A disappointing Dr Zakir Naik

zakir naik may Allah be pleased with yazid Lanatullah

Salam all
Hy people some of my frndz respected zakir naik for his knowledge but then he used "yazid, may Allah be pleased with him " in one of his lectures.
I dunno what u guys think abt it offcourse i expect some yazidi's to speak for him and they will but i think Zakir naik doesnt even deserves to be called a muslim
plzz post ur comments on what do u think abt him ?
Thanks
Aqeel

The video was in youtube bfr but its been deleted for some wiered reason. I cant post any link since i havnt made 25 posts yet and i have to make 25 posts bfr i can send a pvt message thats new !!!!!

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Puttar calm down! I had opened a thread too a while ago but I guess ppl aren’t so concerned about such things here.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=272138

Here’s what he said (yup finally found it) Apparently the original video was deleted because there’s were lots of anti-zakir comments left there.

On the 10th of Muharram, the majlis in Australia was a rebuttal of Zakir Naik’s comments.

You must watch it all. :k: Ammar’s approach to the issue is good and really makes u learn a lot about this whole issue and about this personality - the man called Yazid. He brings up lots of sunni references well. You must watch this whole majlis.

For shias, this is issue is as emotional n sensitive as the Danish cartoons were to the muslims. Youtube now has many videos against him and there r rebuttals against what he said, press conference organised to condemn what he said.

I am surprised though Zakir is not commenting on this publicly.

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Without going too much into what Yazid should be called, suffice to say most of my feelings are not fit to be written on the dissolute, cruel, ungrateful, immoral, power hungry ahole.

But as a shia I find the shia reaction to this to be over the top. Its okay to rebut him in majalis etc, but to have chalkings and expecting condemnation from everyone and a collective grinding of the noses of sunnies is maybe asking too much. ive recieved this clip three times already.

We say what we want about people Sunnies love. Good. I believe that to be a right, as an expression of our beliefs. If a small portion of Sunnies now lauds people we hate then thats fair too, dont silence people just cause you get angry. Anyone can get angry, at anything. You dont stop expressing yourself because someone gets angry.

The appropriate thing is to counter his argument, and move on.

I feel the same way about Danish Cartoons by the way.

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Assalamalikum,

Please do not belittle one of the greatest scholar of Islam, for he had every right, knowledge and position to make that statement.

I'm sure Dr. Zakir Naik had his reasoning too, why not ask him directly? I'm sure he will give you a clear answer.

How do people rely on fabricated events, which wont have any influence on them on the day of judgement (will god ask if you cursed yazid or not? NO)?

Atleast there is a logical approach, from the sunni perspective. Thats what I believe, because why wouldn't we have days to mourn and beat ourselves for ALL the messengers, and ALL the companions, and ALLLLLLLL the people in between Adam a.s. and Us, who are from the family of the Prophets pbut.

Makes no logical sense if you put it in that manner right?

I think I might have offended shias on this belief, but thats where I'm coming from, and I apologize.

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Salam,

JazakAllah for the just post.

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greatest scholor of islam zakir naik, no wonder u call umer the biggest legend of islam
thats just the way hypocracy works.

Wow shocked as always, dont call urself sunni, coz u dont have sunnin belives, ...... one of the reason we r doing matam for last 1400 years is to make sure karbala stays alive and people like zakir naik and you cant call it a political war.....
Hazrat Asghar a.s who was 6 months when he was martyred in karbala, is there any justification for killing him in a political war ?
Y dont we morn prophets, we celebrate it when Hazrat Islmail a.s was saved by ALLAH and a sheep was sacrified, U celebrate it coz u r invited in Quran, for mourning u dont need an invitation, who ever cares just shows up at the door step when someone passes away.
When hazrat Ismail was saved ALLAH told Irbahim a.s that he has accepted his sacrify and he will turn that into a bigger one, and Hazrat ibrahim prayed that sacrify must come from hsi family, dont u think that bigger sacrify is karbala, After all Hussain a.s does come in Ibrahim's family....
U wud be questioned for being there when it was a clebration and not being there when there was a death in Ibrahim a.s family !!!!!!!!
wasalam
Aqeel !!

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Zakir Naik is not a scholar at all in my eyes. Even in comparative religion. Most of the things he says dont hold any water. Now that he said what he said about yazeed, Its more proof that he isnt a scholar in the slightest way. ppl should be ashamed of themselves saying things like that. the sad thing is, so many ppl listen to that dude. and now they are all gonna think kerbala was a political thing. shame on him

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and hey one more thing about beating/ matam that pplz say shias do it let
me tell one thing
Matam is NOT part of Shi'a Islam, it is a manner of mourning. You do NOT have to do Matam. That's number 1.

Second, there is no prohibition of Matam in the Qur'an or Sunnah, but there is AMPLE EVIDENCE to suggest that the Prophets and their Sahaba mourned in this way.

For example, in Sahih al-Bukhari, Sunan al-Nasa'i, and Sahih Muslim:

**"Rasulullah (s) was in a state where he was hitting his chest."

**What Owais Qarny, when after Rasoolullah broke a tooth during a battle, he took a stone and broke all of his teeth? What about that one? What does Abu Huraira have to say about that? Do these people not realize that history agrees with the permissibility of Matam?

The Qur'an says:

"Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) An old barren woman?" (51:29)

Prophet Adam is narrated in their books to have beat himself:

"Hadhrath Adam was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen." - Ma'arij al-Nabuwwah

this is what i know and i think things should be clear

and just stop the fight
become one ..as it should be our prophet Muhammad s.a.w never wanted this
muslims in different sects .. its such a pity

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wow finally someone speaking for shia's beside me, Koool nice to see that :)
Wasalam
Aqeel

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Salam,
and this is how ignorance works.

I wasn't even talking about Dr. Zakir naik, I was referring to the quote I posted, regarding Imam Ghazali r.a.

So I didn't really bother reading the rest after that.

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Ok here comes a hater, Hazrat Ali did it for Khilafat,
I like ur message from one expect that u picked one, (Usman and mavia) or Ali a.s not both, since both cant be rite.
Now the worst word u said, he Hazret Ali A.s did it for Khilfat is just ur theory, if u r sunni open ur own books where Hazrat Ali a.s was offered postion as 3rd califh and he refused. ( he refused coz he was to offer Aligence to Sunnat Mohammed s.aw , Quran and Shekhieen and he refused saying If he follows shekhieen then he is not following Quran and Prophet s.a.w sunnat, so its not possible) if he wanned the seat that much he could have get it there...
However if u r wahabi, salafi and other among those then dont bother reading ur books cause they r only arnd 300 years old as wahabi's didnt have a history before ....

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am sorry if thats the case, I thought we were talkin abt zakir naik here and callin him greatest scholor of islam after what he said kinda bothers me,
sorry again
wasalam
Aqeel

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1 ... he knows
2 .... if hazrat Imam Hussain a.s did particpate in fight then, u wud use the same words other guy did for Imam Ali a.s ... I.e he fought for Khilafaat, Now my question to u ...
If it was a polotocal war, why not just get rid of Imam hussain a.s ? y his whole family ? why did yazid made his family captive , Is killing 6 month old a political war ?
Simply its hate, hate that yazid (l.a)'s Father Mavia l.a had for Imam Ali a.s and mavia l.a's father abu sufiyaan l.a had for islam ..... Only hate can make someone kill a 6 months old ...
I have heared that if there were No Ali asghar a.s and Sakina a.s people wud have called it a political war, And now i see people still do, just coz they dunt know what happened at karbala but there scholars like Yazid ibn-e- Yazid Zakir naik l.a told them its a political war ....

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why are u offended by "political war" politics and rest of the faith is inseperable in Islam
In siffin jamal nahrwam there were no ashgar or sakina were they only "political" wars? ....no by God even if Hussain b Ali [as] had been alone it was politically and religiously a just war

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thats wha they did one time when they were angry
ppl do such things when they are angry

but shia do matam again and again and again

when u r angry sit down
already sitting lie down
drink some water

ur bodies are Amanat from Allah
dont destroy em

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LOL ,... nice responsee ....
Well buddy since u agreeed they did it once and it was just ,.,.. then u cant call doin it again unjust ....
Now Shia belives are ... Hussain a.s kept ALLAH's name alive by sacrying everything in karbala and ALLAH is now keeping his name alive even after 1400 years ;) soo y dont u like it ? i mean we r doing matam, we r angry correction we r painful , y dont u take it easy and let us do what we are doin, have some water by the way the mourning is abt water too 3 days u see, no water ???

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I dunt feel like arguin over what u said for what u said in the last line, but when u say its just a plotical war it sounds like we r cryin over the khilfat, while u know its much more then poltics
wasalam
Aqeel

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^ matter of political leadership is a religious duty that muslims shud make sure that it goes to the most deserving one .....this is the biggest deception of so-called ulemas who endorse corrupt rulers and limit islam only to length of shalwar or beard

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People visit Yazeed's l.a grave in syria only to piss on it. there are salt fossils growing on his grave. For some sins Allah shows you the signs in this world.

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Karbala was to save Islam not a political war............