Let me word it differently. Did holding mass in the White House have any bearing on national decisions?
@firenze: Finally someone who understands why we need to separate religion and state...
Yes it does.
America is secular in a lot of ways, american society as well is lot more tolerant than most muslim societies, but, it would be naive to think that christianity does not play a part in decision making. Many christians admit that the reason for backing Israel is religious.
Icesoul, you need to read a bit on christianity your info looks very limited. The very existence of Israel is projected in christendom as an evidence to truth of bible and hence christianity.
I am with you on this one. We should have a government that is essentially secular but at the same time respects the opinions of its majority.
We already have. Or did. Secular element was fine. Opinion of majority element brought the nation to the brink of collapse. There's a difference between the general public of the US and the Pakistani public.
It seems your knowledge of global financial institutions is very limited. The World is indebted to the Jews. Literally.
The US government has the ability and power to cease and control all the finances. Here you seem to be taking a leaf out of page of conspiracy theorists who would claim everything is controlled by jews.
We already have. Or did. Secular element was fine. Opinion of majority element brought the nation to the brink of collapse. There's a difference between the general public of the US and the Pakistani public.
The difference is called EDUCATION.
Lets be specific rather than just making a statement.
U know, I don’t think this discussion can EVER end. According to Wikipedia:
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Secularism is the concept that government or other entities should exist separately from religionreligious beliefs**
However, in a secular state, all of its citizens can freely practice their religion. Since the White House is the home of the American President, he is entailed to hold Mass there. It is his right to practice his religion.
America fits the description of a secular state. Pakistan does not.
And how is that separate from the concept of Government?
This will never end because like most posters on GS you wish to defend untenable positions that are illogical. That is why I ask you one line questions and you scramble for an answer.
khawateen and various fans of Saudi Arabia, this Saudi Arabia place with real shariat, etc you talk about sounds great. how do I get myself a visa? I feel like getting a couple of dozen nails hammered into me as well even though I’m not a Sri Lankan maid.
if only there was some way I could trade my inferior, lesser brown skin for the superior arab skin, I would become such a better person and Muslim.
S.Lanka maid who worked in Saudi has 24 nails in body
COLOMBO — A Sri Lankan housemaid with 24 nails embedded in her body after allegedly being tortured by her employer is to undergo surgery on Friday, her doctors said.
L. T. Ariyawathi, 49, said her employer in Saudi Arabia inflicted the injuries on her as a punishment.
She flew back to Sri Lanka last week and was admitted to Kamburupitiya hospital in the island’s south, hospital director Prabath Gajadeera told AFP on Thursday.
**“She was brought in complaining that her Saudi employer drove nails into her body, and X-rays showed that there were 24 nails and a needle,” Gajadeera said. “There is one nail on the forehead, just under the skin.”
The nails were up to two inches (five centimetres) long and were mostly beneath the skin of Ariyawathi’s hands, feet and legs.
Gajadeera said there appeared to be no damage to her internal organs.
The woman, who travelled to Saudi Arabia in March, was deeply traumatised and unable to give full details of her experience.**
Around 1.8 million Sri Lankans are employed abroad, of whom 70 percent are women.
Most work as housemaids in the Middle East, while smaller numbers work in Singapore and Hong Kong.
**A Riyadh judge sentenced an Indonesian maid, who accused her sponsor and his wife of torturing her, to 79 lashes yesterday…In March, Miyati was brought to a hospital in Riyadh by her sponsor in a critical condition suffering from gangrene to her fingers, toes and a part of her right foot. Doctors had to remove some of her fingers and toes…A judge later sentenced the sponsor?s wife, who **admitted to beating Miyati, to 35 lashes. The husband was found innocent due to lack of evidence against him.
Eventually, the case was overturned and the maid got about 1000 dollars in compensation. WOW! What ever will she do with that much money???
**Isma Mahmood, 16, was deported to Pakistan last month after having served six months in shackles and handcuffs in a prison in Saudi Arabia. Her crime—being raped by a Saudi man.
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And remember, the girl was MUSLIM
but America is a horrible country. they’re kaafir. so what do you expect? they will get what’s coming to them in hell. when we will be making out with 72 virgins, they will be getting toasted. inshallah.
the point was that Saudi Arabia is so fantastic with true Islam, real shariat, Makkah time, superior arab blood, etc mashallah. so I guess hammering nails into a woman who works for you is also part of shariat? or is part of Islam now? abuse of female help in the middle east is an issue that pops up in Saudi Arabia and the middle east quite frequently. or is it part of the superior arab culture?
LMAO! And yet no condemnation. A human being is stabbed in a hate crime and you say nothing. Now if it was a Muslim doing so you would be jumping for joy :D
We are trying to judge Pakistan with our western mind set . Either we like it or not , Islam still is major part of our lives . The governmental structure of any nation does originate from the cultural values of that nation . Same goes with Pakistan . We have experimented enough with western style of democracy and its not working . Now if we really need a change acceptable to everyone (other then politicians) then we might have to implement a governmental system with one CEO/Chief/President/Khalefah and one law for all made under Islamic principles . We should introduce some punchayat/shoorah system in it too . But again it should be coming from our cultural values to make it more acceptable .
