A complicated matter

I have this friend, he is teaching in a renowned institute in Islamabad. Has been there for the past five years. Is very popular amongst his students. He gave me a call last night and told me some things which really disturbed me and I really cannot decide how to help him out or advise him.

So this friend, let’s call him A, has been working closely with his students on a number of field projects and they are all quite informal with one another. They meet up outside college, at random events beyond academic purposes as well. The friend is really young, single, he is around 32, quite charismatic and a gem of a person. He gets along well with almost anyone, and I have seen him work his magic on the most shy of people. He has the ability to draw people out of themselves, make them really comfortable in their skin, and generally bring a smile to their face regardless of how their day has gone. He himself has been burned in love when he was doing his graduate programme and ever since has remained away from emotional snares of the romantic inclination.

Given all of that, when he called yesterday, he was quite distraught about the situation he now found himself in. Apparently, four months ago, a group of students and he went up to the Swat region to work with IDPs and during that time, he got particularly close to a student (let’s call her H). Moreso than he was to the rest. After all working in such rugged territory at close quarters does allow for more bonding than within the confines of a classroom. Nothing really serious though.

The problem started after they returned to Islamabad. Since he is the advisor for a number of students wrt FYP (final year projects), his mobile number is pretty much public property and his doors are always open for any sort of career counselling or other related matters. H is, quite simply, his best and most promising student. She got married in November 2010, and in the hassles of post marriage missed out on a lot of classes. Therefore he didnt think much of it when she began coming to visit him after class more and more with little questions and queries.

Over the course of the last few months, it had become norm for them to sit around for an hour or so after classes and discuss the day. He said that it was so normal that he would often have tea piping hot and waiting because he could anticipate her visits with such accuracy by then.

Then one month ago, they bumped into each other at a wedding at the golf club in Rawalpindi. They had the opportunity to chat for a while before they respectively were caught up in their own social circle. However, he did note, that she was not as lively as she generally was in class and otherwise. He just pegged that to be due to a more formal setting, rather than the casual ambience he afforded his students in general.

H was absent for a week after that incident. Then he took leave to visit his family in Lahore. The second day of his vacation, he got an sms from H asking where he was because apparently she had come to college and sought him out after classes. He smsed back that he was on vacation and that he would be back on Monday. She further asked if he was in the city and that she needed to speak with him if so. He said he wasn’t but that he would see her soon as he returns. She insisted that he sms her soon as he was back in Islamabad because the matter was of some urgency.

Monday morning: H and A meet up in his office first thing. A was not prepared for what ensued. Soon as H entered his office, she quite literally burst into tears. She had been facing a lot of problems in her marriage recently, which was surprising for him to hear because the entire college knew of her love affair with this boy who was now her husband, and she had been quite happy when the marriage went through. His family had been very opposed to the match but he had never paid them any heed. They lived apart from family so it had not initially interfered with their life.

Her husband had however begun changing somewhat over the past few months, especially after the trip to Swat. He would question her more about her day in a very suspecting manner. She just pegged it to him being possessive in the beginning. She was later to discover that it stemmed from a negative place, rather than being loving and possessive in that regard. Before going to the wedding, he had out and out accused her of having an affair with one of her colleagues when she was in Swat. Apparently his mother who had spent the time with him during then had spoken to him about girls who find their own rishtas and this and that. Then at the wedding when he had seen her talking to A, he accused her of being interested in him and had struck her when she retorted that “FINE you want to believe that then BELIEVE IT! Im not even going to bother changing your mind!”

Now she was in a dilemma where she was being forced to leave college and discontinue her degree because he was just so insecure about everything. And it was worsening daily. She didnt want to leave but she didnt know what to do.

A has ever since resigned from his position as her advisor for her benefit and has been keeping a check on her otherwise. He has noticed a dimming of her personality and once or twice even discerned possible bruising on her face but he could not be sure. The situation stands thus that now A is discreetly seeking her out to see how she is every now and then. H has called him a couple of times at random times during the night. She cannot turn to her family or her husband’s because they were against the match and so there is no support there. The advisor she does have now is just a female figurehead, only so A is not so obviously there, who doesnt really know enough about H’s project to help her out. A is simply the best there is in that regard. But in order for H to continue studying, which is still questionable and in doubt, A needed to step back and it was a decision he took himself since he saw it was possibly causing her additional issues. So their talks do continue, only now over the phone and are becoming more personal.

A is generally level headed. H is 25 and he says she is rational too. He doesnt seem to recognise that he is falling for her, or skirting the line. The way he talks about her though, I can see this. H missed four days of college recently. She called him yesterday and admitted that it was because her husband hit her again. They had been out somewhere and I dont know, some incident where he blew things out of proportion. She loves the guy, but I think her love for him is being smothered possibly? I dont know.

What I am more concerned about is A. He thinks she needs saving but from where I stand, he needs to be saved from this! I see that he is wanting to jump in and save her from this. He doesnt know what to do. H has begun treating him as the person she runs to when sh** hits the ceiling. I myself don’t know what to answer when he asked me “Please batao, what should I do? I just want to break that guy’s neck for hitting her. And I feel that’ll make things worse. But there’s noone to save her from this. She won’t take any steps for it.”

What should be done? A now wants me to befriend her and possibly talk to her about things. What to do?

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I honestly feel sorry for the girl…and I feel like A is right…she needs to be rescued…but she may not want to be …

I think you befriending her and becoming her shoulder to cry on would have been a good idea had you been there for her from the get go…if you try to be her bosom buddy now it’s just gonna be really difficult…cuz ur going to have to build that foundation of trust before she may be comfy enough to speak with you about her problems…especially since you’re one of those people who knows about her “public love affair with her hubby”, n’est-ce pas? :confused: …if u are that “building of trust is going to take even longer” and she needs help NOW!!!

at this stage it seems like “A” is her only hope for someone to lean on, which is OK for her, but is not a good situation for him since he has feelings for her. Is there a way maybe he can control his feels for her and try to be a friend…? him interjecting his feelings into an already complicated situation is only going to make matters worse…but if there is a way he can separate his feelings for her from himself and be there for her to lean on that would be ideal…or is that easier said than done :hinna:

A and H should have been married in the first place…yeh villain hubby kahan se aagaya beech mein? :mad:

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OMG dont diss A! poor thing doesnt recognise that he himself HAS THOSE FEELINGS! Hes such a duffer. After all these years, he choses THIS IMPOSSIBLE girl to fall for!

Ok dude we need serious help! I just got an sms from him asking if I thought about the friendship thing and if he could initiate a conference call between me him and her tonight! I told him I was busy tonight (:P boxoffice bandits here I come!)

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Ryte he doesnt know he has feelings for her that’s why he resigned from his position as her advisor :chai: UHUH…sure!!! rolls eyes

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U idiot he did not resign from that position because of that! read the entry carefully he resigned because her husband already accused her of being involved in some weird hanky panky with him simply because she talked to him at the wedding and he was around in SWAT when they were there for the IDP work. And hello! she got beaten up for it!

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ok does her husband think het affair us with the prof? If so...what if he were to speak to the husband...maybe with H present...to clarify the situation? Would that help? Cuz these frequent phonecalls...at odd hours...and their meetings can land both of them in MAJOR trouble...especially if people see..and u know fast gossip travels and the jucier it get along the way. It could jeopardize his job even. Im durprised that the both of them...especially him...are not more mindful about the consrquences of their frequent clandestine contacts. Does she even want to remain matried? If so..then this isnt the best way to go about things.

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I tjink its a bit "much" n sorya dramatic for him yo resign from his job. Maybe the husband needs to hear things the prof himself. I think that yhis step should have been taken.

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OHHHH .... I'm sorry i misunderstood "A" in that regard...

well I still stand by my comments I feel like he's her only source of strength and emotional support .... which is OK for her, but is not a good situation for him since he has feelings for her.

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Hope you understood the above posts. Im typing from my phone...hence the typos.

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@redvelvet First off: A is a junior lecturer, not a professor of sorts. And he did not resign from his job, but rather switched her over to another advisor for her sake. They are not meeting beyond college. That was just that one time coincidentially at a wedding they were both at. As far as the calls go, I dont think that she can confide in anyone else as such since her love affair with her husband was very public and longterm and he was a great person up until recently. They really fought to get married, she herself feels that pressure and inasmuch wants to remain married given all they went through to get here. A was confided in by coincidence in that fit of emotion she had when she came to college on Monday the first day that he was back and declared that she might have to discontinue her studies. Keep in mind, that she was his brightest and most promising student. Obviously he was interested in her being all that she could be and realising her potential. Since then, since A is the ONLY one who knows whats been going on, she has been relying on him more and more for emotional support.

That said, the situation cannot remain stagnant. A wants to help her and advise her but doesnt really know what to say. And personally I think he is too involved emotionally to give her good advice this way or that. What to do?

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Again.....what if A were to talk with her husband..in her presence? All 3 of them?

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RV im not sure if thats a good idea...

(A) AWKWARD!!!

(B) if I were the husband and I was suspicious of said junior prof and my wifey having a thing going on behind my back....this kind of "conference" will only serve to cement my suspicions... but maybe thats just me?

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I think it can go either way, llxxll. Fepends upon the approach. It takes courage to do that. I think that in most cases if one has wrong intentions..they would avoid such a discussion. She doesnt wanna get family involved..her husband is unwilling to believe HER....maybe it might be diffrent if he heard it from A. I dunno.i think we often avoiddirect discussions...they need not be confrontational.

At tge same time...i also think how xan you see your spose in the same way after they hit you.

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Unless you know H personally and are her friend, you probably should not get involved. If A wants to continue helping , that is his choice. I see you getting dragged into this - get out before it is too late. A is a big boy, he needs to handle this himself.

Unless he plans to marry H, he needs to back out of this situation with H. H is a big girl and needs to handle her problems. She needs to stop sending him SMS at odd hours and he needs to make it clear that it is not his place to solve her marital problems.

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Nice story btw…i can totally see tv serial…

on topic… tell Mr.A to mind his own business… he is looking for trouble basically :chai:
the girl is adult and ‘rational’ enough to deal with her own situations… Teachers are not supposed to be involved with personal issues and marriage n stuff…

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partially agree with the above post, atleast the first half of it.

you may talk to and befriend H, in order to safe counsel her. This is not a suitable time for A's entry into all of this mess because she had already been accused of it by her husband. The main problem is her husband, that needs to be solved.

First of all, tell H to regain trust and support of her parents. A girl's family is her backbone and H is already more prone to all this inhuman attitude of her husband having no backbone of hers. I dont see it to be an impossible thing. Parents do forgive afterall and they can handle the matter in a better manner than any ABC.

Second, tell H straight forwardly to choose either to cry all her life being hit from the husband waste away or look for some solution that definitely lies in separation. its still not that late. I wish girls were wiser not to plunge blindly into love marriages especially when the parents on both the sides are opposing it because it naturally ends in miserable and unfortunate ending in 90% of the cases.

Once H is free from such an abusive husband, she can continue her studies, make her career and be strong. All the rest comes after that.

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@mirage I like your opinions, but they all involve me getting involved right?
@NomiCA I agree about A getting too involved. I wish I could tell him that but surely you know how it gets with guys who feel strongly about some girl. A considers her a prodigy, has worked closely with her and I already stated that she was a great student of his. Beyond that yeah I do see that he has stronger feelings for her but I dont think he realises that. He's a really good guy, I really worry for when he realises this on his own. THAT will be a major issue
@Southie she really should stop SMSing RIGHT?????? I feel so protective towards A in all of this. ARGH
@llxxll I agree with u on the three party conference that @redvelvet suggested. if i were the husband id be more suspicious. I think suspicion is such a relationship killer. He doesnt strike her regularly I think. I think it's more about an act of passion. H is from a feudal political setup I think she has seen this in her family (the abuse) perhaps otherwise I totally agree with everyone that abuse is where I would personally draw the line! I cudnt understand why she isnt!

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where there's smoke, there's fire?

is such a close relationship between a teacher and a student considered totally normal?

kamal hei.

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@Wane hi! :) Yeah had it been anyone else I would have suspected too. But A is an absolute charmer even when he doesnt try. His reasons for that was that she had missed out a lot of classes and would come by with questions and stuff like I said

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I think neither A or H conducted themselves in accordance with their relationship; the relationship being of a teacher and a student.
It seems like A is suffering from the 'White Knight' syndrome.
Why must he make assumptions from how H behaves around others as compared to when in class or otherwise?

From what you've written, I don't quite believe things are as black and white.
I find their level of intimacy unusual considering they are in Pakistan and H is married.
Perhaps you need to look at things from a purely third-party POV, not as A's friend.

If I was in your place Dem, I would advise A to step back and try not to get involved in anyone else's marital problems.
The problems H is facing are in part fuelled by her husband's distrust in her relationship with A.
That means A really isn't in a position to help her out or offer her advice.

Once A is out of the picture, H can try and make up her mind about sticking with her husband or walking away from the relationship.
For that to happen, A needs to be out of the equation. Completely.
Hence, I would advise against you getting involved.