A discussion on scientific issues addressed in the Quran (Edited)

ARE THERE REALLY ANY SCIENTIFC ERRORS IN THE BOOK OF ALLAH OR IS IT JUST WE NEED TO STUDY QURAn CLOSELY AND OBJECTIVELY…at the same time having knowledge of arabic language because without knowing arabic language quran can never bee fully understood…HERE IS SOME INTERESTING MATERIAL:

PART 1 :

E. Alleged Scientific Errors

The orientalists allege that the Qur’an reproduces the contemporary errors about the nature of the earth and sky. One of them reproduces translations of about eight verses from the Qur’an and says that the Qur’an addresses its first audience, the Arabs, in terms of their own world picture. He generously suggests that “it was not essential for god’s purpose that false ideas of this sort should be corrected, since the Qur’anic message could be communicated to them (the Arabs) without straightening these beliefs.”

In asserting these statements the orientalists are actually reflecting the modern Christian’s attitude to his own sacred scriptures, due to general awareness from the nineteenth century of the existence of a number of scientific inaccuracies in the Biblical texts. In view of these inaccuracies the opinion first gained ground that there was an antagonism between science and religion. Gradually, however, the notion of a text of revelation communicated by God gave way to the idea of text “inspired” by God but written down by human beings. The Biblical authors, it came to be assumed, might have introduced inaccuracies to the text arising from the language of the day or from ideas and traditions still honored and prevalent at the time, but that did not deter them from their being divinely inspired. The Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) adopted a document, which recognizes that the Books of the Old Testament contain material that is imperfect and obsolete.

“The scientific errors in the Bible are the errors of mankind, for long ago man was like a child, as yet ignorant of science,” states an eminent Modern Christian thinker.

Regarding the Shape of the Earth

One of the orientalist writers (Watt) recognizes that different words are used to describe the earth and that “there is no special emphasis on flatness”. But he says that all the expressions “would be interpreted by the hearers in terms of their belief that the earth is flat”, for “no one supposed that the earth would be otherwise”.

However, in his own words this person admits that the passages do not give the expression that the earth is flat, unless approached with such a notion. In other words, if a modern man with his scientific knowledge approaches these verses, it will be found that the passages cited by the orientalist (Watt) are full of unprecedented scientific significance not only regarding the earth but also regarding other matters.

The word ARD occurred in the Qur’an some 461 times. Most of these uses are in connection with a description of God’s absolute dominion over the entire universe and His power of creation. In a number of places the word clearly comes in the sense of country or dominion, while at other places it is used metaphorically to denote worldly life.

Without going into detailed analysis, it can be easily shown that the writer has used his limited knowledge of translation to make such statements, while the Qur’anic word provides the meaning of a sphere.

Some of the verses selected by the orientalists and their correct meaning are as follows.

  • “Sutihat” [Qur’an 88:20] means surface, outer layer, outer cover, roof, deck, plane etc. With the modern knowledge that the interior of earth is full of gaseous and liquid materials (lava) and that the land surface is only an outer cover resembling the skin of an egg. With the verse 88:19 of how the mountains have been set up, the more appropriate and accurate meaning would be,

“(Do they not look) to the earth how it has been surfaced and planed?” [Qur’an 88:20]

  • “Mihada” [Qur’an 78:6] means resting place, habitat, abode, bosom, cradle and figuratively fold (in which something rests). So the correct translation would read as,

“Have We not made the earth as a cradle?”[Qur’an 78:6]

  • “Muddat” [Qur’an 84:3] clearly bears the meaning of “is flattened.” When read with verse 84:4 it would mean,

“And when the earth is flattened and it throws off what is in it and gets emptied” [Qur’an 84:3]

This is a description of what will happen when the earth (world) is brought to an end and the resurrection takes place.

  • “Dahaha” [Qur’an 79:30] Keeping in view of the root word provides a very positive Qur’anic evidence in support of spherical shape of the earth. The root word Dhaha means to “shaped like an egg”.

These passages wherein it occurs with any description of its shape and nature may be divided into two categories.

In one category it is mentioned in combination with or in comparison to the mountains and rivers. Here the emphasis is on how the earth has been made suitable and useful for man and the other creatures. The reader’s attention is drawn to the objects of nature and land surface falling with his immediate view. This can be seen in the first three examples above.

In the second category of passages the word occurs in relation to the sun, the moon, the skies and the universe in general. Here the earth is spoken of as a unit and the description really gives an insight into its shape, position and even movement in shape. This can be seen in the last example above.

MORE TO COME…(taken from islam-online…)

PART2 :

Concerning the Sky

  • The orientalists suggest that the Qur’an only pick up the prevailing erroneous notion and conceive the sky to be something built on solid materials “presumably of stone.”

  • Qur’an does not give any indication that the sky was built on solid materials or stone. Instead a careful glance into the verses will show some startling scientific details, some of which is still being in the process of discovery.

  • The sky at the beginning was only smoke (or vaporous or gaseous)

  • The sky and the earth were initially one mass but they were subsequently cloven asunder.

  • The Qur’an speaks of seven skies in at least 9 places.

  • Three of the eight passages cited by one of the orientalists (Watt) to prove what he supposes to be scientific errors in the Qur’an contain at least three such facts as run directly counter to his assumption.

These Facts Are...

That God has shaped the earth like an egg Qur’an 79:30; and that He makes the night cover the day (13:3) which is a further indication of the spherical nature of the earth;

That plants and fruits, besides other objects, are created in pairs (of sexes) 13:3;

That the sky (space) is continually expanding Q 51:47.

These and other statements such as the that at the beginning the sky was only “Smoke” (or vaporous or gaseous) 41:11, that the skies and the earth were initially one mass but they subsequently coven asunder 21:30, and the whole universe traveling at a tremendous speed are complete with scientific truths, which the modern world with the latest scientific equipment is still unraveling.

As such, the assumption that the Qur’anic view of the sky and earth is primitive reflecting the knowledge of the seventh century is wrong. Instead, it exposes the authors’ approach to the Qur’an with the primitive notion, putting a very narrow construction on them.

These authors ignore a number of other statements in the Qur’an that are surprisingly in accordance with modern scientific information about the sky and the significance of which may be fully appreciated with the further progress of our knowledge.

material taken from islam-online..........

HILAL K.

there are NO errors in the Quran.

Science can have errors, NOT THE QURAAN - Get it.

May Allah(swt) guide us all - Ameen

This book has no contradictions nor any errors.

Ya RABBI!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUBHANALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BROTHERS and SISTERS PLZ READ MY THREAD BEFORE COMING TO CONCLUSIONS "
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WHAT IAM TRYING TO SAY IS THERE ARE NO ERRORS IN THE BOOK OF ALLAH
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plz READ MY THREAD IT
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THE CLAIMS OF THOSE WHO SAY QURAN HAS ERRORS!!!!!!!!!!!

SubhanALLAH it is true tht we jump to conclusions

my thread is a SLAP on the FACES of those who doubt THE WORD OF ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

u shuold at least hv read my thread it tlks bout the sceintific things mentioned in the quran

PERHAPS MY POST TITLE WAS A BIT MISLEADING>>>>>>>>>>

HILAL K

Qur'an is the only pure book on Earth. I know because i've read it.

PLZ READ MY POST IT DOESNOT SAY QURAN HAS SCIENTIFIC ERRORS IT RATHER*REFUTES!!!!!!!!* those who SAY so.........

MY POST deals WITH SCIENTIFIC DATA PRESENT IN the QURAN

mind u iam NOT SHER iam a muslim.........

MAYBE THE TOPIC HEADING WAS MISLEADING

thts why u guyz didnt BOTHER reading my POST and JUMPED to CONCLUSIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Shouldn't be using misleading titles then should you?

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Shouldn't be using misleading titles then should you?
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It was your mistake that you didnt read the whole post before posting your comments. Please be brave enough admit mistakes rather then blamin it on others all the time.

wht hell this forum is...is this a muslim paki forum or moderate americans forum who can say pooor abt islam..1 two hindus were telling us islam history and tht topic errors in quran...astrafullah...wht the **** tht is..kuch sharam karo...1 of author should not post it beac we have to discourage such things cuz jews lobi is behind tht..and second thing is quran is based uponj science...i have read hundreds of books on quran and sciencee...quran has no mistake wht so eva..things which were said by quran 1400 years ago is now proving right by science.....

question: is there an Islamic version of the Adam & Eve story in the Quran?

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Qur'an is the only pure book on Earth. I know because i've read it.
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In plain words, the Qur’an says that one of the righteous men of God’s servants saw the sun set in a certain place of the earth—in particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur’an (chapter "the Cave", verse 86),

"When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: ‘O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness"’ (Surah 18:86).

Lest I failed to understand what the Qur’an meant by these strange words, I referred to the famous students of the Qur’an as well as to the ancient scholars. I discovered that all of them concurred with this rendering and said that Muhammad’s friends inquired about the sunset and that he gave them that answer. All the scholars such as the Baydawi, Jalalan, and Zamakhshari confirm it. The Zamakhshari remarks in his book, "the Kash-shaf",

"Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?’ He answered: ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water"’ (3rd Edition, Volume 2 p. 743,1987).

Dear brothers in Islam. We should always be clear what we post. Although I understand that the niyah of the Muslim brother who posted this was good. However selection of wording makes such a big difference in who a topic is perceived.

Quran is free from errors. It is the very word of Allah. It is a miracle itself. Each and every word of it is so dear to us, because Allah blessed us by speaking to us mankind. The challenge remains even today and will always remain to non-believers about producing a single ayat (verse) like the one in Quran.

It is upon us to understand and take guidance. The problem with all those non-Muslims who jumped in is that to acheive guidance, they have to let go of their biases towards Islam.

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Dear brothers in Islam. We should always be clear what we post. Although I understand that the niyah of the Muslim brother who posted this was good. However selection of wording makes such a big difference in who a topic is perceived.

Quran is free from errors. It is the very word of Allah. It is a miracle itself. Each and every word of it is so dear to us, because Allah blessed us by speaking to us mankind. The challenge remains even today and will always remain to non-believers about producing a single ayat (verse) like the one in Quran.

It is upon us to understand and take guidance. The problem with all those non-Muslims who jumped in is that to acheive guidance, they have to let go of their biases towards Islam.
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Variations in the codices show that the original text of the Qur'an cannot have been perfect. The fact that a little known secretary (Zaid ibn Thabit) was chosen as the final arbiter of the Qur'anic text points to possible political interference. The admission by this secretary that the task of collating the verses was unduly daunting and his consequent pronouncement that one verse was initially missing from his finished text (sura 33:23) while another verse, according to authoritative sources, is still missing (the stoning verse) puts even more suspicion on its authenticity.
On top of that, the many variations which exist between Zaid's text and those of supposedly more authoritative collators (Mas'ud and Ka'b) can only add to the perception of many today that the Uthmanic Qur'an which we supposedly have today leaves us with more doubt than assurance for its authority as the perfect word of God.

Yet that is not all. We also know from Muslim tradition that the Uthmanic Qur'an had to be reviewed and amended to meet the Caliph's standard for a single approved text even after Uthman's death. This was carried out by al-Hajjaj, the governor of Kufa, who made eleven distinct amendments and corrections to the text, which were later reduced to seven readings.

If the other codices were in existence today, one could compare the one with the other to ascertain which could claim to be closest to the original. Even Hafsah's copy, the original from which the final text was taken, was later destroyed by Mirwan, the governor of Medina. But for what reason???

I would just say one thing about your ignorance. GO to Turkey an dvisit the Topkapi museum. You will see the Quran which Usman :razi: had. I have heard, you willl even find his blood on it.
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If you know Arabic, read the Quran there and let me know if there are any differences from the Quran we have today.

Challenge 2: Pick up any Quran from any part of the world and from any age, and let me know if they are different. They are all the same, read the same way, words prononced the same way. Nothing added nothing deleted. Take it from Iran, from Yemen , from Pakistan, from Indonesia, even from a library in USA or England. and than come here with your garbage.

Lets see how you face your satanic thoughts.

A page from the copy of the Holy Qur’an, from the time of Caliph Uthman, kept in Tashkent
(Sura 2:7-10; part of the left margin has not been reproduced)

Take a copy of the Qur’an available today and compare.
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Another page from the copy of the Holy Qur’an, from the time of Caliph Uthman, kept in Tashkent (Sura 7:86-87)
Take a copy of the Qur’an available today and compare
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Read the post again, I did say that the copy we have today is the one edited by Usman what I am asking is that whatever happened to the other copies why they were detroyed???

fantastic reply

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Read the post again,,,, I did say that the copy we have today is the one edited by Usman what I am asking is that whatever happened to the other copies why they were detroyed??????
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Yes with the rapid expansion of the Islamic empire, and due to thousands embracing Islam (this itself is unique in history as within 50 years Islam spread to 3 continents) who were not Arabic speakers, changes started appearing in pronounciations. When they wrote them down, many started writing it in the way that suited their way of saying it. So these copies were removed and the ones with the right grammar and pronounciation were made available throughout the state.

I hope your little narrow mind understands the facts as they are without going to any anti-islamic website which is full of biases and false claims and lies. Try to live in this world by making your own judgments and analyses by searching for truth yourself. I am sure you would find light at the end of the tunnel.

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We also know from Muslim tradition
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suddenly you are arguing using Muslim traditions? You're better off doing it with science, archaeology, even logic or philosophy, than use a strawman like Muslim traditions for your argument.