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he said IF you get raped in such conditions it is ur fault. Not that she deserves to forcefully.
Yes I know it doesn’t make sense to you. Refer to Post # 54. I think I know why 
Did you not counter argue it? It was an example given on a topic relative to Hijaab.
That post was not based on the argument on the rapist.
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Is that your answer when you don’t have an answer? It doesn’t concern me, I’m not the one breaking the laws I am advocating.
Using now Yoda speak when answers you have not? It’s not that I can’t handle it from A to Z. It’s just the way you are presenting it goes from the Greek alphabet to sumarian. If proponents of the theory of shariah claim it is God’s law and want it to rule the world, they should be able to explain it
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yeah and a few posts ago i said …no matter how a woman is dress its the RAPISTS fault
“…it can happen to a fully dressed woman, one in a hijab, one at home or one at a strip club, to a prostitute or to a stripper, to edhis daughters, to a covered lady in a village in mirpur, to a lady working in the white house. and THE ONLY PERSON AT FAULT IS THE RAPIST.”
and u said “u are right about something”
Originally Posted by Crescent_
"It can happen to anyone. And the person at fault is the rapist.
You got something right"
and now u are saying…it IS her fault?
ofcourse **u know. **all your replies REEK of “**i know” **
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Crescent, does the exchange below you had with a female on another forum fall within the bounds of shariah? I doubt she was wearing her burqa either. How do you say hypocritical sinner in arabic anyway?
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What you say here really scares me. I am all for dressing modestly, but to say that a man bears no responsibility for one of the worst and most violent crimes is really shocking. It is also insulting to males. They have brains and they have the ability to control themselves. They have also been CLEARLY ordered in the Quran to keep their gazes down.
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Women have been CLEARLY ordered to keep themselves covered.
There is explanation, If i did provide you the science of Sunnah and Hadith, you would still not believe, so why should i waste the effort?
In the end its all faith.
I’ll tell you that, when you tell me how its outside the bounds (Don’t bother posting if you’re not going to give reference). And here is how Ur Angel best puts it:
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Rape is a crime of power not of lust.
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Sure, but as we can clearly see, the method and degree of covering is under debate. A woman who is covered by the standards of some, but not by your standards, and is raped, would bear the blame for the rape?
I just hope you never have to deal with being or knowing a victim of rape. You clearly have very little understanding of what you’re talking about.
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You’ve got me there Mr. Islamic scholar. I’ve never picked up your holy book, but I’m 100% certain that it makes no reference to flirting with women (love the wink btw) in an online forum being haram, or to making a pretty sick (and quite bad) joke about her having sex with a computer and it being unable to maintain an erection. It may be a complete rule book for life, but I doubt allah covered this subject w/your prophet.
So no worries bhaijaan, please carry on with your preaching of how women must cover their entire bodies in fabric to prevent men from having lustful thoughts.
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a woman DOES NOT deserve rape…PERIOD! however is a woman’s responsiblity to guard her modesty and wear the appropriate Islamic clothing according to Shariah so that she can protect herself from such cruel and gruesome acts.
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How can you possibly say that when you tell someone else?
There is no ‘science’ to what you posted, that is why you avoid the answers. Pretty simple question really. If you won’t answer me because “I won’t believe it”, how about answering it for your sisters that you are “telling what to do”?
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a wonderful thread turned into something absolutely ridiculous. I suggest that everyone's post gets deleted and only the informational part remains. This should be locked in my opinion.
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WHERE IS THE DEBATE ?
I SEE ALOT OF UNDERSTANDING, NO DEBATE.
I CANNOT KEEP ANALYSING THESE READINGS FOR YOU, IF YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND ONCE, THEN I WON’T POST AGAIN. READ.
The 7 Quranic verses which have been portrayed give rise to 3 differing grades of hijaab.** The highest of these 3 grades of hijaab is that a woman should remain within her home as far as it is possible. **
The second grade of Hijaab is that if the need should arise that a woman must go out then this should be carried out in such adornment which conceals her entirely. Whilst observing this grade of Hijaab, the application of scent, the wearing of tinkling jewellery, to exercise caution when walking so as not to enter the heart of a mixed crowd etc, are also points to be borne in mind.
The third and lowest grade of Hijaab is in accordance to the Aayah of Surah Noor, “Except that which is evident.” This verse is one of differing interpretations. Some scholars believe that ‘evident’ connotates the actual burqa and niqaab whilst other scholars have interpretated that ‘except that which is evident’ refers to the face and hands.
From amongst the 4 Imams, Imam Malik, Shafi and Ahmed (R.A) have unanimously agreed upon the first of the two interpretations. According to the schools of thought related to these three Imams, **no room has been given to the unveiling of the face and hands regardless of the fear of unlawful acts or not. **
**Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A) has differed in his opinions favouring the latter of the two interpretations, however, he has only accepted the unveiling of the face and hands if there is no fear of unlawful acts arising in the process of this third grade of Hijaab. **
However, such unveiling within this day and age would obviously give rise to unlawful ways and so the necessity of entire concealment becomes much reinforced (Sound familiar? Yes please refer to When women Emerge thread.), consequently the great scholars after Imam-e-Aazam also agreed with the thoughts of Imam Malik, Shafi and Ahmed (R.A)
In view of this the third grade of Hijaab has become invalidated and impermissible. Conclusively, Muslim women should observe either of the two valid and permitted grades of hijaab.
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OK OK :D! **YOU **GOT **ME! **
You got all that from my post? What I meant to say there was that she’ll be “widowed” if the hard drive crashes cuz all the information is on there.
I don’t even know why I have to explain myself for such ridiculous comments 
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There is no 'science' to what you posted, that is why you avoid the answers. Pretty simple question really. If you won't answer me because "I won't believe it", how about answering it for your sisters that you are "telling what to do"?
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Last time... My Sisters believe in the hadith :)
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I seriously hope you’re joking.
Looks and stares and even catcalls, are one thing. Rape and assault is another. Rape is a violent crime; it’s akin to getting stabbed or shot, and in some cases, it’s even worse than being murdered. I’m sorry you sound like a sorry excuse for a woman. I would expect this sort of comment from some men here, but it’s sad that even women, so-called MUSLIM women think like this too. It’s girls like you, with your sort of thinking that are giving Muslims a bad reputation. Go volunteer at an abused womens shelter, interview people who have worked with rape victims, talk to rape victims themselves and tell me did they deserve what they got? Nobody deserves this to happen to them and you and the people who agree iwth you are sick for stating that they do.
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:)
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What some people fail to understand here is that rape is a crime of violence and power, NOT lust. This isn't about hijab or Islam even, but rather, justice for victims. Rape is the only crime where a victim has to prove they were raped. It's a vicious act of violence, it's worse than getting robbed, because they're taking something deep within you that can never be replaced; in fact in some cases it's worse than getting killed because of the emotional scars that this act leaves behind. So to say that a woman who gets raped ought to be blamed for it is very irresponsible and very ** wrong. **
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I’m sure thats not what she meant, it can clearly be seen as to what shez trying to imply. To focus your argument on one point of hers, and disregard the rest of it doesn’t really make it a claim against her.
She may have stated rape, which is vague - out of extremness? But like I mentioned to Schweet dreamz, you can read what I told her Try to analyze the Matchbox model.
You went off to write an essay on rape, even though from her post you can tell her emphasize was on something else, the submission to Allah swt. But instead of arguing about the topic at hand, you have to **desperately point out **certain examples and just use them. Instead of making the thread loose its purpose, there are two options:
(1) open a thread.
(2) PM her.
Since you disregarded it, here is why she wrote the following. And here are somethings which put her ahead of the muslimah race (Yes, you can compliment, and judge a person by their actions in deen, and thats all you can distinguish between them.)
Allah has provided mankind with certain directions and instructions, if a women thinks she’s more educated and can do better by reforming the rules and regulations, then she can suffer the consequence as well.
*When a theory or a statement is given it has a reason. Until today people prove their illetracy by readin the top line & not thinkin twice about the second line or the reason behind. So please next time wen making a comment ensure u have the full information and are aware of the background.
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Im a muslim girl alhamdulilah and i am proud of my religion and the status it has given me. No religion gives a status more higher then what Islam entittles to it’s women. The best benefector of mankind Prophet Muhammed (s) died in the lap of his wife. This emphasises the status he gave to his wife. Allah has layed heaven under the feet of a mother. Which other GOD of ne other religion shows so much love and respect towards a womens status.
and unlike some people, she already put a disclaimer. wow.
Ne thing gud obtained from here is blessed by Alah, and anything bad is from shaitan.
If i have offended any one in any way i appologise.
Sara, you very well know why she deserved my respect. Read above.
So you believe "I advocate rape for scantily dressed women? ". And if you believe that, you just said “MashAllah” to me. Since you assumed such about me, that means you ALSO advocate rape for scantily dressed women, because you just MashAllah-ed me.
Do you see the point here?
I was saying something else, you made it into a straw man statement. So I did the same on you. And I’m sure you did not mean it when you said MashAllah to me. It was more sarcastic, and I know that. But I’m not going to point that out just to waste bandwith and loose focus on the thread. 
Agreeable, and accepted.
But refer to my Matchbox example and think logically, what would happen.
Allah have mercy on us all.
Salam.
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Crescent:
On the first post, I found her comment to be very very very disturbing and I had to comment on it. Again, she had no right to say something so irresponsible and immature and I am not sorry for what I said in my first response.
I have no issue with her later paragraphs and I even agreed with them; Islam does hold women in higher standard. However, advocating that women get raped because of the way they dress is no way to implement the justice and prestige promised to us by our religion.
My second post, yes i was being sarcastic, and I should have edited it before you read it which i already did anyway :)
Third post, I had to add more because I see so many idiotic comments on this board about rape and justice and victims rights (or lack thereof).