9 Indian Soldiers killed,16 hurt around Srinagar

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Re: 9 Indian Soldiers killed,16 hurt around Srinagar

India will save Kashmir from these cowardly acts of terrorists very soon.

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How do you know I haven't been to Kashmir? India is an illegal occupier of the state, and this is visible by the fact that every year on the Indian independence day, the whole of Kashmir valley shuts down (economically). Please explain to me why!

By the way, why did you avoid the question I asked in my previous post?

Please provide us with authentic neutral sources proving that Pakistan is the source of Kashmir dispute.

Apparently, there are no significant tensions in Pakistani occupied Kashmir. I wonder why...

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What makes you say India is an illegal occupier of Kashmir ..... i would take independent sources ..... infact let me go a step further & say show me a " resolution " by OIC which says India has illegally occupied Kashmir.

As for the ground situation, the Valley forms a part of the state of J&K .... that is where the trouble, you dont find shut downs in Jammu region or Ladakh region. The trouble is there has been a lot of bloodshead in the valley, from groups which have their bases in POK. So as long as these groups are able to operate without immunity from POK, this situation will continue. Now don't give me the argument that these groups dont exist in Pak. The leaders of these groups are based in POK , if you want i will line up proof from Pakistani sources.

Now coming to POK, the condition in these parts is really bad. Again this is from a EU report ..... independent source ..... if you want i can elobrate

As for POK being calm ..... even whole of Pakistan was calm during the army takeover in Paksitan .... so you mean to say there was no problem with Pakistan Army taking over !!!!!

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Check

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1994_cr/h940622-terror-pak.htm

tum se kalam akhri hai
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From the Islamabad Declaration, adopted by the 34th Session of OIC Foreign Ministers on May 17, 2007:

"We reaffirm our support to the people of Jammu & Kashmir for their unalienable right to self-determination in accordance with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the aspirations of the Kashmiri people. We call for respect for the human rights of the Kashmiri people, and agree to provide all possible political and diplomatic support to the true representatives of the Kashmiri people in their struggle against foreign occupation..."

From the statement of Prof. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, Secretary-General of the OIC, to the UN General Assembly on September 16, 2005:

"Many people in the Muslim World are still deprived of their rights to self-determination or are living under foreign occupation, as is the case in Palestine and Kashmir."

This is just scratching the surface. There are plenty more where these came from.

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[quote="janab-e-ali, post:13, topic:184660"]

No country has a right to commit the kind of war crimes India has...from butchering tens of thousands of civilians and raping thousands of women, to arson and looting, your army has done it all. Not to mention how they've recruited their own band of thousands of militants that they use to terrorize the local population.

change the newspaper you are reading. we dont hire militants. and raping and looting is done by the terrorists that you are defending. you want to say that Indian army kicked out pundits from kashmir and killed a lot of them?

**What a stupid argument.

The British occupied India for at least 190 years before they were expelled...by your logic, for most of that time Indians must have loved colonial rule, because they would have gotten their independence much sooner if they hadn't.**

your argument is stupid. you are comparing foreign invasion with domestic problem.

No one is talking about your motherland. We're discussing Kashmir, and the people there have repeatedly made it abundantly clear that they want nothing to do with Indian rule.

kashmir is the part of my motherland. and yes i am talking about kashmir.

Indeed we are. What does that have do to with wanting to live under Indian occupation?

India owns what is rightfully its, half of the indian kashmir is occupied by pakistan.
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Thankfully Indian still aren't allowed to buy land in Kashmir.**
but kashmiris are allowed to buy land elsewhere. fair isnt it?

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[quote="_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah, post:1041, topic:184552"]

*How do you know I haven't been to Kashmir? India is an illegal occupier of the state, and this is visible by the fact that every year on the Indian independence day, the whole of Kashmir valley shuts down (economically). Please explain to me why! *

lol. you cant accept a united india do you. other two parts of kashmir dont shut down you know.

By the way, why did you avoid the question I asked in my previous post?

i dont keep track of every bit of news coming from pakistan. i am concerned with the news coming from pakistan. btw now since you said it, i havent heard any news coming from POK , good or bad. and i read a lot of Pakistani newspapers.

*Please provide us with authentic neutral sources proving that Pakistan is the source of Kashmir dispute. *
lol... go visit PDF or read any news paper. you really didnt ask this?

Apparently, there are no significant tensions in Pakistani occupied Kashmir. I wonder why...

apprantly they are busy in rest of the country.

Kia aap ne Ghalib Movie dekhi hai!
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Like the vast majority of your countrymen, you're either ignorant of your government's genocidal policies in Kashmir, or you simply support them. The Indian government started its own countermilitant terrorist organization, the Ikhwan-ul-Muslimeen...a fact that is openly acknowledged in even the Indian media.

And yet, the Indian army is far more hated in Kashmir than the militants.

Go look up the MORI survey from 2002...your government loves to quote select findings from it in official documents, so you can't really claim it's biased against India. The researchers found that 65% of interviewed Kashmiris thought that the Indian army was guilty of widespread human rights violations...while only 2% thought the militants were guilty of the same.

We don't consider ourselves Indian...we never have...we were never asked whether we wanted to join India...nor have your nation's colonial attitudes towards us helped the situation...for us, Indian occupation is every bit as foreign as British/Dogra rule was.

LOL...you try to argue that Indian occupation isn't foreign rule, and in the next breath you talk about how your country "owns" Kashmir. Colonial attitudes through and through.

You won't need to worry about us buying your land once we have our independence.

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Janab ...... i dont see them saying "Indian occupation" ...... want to see India mentioned. As far as i care it is Pakistan and China which are the foreign occupiers of Kashmir. Even UN "resolutions"expilicitly mention that Paksitan has to vacate its forces from Kashmir ..... i haven't seen India mentioned in the same light even in UN resolutions or even OIC resolutions.

This declaration was held in Islamabad even then OIC did not mention India by name ...... So you can harp on forign occupation and i will "support"that .... even i would like to see the "foreign "power like Pakistan and China out of Kashmir.

what is the one subject
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My oh my … the militants are "warning"the Kashmiri’s to stay away from joining Army … wonder why the youths in Kashmir want to join the "hated "army

Militants warn Kashmiri Muslims joining Army

“Muslim youth of Kashmir should refrain from joining the Indian Army or else their families and relatives will be targeted,” a spokesman of the self-styled ‘G-4’, comprising Al Nasireen, Farzandan-e-Millat, Save Kashmir Movement and Al Istiqlal, said in a faxed statement.

These militants have got it so wrong … so have you Janab …get a reality check

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You're delusional.

From a 1995 memorandum on human rights abuses in Kashmir by Ambassador Nacre Benjelloun-Touimi, then chairman of the OIC, presented to the chairman of the UN Commission on Human Rights:

"The true representatives of the Kashmiri people from Azad Kashmir and Indian occupied Kashmir attending the fifty-first session of the Commission on Human Rights met in Geneva on 23 February 1995 under the aegis of the representative of the OIC Secretary General. The meeting was in accordance with the provisions of the resolution on Jammu and Kashmir, passed unanimously during the Seventh Islamic Summit held in Casablanca in December 1994."

"A large part of the disputed State of Jammu and Kashmir is under the occupation of around 600,000 Indian troops"

"Since January 1990, India has been engaged in a campaign of repression against the Kashmiri people, in which 40,000 innocent Kashmiris have been killed, 32,000 wounded, 55,000 are missing and more than 20,000 have been disabled. During this period 4,700 Kashmiri women between the ages of 7 and 80 and have been raped by members of the Indian occupation forces. Properties worth billions of dollars have been destroyed"

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Ah yes...the desperate rants of yet another Indian bigot.

I can see how that might confuse you, seeing as to how your own beloved mahatma encouraged Indians to join the foreign occupation forces and help brutally suppress the independence movements of other colonized peoples.

Perhaps its poverty and bleak economic prospects in a land languishing under foreign occupation...the same kind of factors that lead your ancestors to line up to join the British army back during the colonial era.

LOL. A couple hundred misguided, impoverished Kashmiri youth join the army, and that disproves the damning findings of an Indian-financed poll that's considered credible by the GOI itself. I think you're the one who needs the reality check.

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R E S O L U T I O N ….. here I have spelled it out for you. You see even your OIC does not call India an occupying country. Still you maintain that India is occupying Kashmir. Let me see you show some other source ….. any source …. Please don’t link me to some Jehadi website or “true” representatives of Kashmir, I know what they have to say

Now coming to your “cut & paste”…. As I have said before you are a master in deception. Now you claim this is a letter from OIC chairman sent to UN commission on Human Rights. Now I will post & show you web of “lies” written above

The letter from OIC chairman is attached herehttp://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/TestFrame/68764c30a9563c0e802566ac003c1578?Opendocument This is from “official “UNHCHR website and not from Indian media. No mention of Indian occupied Kashmir. Read it twicw if you cannot belive it , but the you knew it all along

Now for the part you have highlighted …… this was a memorandum from “true representatives of kashmiri people”, which OIC had “requested to circulate”.
Letter from the Permanent Representative of

Earlier, OIC had requested the circulation of a memorandum of human rights violations by the representatives of the Kashmiri people, as a document of the fifty-first session of the Commission.

You understand English better then me. It was not a memorandum from OIC ambassador to UNHCHR

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Do you always start with name calling. The same description applies to you as well.

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Last year there was close to 3000 and you say only a few hundreds. If it is only a few, why are the militants getting upset and threatning people. They have realized their game is up ..... heard about the protest in Gulmarg .... it seems HM had to clarify that they were not responsible for the grenade attack .... hmmmm some one is getting upset. It seems they DO want Indian tourists to visit Kashmir.......

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^ Any tourists will do, Indian or not, as long as it gets the local economy rolling.

India and Pakistan both ARE occupying Kashmir.

Indian forces, just like the Dogra were, are foreign to kashmiris.

Majority of the Indian soldiers who have died in Kashmir will (if they already aren’t) burn in hell, as will the terrorists who have killed innocent people.

aam bandha, you have no idea what you are talking about, just because you know how to use google.com doesn’t mean that you know what happens in Kashmir, and what the people of Kashmir want. Nearly all in the troubled region want independence, view the Indian forces as occupying forces, and dont want to the union.

Most Kashmiris Don’t Want Union

btw, I Я Kashmiri!!! (from indian side)

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Good for you & you should be proud of it .....

Now how come Dogra troops are foreign !!!!!! or you are limiting your independence to Kashmir Valley only.

You see there are so many groups asking for diferent things in Kashmir that you have to really know what one is talking about. So my guess is that you are limiting your "independence"to kashmir valley and not to Jammu, Ladakh and the Pakistani part of J & K.

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How completely and utterly pathetic.

I've already posted resolutions condemning "foreign" occupation...which, being as laughably deluded as you are, you assume is referring to Pakistan, despite the fact that even the Indian government is constantly whining about the OIC's "anti-India" statements. In any case, here you go:

DECLARATION ON JAMMU AND KASHMIR
THE TENTH SESSION OF THE ISLAMIC SUMMIT CONFERENCE
(SESSION OF KNOWLEDGE AND MORALITY FOR THE PROGRESS OF UMMAH)
PUTRAJAYA, MALAYSIA
20-21 SHAABAN, 1424H
16-17 OCTOBER, 2003

"...Gravely concerned that in disregard of its obligations under the Universal Declaration on Human Rights and the relevant Conventions, including Geneva Convention, India has continued to violate, with impunity, fundamental human rights of the Kashmiri people;

Regretting that India has rejected Pakistan's proposal for a reciprocal ceasefire along the Line of Control and within the Indian occupied Kashmir and also the repeated offer of enhanced monitoring of the LoC on both sides in Kashmir..."

I'm curious to see what pathetic excuse you cook up to disregard this too.

Lets Play Hangman!!!
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those terrorists will burnt in hell

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This is declaration done on the side lines of the OIC … Pakistan get its cronies to OIC summit and then as it is a matter of Ummah, they will have a meeting of the contact group . Please spare me these propaganda meeting by Pakistan and its cronies. It does not mean a hoot. Do you understand a difference between a resolution and a declaration… just checking… here goes

http://www.hvk.org/articles/1003/143.html

The Meeting of the OIC Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir held on the margins of the OIC Summit Conference at Kuala Lumpur on 16 October 2003 October 2003

Janab … I WANT TO SEE OIC RESOLUTION NAMING INDIA AS AN OCCUPYING FORCE … simple. Since there isn’t anything of the kind , even by OIC which
says India is an occupying power.

The bias of OIC can be seen even in this “contact group” declaration … they want teh UN resoluation implementend in Indian J & K only … hmm … there goes your dream 1/3 of Kashmir by OIC to Pakistan. So much for your Paksitani brother supporting you and your cause. Get your "homeland"from India and dont think about Pak Kashmir …

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