A Comprehensive Look into The Hijaab & Surah An-Nur (in regards to hijab) (merged)

[pak4ever]

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@shweetdreamz

…to you…
so go there and read life 1 posts…u wont understand what i have to say in this forum.

Yeah thats because you are fully incoherent here…

[shweetdreamz]

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@pak4ever

Yeah thats because you are fully incoherent here…

thank god for that now i wouldnt want YOU to start thinking outside the box and questioning your views too…good for u that i am fully incoherent to u

[parissenoor]

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crescent i'm happy to have read that in your thread:Oh Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw over them their jilbaabs (cloaks). That in the least so that they be recognised and not be molested." (Surah Ahzaab)

i know i'm not concerned by hijaab now, thank you so much...

[Seminole]

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@Ur Angel

1. Its not out dated. The points he is givin is refrenced. The quran is centuries old but has mentioned many scientfic facts, which sceintists are now discovering. Baring this in mind his source is perfectly more than up 2 date.

I did not see it stated any wher ‘men rule and women are meek’ This is called protection and respect for its women. A term which ur not aware of yet.

2. Shariah is divine law it has an answer for evrything. And talkin on internet is perfectly acceptable as long as you do not cross the boundry.

1. Of course it is outdated as evidenced by men and women intermingling right here on gupshup. We are not talking about the Quran but post list which is nothing but patriarchal, cutural rules that someone has decided is divine law. It is not. If its intent is to protect women, the rules should be placed on men, not stifle the freedom of women because men can be pigs.

2. The theory (since it is not practiced anywhere in the world) of shariah is not divine law, much of it comes from made made documents (hadith) which is not divine. So where does shariah have the answer that negates “Women should not speak with men, except with a mahram”?

[Crescent]

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@Ur Angel

No need for the sympathy cz its just NOT NEEDED. Theirs is nothing to be ashamed off. It is a womens fault if a man is lustin after her. **If ur gonna get out the house looking like a christmas tree, and with the walk similiar to the one at a strip show and u luk as if uv just decended from the 7th heaven astaghfirullah then yes it is ur fault. If a women gets raped by a man in this circumstance then i do not blame the man i’ll blame the women. **

Allah has provided mankind with certain directions and instructions, if a women thinks she’s more educated and can do better by reforming the rules and regulations, then she can suffer the consequence as well.

When a theory or a statement is given it has a reason. Until today people prove their illetracy by readin the top line & not thinkin twice about the second line or the reason behind. So please next time wen making a comment ensure u have the full information and are aware of the background.

‘Honorable crap’ or save u the time of embarassment? Im a muslim girl alhamdulilah and i am proud of my religion and the status it has given me. No religion gives a status more higher then what Islam entittles to it’s women. The best benefector of mankind Prophet Muhammed (s) died in the lap of his wife. This emphasises the status he gave to his wife. Allah has layed heaven under the feet of a mother. Which other GOD of ne other religion shows so much love and respect towards a womens status.

Read the History u’ll be surprised of what u’ll encounter.

‘Plain and simple’ yes with other religions but not with Islam.

Ne thing gud obtained from here is blessed by Alah, and anything bad is from shaitan.
If i have offended any one in any way i appologise.

Great post as usual. Some girls need to learn alot from you. MashAllah.

@shweetdreamz

i also saw it implied in what you said…

** that a woman deserves to get raped for dressing like a christmas tree???** please realize that rape is a crime and not a punishment for dressing a certain way. look up “rape” it means “against a person’s consent” think about it. IT IS RAPE IF IT IS AGAINST HER CONSENT. she did NOT ask for it.

yeah a man CAN go up to a woman walking like a stripper and ask her how much she’ll charge or whatever…u can say he mistook her intentions…STILL IT DOESNT MEAN HE HAS THE RIGHT TO RAPE HER. thats sick.

Oh god! I dunno how you got through kindergarten. Thats the stage where you learn to **READ. **( I hope you know what read means..)
why don’t you re-read her post?
She said **IF **you get raped in such conditions it is ur fault. Not that she deserves to forcefully.

I wonder if you’re in school or not. Feel sorry for your teachers
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CONCLUSION: **Do some research on your own religion before making posts

@parissenoor

justifying an extremist point of view on islam by pointing anther extremist point of view on hinduism is leading nowhere…

Noor, once again if you are a muslim, Shia, Qadiyani, whatever, you still need* to **provide **References to where its extreme.

Define EXTREME. Back it up with analysis of the Quran making Hijaab Extreme.

***CONCLUSION: **Do some research on your own religion before making posts .

@Seminole

1. If you don’t expect respect for your views then I am happy you are happy

2. You obviously don’t have to explain anything to me. Just pointing out a contradition you may want to explain to yourself.

2. If its contradicting to you, its ok I can understand why , but don’t worry about me, its perfectly clear to me, w/o contradictions.

[pak4ever]

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@shweetdreamz

thank god for that now i wouldnt want YOU to start thinking outside the box and questioning your views too…good for u that i am fully incoherent to u

And so will you do all of us a favor and stick to the Lifestyles forum and in your quest to help fashion-challenged desi women rather then applying the same chic fashion sense to the more compelling and less-trivial matters thereby destroying any budding and stimulating discourse taking shape here…leave it to those least concerned with the horizontal or vertical stripes…

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

Oh god! I dunno how you got through kindergarten. Thats the stage where you learn to **READ. **( I hope you know what read means..)
why don’t you re-read her post?
She said IF you get raped in such conditions it is ur fault. Not that she deserves to forcefully. .

right…and what is it that i said that didnt sync with what u just said? if its HER fault that means the MAN isnt at fault…she ASKED FOR IT.

pak patriot: im not in the mood to leave religion forum for u men to decide how women should dress…not yet but if u dont like what i write…ignore me ok?

[Crescent]

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@parissenoor

crescent i’m happy to have read that in your thread:Oh Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw over them their jilbaabs (cloaks). That in the least so that they be recognised and not be molested." (Surah Ahzaab)

i know i’m not concerned by hijaab now, thank you so much…

Whatever this means.
Like I said, no one can force you to follow the Commands of Allah swt, thats up to you.

So whatever floats your boat :k:

@Seminole

1. Of course it is outdated as evidenced by men and women intermingling right here on gupshup. We are not talking about the Quran but post list which is nothing but patriarchal, cutural rules that someone has decided is divine law. It is not. If its intent is to protect women, the rules should be placed on men, not stifle the freedom of women because men can be pigs.

2. The theory (since it is not practiced anywhere in the world) of shariah is not divine law, much of it comes from made made documents (hadith) which is not divine. So where does shariah have the answer that negates “Women should not speak with men, except with a mahram”?

1. Why does it concern you?

2. You’re trying ever so hard to bring up a debate. Bichara, keep trying, and trying and trying. Every post, that struggle I see.

Its ok, There is no point in discussing and explaining shariah to those who can’t handle it from A to Z. And him who does not believe in hadiths.

Why so curious and why even ask if you have no belief in hadiths ?

[parissenoor]

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pak4ever, yes leave hijaab to men …lol, no way you’re not going to stich my hijaab!!! you’re na mehram so will not get that close to me

[shweetdreamz]

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crescent u are seriously unable to hold up a discussion.
all u say in response to a person's question is "why should i tell u?" "why does it concern u?"
you YOUSELF do not bother to read someone's post and answer it and then u accuse other's of being not "intelligent" enough.

[parissenoor]

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@Crescent_

Whatever this means.
Like I said, no one can force you to follow the Commands of Allah swt, thats up to you.

So whatever floats your boat :k:

it means i’m not the daughter sister or wife of a muslim:D i’m just muslim myself, so this does not apply to me:D …anyway, i’ll wear hijaab though

[Crescent]

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@pak4ever

And so will you do all of us a favor and stick to the Lifestyles forum and in your quest to help fashion-challenged desi women rather then applying the same chic fashion sense to the more compelling and less-trivial matters thereby destroying any budding and stimulating discourse taking shape here…leave it to those least concerned with the horizontal or vertical stripes…

This guy has crazy posts

@shweetdreamz

right…and what is it that i said that didnt sync with what u just said? if its HER fault that means the MAN isnt at fault…she ASKED FOR IT.

pak patriot: im not in the mood to leave religion forum for u men to decide how women should dress…not yet but if u dont like what i write…ignore me ok?

Lets anaylize, try to learn something.

that a woman deserves to get raped for dressing like a christmas tree???

no she does not deserve to get raped. She is although **asking **for it. If a molester was passing by. His prime target, would be this women.

please realize that rape is a crime and not a punishment for dressing a certain way.

Tell this to those women who have suffered it. See if they ever walk around in threads again

look up “rape” it means “against a person’s consent” think about it. IT IS RAPE IF IT IS AGAINST HER CONSENT. she did NOT ask for it.

Technically if you dress that way, and a molester sees you, its not against ur consent, because its more like you’er inviting him to yourself.

eg. You live in an area infested by cockroaches. IF you leave holes empty on ur house walls, the cockroaches will come in. You make a few holes here and there, just because you’re influenced to do so, when its not necessary. And you do it for your pleasure. Its an innocent act. but the Cockroaches DO get inside, without your consent.
However, by making the holes in the first place, you already invited them in! so how is it against your CONSENT?

[Crescent]

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@shweetdreamz

crescent u are seriously unable to hold up a discussion.
all u say in response to a person’s question is “why should i tell u?” “why does it concern u?”
you YOUSELF do not bother to read someone’s post and answer it and then u accuse other’s of being not “intelligent” enough.

Ok smartbrains tell me where I said that to **You. **For the past hour of my life, I’ve been trying to spoonfeed you, and make you understand something which you’re getting mixed up. (Kinda reminds me of PCG.)

Those posts are for seminole. Not you. Again, read the names I have “quoted”.

[Crescent]

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@parissenoor

it means i’m not the daughter sister or wife of a muslim:D i’m just muslim myself, so this does not apply to me:D …anyway, i’ll wear hijaab though

Like I said. If thats how you want to interpret it sure.

[shweetdreamz]

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crescent: hijab guarantees no rape will occur?

i think YOU did not read my post.
again rape is a crime...it can happen to a fully dressed woman, one in a hijab, one at home or one at a strip club, to a prostitute or to a stripper, to edhis daughters, to a covered lady in a village in mirpur, to a lady working in the white house. and THE ONLY PERSON AT FAULT IS THE RAPIST.

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

Ok smartbrains tell me where I said that to **You. **For the past hour of my life, I’ve been trying to spoonfeed you, and make you understand something which you’re getting mixed up. (Kinda reminds me of PCG.)

Those posts are for seminole. Not you. Again, read the names I have “quoted”.

one: i was referring to seminole’s posts.
two: im not mixed up about anything…u said a woman in a miniskirt is at fault for getting raped…i said she is not…clearly opposing points of view.

[Crescent]

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@shweetdreamz

crescent: hijab guarantees no rape will occur?

i think YOU did not read my post.
again rape is a crime…it can happen to a fully dressed woman, one in a hijab, one at home or one at a strip club, to a prostitute or to a stripper, to edhis daughters, to a covered lady in a village in mirpur, to a lady working in the white house. and THE ONLY PERSON AT FAULT IS THE RAPIST.

It can happen to anyone. And the person at fault is the rapist.

You got something right.

Now.

Look at it like this, the way your God tells you (if you believe in him.) I’m sure every religion has its moral values, so im sure your religion has it too.

Its like this.

You have a match in one hand, and a matchbox in the other.
If you light the match using the matchbox, the box will explode with fire.

A) Women w/ Hijaab: Does not light that match.

**B) Women in threads: **Does light it, and blows the matchbox.

The chances of **A **happening are slim, and happen in some certain circumstance, far less than:

The chances of **B **happening are more because the initiative to light the matchstick is in effect.

[Crescent]

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@shweetdreamz

one: i was referring to seminole’s posts.
two: im not mixed up about anything…u said a woman in a miniskirt is at fault for getting raped…i said she is not…clearly opposing points of view.

**1. **Yes so I am answering you and others. I just cannot answer seminole, because he doesn’t want to believe in it, so why argue?

**2. **Can you not debate about women rape in this thread? start another one. The focus of this thread is hijaab.

And read my matchbox post for what I really mean by “she is at fault.”

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

It can happen to anyone. And the person at fault is the rapist.

You got something **right. **

so u argued with me for no reason?./

@Crescent_

A) Women w/ Hijaab: Does not light that match.

**B) Women in threads: **Does light it, and blows the matchbox.

The chances of **A **happening are slim, and happen in some certain circumstance, far less than:

The chances of **B **happening are more because the initiative to light the matchstick is in effect.

sorry … cockroaches and matchboxes dont work for me. your analogy makes no sense.

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

**2. **Can you not debate about women rape in this thread? start another one. The focus of this thread is hijaab.

i was not the first one to say a woman in threads is at fault for getting raped.