Please, tell me where does Shariah say that a woman deserves to get raped if she’s dressed a certain way. Like imranQ said, her sin is between her and Allah and NO ONE has the right to commit this crime against her.
I don’t know how you can call yourself Muslim and still think like this. My views on religion are very conservative and i even agreed with you on a few points; however I’m not sick enough that I think women deserve to get raped for dressing a certain way. The crime committed against her is degrading enough. Do we ask people who got robbed “well you shouldn’t’ve stuff like that” or do we blame a murder victim by passing it off as wrong time/place?
I have read a lot of disturbing and horrific remarks on GS in the past, but this one has got to take the cake. Give the guy a slap on the back or a big hug for a job well done for raping and often beating up/killing the woman while raping her. Do you think such actions will be rewarded in heaven considering the woman deserved it?
God forbid some form of sexual abuse happens to one of your children or a loved one. You can sit there and tell her that she deserved it.
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Then again, women have been “clearly ordered to cover” as Crescent has kindly pointed out. So I guess that is reinforcement that it is o.k. and perfectly acceptable for a man to rape a woman, regardless if she’s Muslim or not, regardless of her dress code and I’m sure it will only become a sin if she was wearing an abaya/hijab before she was raped … but oh, she left the house, so I guess again she must deserve it.
Before Crescent comes back with his colour coding effects, let me just add that I feel strongly on this issue cause I’ve seen sexual abuse victims (children and grown females) up close and seen how much being molested/raped affects them. No, they were not at a bar, dressed in shorts or a tank top or anything like that. There is no way (for me at least) that anybody can justify doing such a disgusting thing to women. There are people out there that make it sound like they committing a rape is a noble and worthy act, “well she deserved it” is the answer they come back with, or “look at how she was dressed”. Please. Wait till it happens to a loved one and then say those words.
Maybe you should take a deeper look into ISLAM rather than the “ISLAMIC COUNTRIES”. Woman are not degraded or looked down upon at all, and there are serveral Hadith and verses from the Quran supporting that. A Muslim woman should never be ashamed. There is a difference between the example of a Muslim that we have been given and ‘Muslims’ that portray the incorrect messege.
Cressi, awesome post. I read the whole thing and really liked it. Lots of stuff up there I didn’t know. Jazak Allah.
If you’ve never picked it up then how can you be so sure?
There are references (even in Cressi’s posts) that state that woman should not be ‘flirting’ with men and vice versa (obviously not in those exact words).
Originally Posted by Sara516
. Do we ask people who got robbed "well you shouldn't've stuff like that" or do we blame a murder victim by passing it off as wrong time/place?
No, however if the people are calling or 'attracting' such situations, then they should be blamed and have no right to complain.
are they attracting by having a lavish house? expensive furniture? it is true that it is common sense to not go to a deprived place with diamond rings in every finger but does that justify the crime? is it OK to wear the diamond rings in places where everyone else is wearing diamond rings but not in particular deprived areas?
what is islamic clothing? a cultural practice(piece of cloth) that became a status symbol?
the tent did not protect the women in afghanistan from being molested and dragged on the street.
women in america parade in minis but do not get raped every time they wear it because thank GOD they have LAWS and no islamic shariah that would justify it. but some still get raped…just like some with hijab still get raped…conclusion: rape is a crime that can happen regardless of dress.
There is a reason why your hand is chopped off if you steal. Simply put, it’s wrong to steal. We do not punish the victim, in this case, the individual who has been robbed for having those items which were stolen in the first place.
It’s a shame we can’t apply the same theory and chop off the male anatomy if he rapes a woman. Maybe if that was a law, then people wouldn’t feel the need to justify rape.
who gets raped more often? women observing the hijab or women w/o it? Do the research..i assure you you will find that women w/o hijab get raped more often. I never implied that women with hijab NEVER get raped. I simply said this is how they will protect themselves…this is what ALLAH (SWT) and the PROPHET (SAW) has told me.
Im telling you a fact…not just something that i randomly made up. I’m telling you what is written in the Quran and sunnah…the purpose of Hijab. If you chose to ignore it that’s up to you. Im not gonna argue with you about it because I know what Allah (SWT) has ordered me to do as a woman. You say what YOU want to say and what other feminists or non-believers say…and I’ll tell my sisters what ALLAH has told me.
oh well if its just about protection then i think im better off with pepper spray and a gun
its not written in the quran
facts?..i can say the same u just did…im telling u a fact too…what i see in daily life…i can “label” u with whatever my heart fancies too.
Women being treated like a sex object has NOTHING to do with the way she dresses. it is the MIND-SET of 'some' men that will continue to see her as an object whether she works shoulder to shoulder with him in the office, wears a mini, a sweatshirt or covers her hair.
if u want to protect women, teach your boys a thing or two about respect for them.
maybe you arent understanding…IT IS IN THE QURAN. If you dont understand arabic than dont assume it isnt in there. Perhaps you should take some Quranic arabic classes to understand the Quran better. If you understand the Quranic verse in arabic you’ll know that it IS in there. You also have to learn the linguistics of the words you read in Arabic as well. If you cant do that than you really dont know the full meaning beacause the true meaning gets lost in translation.
also…if u say that you are better off protecting yourself with pepper spray so be it !that is up 2 u. But you are defying what Allah (SWT) and our beloved Prophet has told our women to do to protect themselves.
Does anyone else find it strange that God requires all of mankind to learn a difficult, regional language in order to follow his rules? Did He error by not revealing it English, Spanish, French or some other universal language?
good point
