen. But dragging Pakistan as a whole, its government, its general population, or religious people like mullahs is completely uncalled for and is strongly biased. ( I know you did not drag common people I added it for those who have any such idea even remotely)

I am glad that you got the message that evil people (unfortunately) are present everywhere.

Take care.

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Above post,
Well looks like you did not read my posts. Somehow you are lumping my views with some others and generalizing. Just talk about my posts or post your opinion about the story. Take care.

I don’t care what anyone says or does. But this is gupshup.org and we talk abou things and respond to posts. That’s what this forum is about. About educating people about Islam, I answered that in my posts. Read it.

You must obviously have a soft spot for MMA or might be a member. No where in my posts have I blamed Islam for anything. You have not read my posts. In Pakistan the MMA is the religious polictical group. PPP or PML or any other significant party is not. While all the big parties in Pakistan want laws based on Islam the MMA want an Islamic system which they define. Hence they are and should be viewed critically.

That is so funny. Isn’t MMA part of the government. Who is running the NWFP province? MMA members of parliament were the ones who organized these protests. How do you even refute fact like this?

Who really gives a rats ass about the international media. What are they to this story. Media is a business. I am talking about what happened to Mukhtar Mai.

My posts don’t drag Pakistan as a whole or religious people into this. Fact is local law was responsible for this crime. The goverment did nothing to give justice to the victim. Story goes worldwide and then the government does something. I would say government is to blame. Even to this day instead of talking about tribal culture and how to fix it by implementing Pakistan constitutional law, the President of Pakistan still blames the media for giving to much attention to this story. As for MMA, they are part of the government. They have clout in Pakistan and for most part define how Islam is defined by Pakistan. If they don’t fight to end these unislamic practices in their backyard then what does that tell you about them? That is my point.

Whatever makes you happy. I have known this fact for decades. Your bringing this up had no bearing what so ever. Take care.

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let’s talk about it xguru :rose:

first gang rapes are also happening in France, where laws zare rather well protecting women…but remember it’s not possible to put a policeman behind every single woman :rolleyes:…rapes are very unfortunate crimes affefctring mostly women…and children. But what can be done to prevent them?? raping is an instinct for some disturbed men…and such disrtubances of sexual behavior happen statiscally in any societies..just like pedophilia or homosexuality…a certain percentage of people suffer from these troubles but it’s not due to “culture”, “education”…

I agree the case of Mukhtar Mai is different..t was not a “sexual” rape…but a “social” rape…decided blood headed by criminal people, just like “honor” kiling or “honor” acid burning of women. It’s not due to social laws of Pakistan…it’s due to the mentality of people in rural areas…AND that MUST be CHANGED…as deedawar suggested Islam must be taught to these people…they should learn it’s a great sin to kill, rape or seriously injur a muslim (man or woman).
They should leanr what is the proper behavior in Islamic society: forced marriage are NOT allowed in Islam…as the forced consent is NOT valid as marriage…it means that the man is actually raping the woman:(…a great sin!
Women are not stupid and their views should be listened to..girls needs to go to school and learn to read and write like boys…all shool children should master at least the writngs of their mother tongue (i did not say urdu;) )…and learn basic islamic moral principles from Quran in their OWN language iinstead of reciting in arabic :rolleyes:…while almost no one knows it in pakistan!
men are not supposed to prevent their wives from seeing their parents…and people should NOT view the birth of a girl as a burden…These are some of the crucial problems of rural Pakistan, that must be eradicated with appropriate moral islamic teachings in shools

Finally I think that women problems in pkaistan is that from what I’ve seen a lot of “modern” women are more interested to gain the right to smoke, drink alcohol, wear undecent clothes and screw around with many men…than to claim the right to education for all girls in pakistan :rolleyes:

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Paris is right. Unfortunately, many people see modernism as the right to do all the bad things/selfish things.

The “that country is worse, other ppl r evil too” argument is tired and weak. It reeks of ignorance, neglecting the problems in your society and instead just pointing fingers at others.

Now the cartoons.. I dont’ think anyone was downplaying its importance or hte issue itsself, but rather the amt of attention and passion that was given to it. Not to say the issue didnt deserve it, but rather why aren’t other equally (perhaps more so) important issues given as much (local/national, not international) attention to it? Unfortunately this is the thinking of our society, that a woman who is raped deserved it or is lying. People just look at the money shes made, and they hate her for it. Lalach. :rolleyes:

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Above post,
That is precisely what I was talking about. People go overboard on things like cartoons which they know they cannot do anything about and people get killed in the process but when crimes like this happen in their own country by their own people responsible for protecting them they don't want to do anything.

Fixing social problems like these should be the priority of every Pakistani, I agree. But the leadership and guidance for that needs to come from the government and religious leaders in particular. If they stay silent and don't do anything then how will tribal culture ever end.

I also agree that rape and abuse happens in every society. But in countries where there is rule of law, the judges don't say because of what your brother might have done we need to rape you for justice to happen. Also, crimes like rape and abuse might not ever end but one can at least strive for giving justice to the victim. In an educated society where Islamic values are well understood and where alcohol is not available I would argue that such crimes would be very minimal and if they even happen justice would be quick.

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Xguru, there is a valid reason why they call you 'x' guru and not guru! YOu have lost it my Baha-rat-i friend

The Government was criticized by the mau-lannaz for not opposing or criticizing denmark for the cartoons, and you on the other hand are saying they were the ones heading the rallies. Oye Baboo, why the lies? Why the insecurity. Or maybe you read that on baharata (bakwas) rakshak.com?

As for this mai, yes what happened to her was very very bad. But now she is just a puppet, being flocked around all over the world just to degrade Pakistans name rather than doing something positive to bring about a change in Pakistan. Read the transcripts of her shows abroad, all they talk about is how PAkistan is a hell hole, rather than doing anything positive to bring about a change in oppressed women's plight, which is still ALOT better than how it is in Baharat-land.

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Oeee, call yourself a Baha-rat-i. No need to resort to name calling if you have nothing constructive to say. I have been on this board long enough to know your types.

Just about myself to let your pea brain know I was born in Karachi, Pakistan. Grew up in Lahore and Islamabad and still my entire family lives in Islamabad and Lahore. I am currently living in the USA in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. So my credentials as Pakistani-American are well established. Who the hell are you?

I will leave it at that. My posts are there for everyone to read.

Now for more responses I might get from the types of tmx305, let me say one last time… I said, MMA was involved in cartoon protests. MMA is running NWFP (Part of government) and has significant numbers in parliament. I never said government didn’t try to stop protests. Read my posts. Here is proof of that:

http://www.gulf-news.com/indepth/danishcontroversy/more_stories/10021359.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/19/pakistan.cartoons/
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2006-daily/27-02-2006/oped/o5.htm

Enough said…

Now read this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7245230/site/newsweek

You call her a puppet and say she is tarnishing Pakistan’s image. Looks like she is still living in Pakistan and actually trying to do something about the conditions of women there. What does that say about you? You should be ashamed.

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tmx305,

Also, btw, they call me xguru because the "x" stands for Unix. I have been working with Unix systems for the last 15 years.