Re: A disappointing Dr Zakir Naik
Ok salam all
Thats to every one !!!!
i know am a rude person and i can be very dishearting at times most of the time to be accurate and thats because am not preeching Islam here .... when i start preeching i might change my attitude .... Am not very rude in person but i can be if its about Islam or cricket !!!! so sorry to all !
Now to ibn-siddque !!
Salam bro .... I have read ur thread .... u r trying to mix two Lecturess lemme start with a short story ...
i am not quoting typing in my own words so there might be a slight change >>>
Ok once a case was preseneted to umer the second caliph and it was two women claming that this kid is therezz, caliph didnt know what to do ... So harzat Ali a.s were called to figure out,,,, ( now remember Imam Ali was always available for Insaaf and Islam however this doesnt mean that he agreed with umer being caliph of muslims ) Imam Ali a.s asked women both and they calimed that its there son Imam Ali told Meesum-e-Tammar i think it was to cut the child in half and give a peace to each ,,, Meesum didnt ask y or y not he took his sword out and one of the mother goes ... Dont kill the guy give it to her !
Imam Ali a.s told she is the real mother coz she could accpet staying away from her son rather then seeing him dead ....
I hope U get the point !!!! Imam Ali did calim that Khilfaat is his but rather then hurting Islam he choose to stay away from khilfaat now if there is someone who can picture both stories as one
and tell who that actual mother who loved the kid was ready to leave the kid in someone else's hands just to see him alive fortunatley for her Imam Ali were there to judge here
and unfortunately there was no one to see the things the way Imam saw and those who did didnt do bayat to first caliph !!!!! Imam Ali Loved Islam but for the just to see it alive he left the islam in someone's hand ......
Now what u said Abt Mohammed s.a.w offcourse thats the best answer from the best Perosnality !!!! Imam Ali wasnt asked to follow first caliph until he was offered khilfaat after 2nd caliph passed away .... And when he was offered that u can be muslims 3rd caliph but u have to follow Quran, Prophet s.a.w and shekieens .... Imam Ali didnt accept the offer and said ... he can has no problem following Quran and Prophet s.a.w but when he follows sheekhieen then he wont be following Quran or Prophet s.a.w
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Ok a question here .... Y was Imam Ali a.s asked to follow Quran, Prophet s.a.w and shekiheen that simply means ... sunat of shekhieen was different from Quran and Prophet s.a.w
Anyway Going ahead ... Thats when Imam Ali denounced wrong one's as Prophet s.a.w did
about Hazrat Ali a.s being brave there is no doubt in sunni shia wahabi nassabi or any history that he was Asad-ullah now ur question makes sense y didnt he stand up for himself he was brave enough ??
belive me before u asked me that about 6 years ago these questions have visited my mind and i have asked that too people !!!
And answer makes sense that He didnt even kill the guy who spitted on his face so there wud be nothing in personal Intreset of Imam Ali a.s he just used his sword for Raza-e-Ilahai ... to please ALLAH ..
Now if he did fight people wud claim that he did for Khilfaat !!! ... i have people in the same thread who calim that "Imam Ali a.s fought mavia for khilfaat and mavia dereved it more" ..... now imagine if he did fight u wud be callin him hungry from khilfaaat .... and this is also answer to the person who calimed Imam Ali fought mavia for Khilfaat ... If it was for Khilfaat he wud have fought first caliph to start with y wait till mavia ???
Also u mentioned that in one Khutba he says that he doesnt seem to be intrested in khilaafat and in other one he claims khilfaaat ....
To start with we dont belive in Khilfaaat we belive in Imamat ... which basically sounds like are same thing with two names !!!
We belive Imamat ( or Khilfaat ) comes from ALLAH .... ALLAH decides who my Imam is not us or muslims after Prophet s.a.w left the world !!!
Imam Ali mentioned that 1st caliph doesnt dereve khilfaat as he knows who is supposed to be caliph, to my ignorant Understanding he did it soo no one could ask shia's 1400 years later that howcome Imam Ali didnt even calim khilfaat if u think he was Imam appointed by ALLAH.
Then he says I am rather u Mola ( ur helper ) not khalifaa thats quoted by u .,.. i have looked for surmon 91 and i couldnt find it in the breief reading i did !! however again just coz i didnt i read the whole thing doesnt mean its not thier so i wud agree with u here but can u plzz mention where it is int he surmon its a long surmon !!! I have no doubt in what he said but still its better to read ...
So again He said he is our Mola helper and ,,,,, people who accpeted him as fourth calipha were kharjees ,,, They pooved it later ,.... howeverr what am trying to say is to my undertsang he meant that dont consider him fourth Calpih consider him there first Imam !!
again i wud appritiate u mentioning the exact likes ,... coz after u post em i try to look in urdu nahjul blagha for better understanding and i dun have time to read 20 pages sermon i am student and my schedule is quiet packed so plz if u can mention the parhgrpah numerber or sumthing
Thanx
wasalam
Aqeel