84% of Canadians consider the US wholly (15%) or partly (69%) to blame for Sept. 11

Is Canada becoming “anti-american” or have its people and leaders seen enough of morons like Bush? Is animosity with Bush worth losing the $1 billion daily trade with US?

**Canada **
Monday December 16, 2002
The Guardian

Now whereabouts on the axis of evil can we be? The country’s long-reigning leader thinks the president of the US is contemptible, a sentiment heartily reciprocated. The leader’s official spokeswoman directly insulted Bush, and she was repudiated only grudgingly. Almost every day some new outrage perpetrated by the US is reported in the newspapers, whereupon the Americans are denounced by commentators and letter-writers. Academics travelling across the country on book promotion tours say they are astounded by the level of anti-American vituperation out in the hinterland. Top-level relations with Washington, it is agreed, are at their worst level in decades. Can this mean war?
Well, maybe not. This is Canada that we’re talking about.

Since George Bush came to power, the neurosis has begun to turn in the direction of psychosis, because the current Washington orthodoxy is wholly inimical to the Canadian political culture. Canadians care about the environment (they have a lot of it). They are instinctively drawn to multilateral bodies, such as the UN and the international criminal court, which the Americans scorn. The idea of an inessential war against Iraq is widely regarded as insane. The most startling recent poll showed 84% of Canadians consider the US wholly (15%) or partly (69%) to blame for September 11. It is a remarkable indication of fundamental antipathy.

Furthermore, the Bush administration has compounded this with a series of gratuitously casual snubs. When the president spoke to congress after the attacks and praised Tony Blair and Britain to the skies, Canada - whose cooperation was crucial to the return to any kind of post-attack normality - was forgotten. When four Canadian soldiers were killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan, the American response was slow and brusque. And there have been various new-normality incidents involving Canadians, of Arab descent and otherwise, being given a disagreeable time by US border guards and cops.

North of the border, these incidents send the letter-writers bananas. Some of the trouble stems from the awful relationship between Bush and the Canadian prime minister, Jean Chretien, who was less skilful than Tony Blair in keeping his preference for Al Gore quiet during the 2000 election. Bush at least appears to know who Chretien is: only 8% of American adults, in the most recent poll, could name the neighbouring country’s leader, and even that number suggests a sample skewed towards Harvard - the usual figure is around 2%, with an undertow of support for Pierre Trudeau, who happens to be dead. Even so, only one-in-five knew that Ottawa was Canada’s capital.

These kind of polls, always well-publicised in Canada, add to the Canadians’ contempt for their neighbours. When Chretien’s spokeswoman, Francoise Ducros, called Bush a “moron” last month, the significant fact is not the remark - which is common global currency - but the circumstances. She said it to a Canadian journalist, in a manner that suggested she was saying something that was obvious, rather than something that could cause any embarrassment. Had she not been overheard by a less sympathetic reporter, it would have gone unreported.

“The Canadians will say (regarding Iraq invasion) we would prefer that they go through the security council,” said the Toronto Star columnist Haroon Siddiqui. “There will be demonstrations, but polite ones, because this is Canada. There will be stinging editorials. Then we will fold and join them, because we have no choice. There is a rightwing cheering section allied with the US that says ra-ra-ra to everything. It’s not a majority. But the reality is we cannot have our trucks stalled at the border. They have to keep rolling.”

The most startling recent poll showed 84% of Canadians consider the US wholly (15%) or partly (69%) to blame for September 11. It is a remarkable indication of fundamental antipathy.

Very startling, especially as we are led to believe that it is only in some parts of the Muslim world that these sentiments are held? I think there was a similar poll in Europe, with a significant number blaming the US for 9/11, as well. As time goes by, more and more people around the people are waking up to the actual realities.

probably conducted the vote in mississauga. if they did it in say...calgary of st.johns it would be a different story.

>>if they did it in say…calgary of st.johns it would be a different story.<<
hmm, well i have nothing to back this up but i doubt that is necessarily true. In which other western country (except for Canada) can the leader, no less a person than the Prime Minister himself, openly state that perceived Western arrogance played a part in the 11 September attacks? And not have to apologize to the public afterwards, for making this statement? i remember when he made these statements; the radio stations were flooded with calls of support from your average Joe on the street.

i live in one of the cities you have mentioned, and i have lived in the vicinity of the other city, for four years each. There is that aspect of us depending upon the US for our trade ($1bn daily), but i think it is often forgotten that this is also a two-way trade between the two neighbours; remember, their market also relies upon our exports. (Without doubt, admittedly, the disparity between our dependence upon them, and vice versa, is of course significant; there should be absolutely NO rational contradicting of that).

Calgary has many corporate affiliations, plenty of multinational oil corporations’ headquarters. The western parts (except BC) have always been rather conservative. But it is also noteworthy that the World Petroleum Congress’s meeting two years ago, in Calgary, was greeted by a very vocal protest movement - located right in the core of the conservative downtown area - comprised of not just your ‘usual’ suspect Marxist groups, but from a wide spectrum of citizens.
For as long as Calgary’s economy depends upon oil and gas resources, in MY opinion, it will always remain slightly more conservative than the rest of the country (or province), but that doesn’t negate the fact that it is gradually changing. Population demographics is also a factor - it is becoming one of the more multicultural cities in the country.

As for St. John’s - based upon my own personal experiences (which i know can be wrong), the eastern Maritime areas have always been MUCH more left-leaning than any other part of the country. Remember, they (and other citizens in small Cdn. provinces) have a fear of the US gradually gaining more authority over them - i remember fears in Nova Scotia of it becoming the 52nd state. Even the PM of our country can get away with making the above statement underlying desperation and poverty as a partial lead-up to the acts on 11th September last year; Chretien’s rating did not plummet subsequent to his making those remarks which is a pretty interesting indictator, i think, of general Canadian attitudes towards the policies of our southern neighbour.

Good read, btw, 5Abi :k: Thanks for posting.

** Canadian Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, has warned the US and other wealthy nations against "humiliating" poorer countries and said perceived Western arrogance had played a part in the 11 September attacks. **

Notice that is Monsieur Chretian, the PM of Canada saying that, not some Muslim leader or group or such. The same sort of sentiments expressed by Chretian are growing across the western world, even in the UK. As time goes by people across the globe especially in in the non-Muslim will learn more and more about the events that led up to 9/11 and after.

Notice that is Monsieur Chretian, the PM of Canada saying that, not some Muslim leader or group or such. The same sort of sentiments expressed by Chretian are growing across the western world, even in the UK.
Chretien’s popularity did not decrease when he made that remark; infact his party is the strongest out of all of the political parties currently on the Canadian political scene.

It was the European Union’s external affairs commissioner, Chris Patten, who made a comment that the world must tackle “the root causes of terrorism and violence”. It’s not exclusively Muslims, or Arabs, or Asians - these opinions are becoming increasingly vocalized by a larger proportion of the world.

Thanks for that Nadia. I believe there was also a poll that showed most Europeans echoing the same sentiments as most Canadians i.e. that the US shared blame for 9/11?

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Thanks for that Nadia. I believe there was also a poll that showed most Europeans echoing the same sentiments as most Canadians i.e. that the US shared blame for 9/11?
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Yes, Malik, that poll was conducted showing that generally Europeans are echoing some of the same sentiments as Canadians. i was trying to find an article for this, i'll post it up when i do.

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Yes, Malik, that poll was conducted showing that generally Europeans are echoing some of the same sentiments as Canadians. i was trying to find an article for this, i'll post it up when i do.
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Thanks Nadia, I thought that was the case.

Europeans share the same sentiments, Asians share the same sentiments, and the whole world around Bush shares the same sentiments. Why is he such a knuckle-head and bent upon marching his armies where no man has gone before. Is he the anti-christ?

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Europeans share the same sentiments, Asians share the same sentiments, and the whole world around Bush shares the same sentiments. Why is he such a knuckle-head and bent upon marching his armies where no man has gone before. Is he the anti-christ?
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More like the "emperor" of a receding colonialist-imperialistic power, whom like other such rulers before him is oblivious to the opinions of the wider masses. Look what happened to such rulers and empires?

Where, oh where would this world be without that great high seat of moral and intellectual thought Canada? :dixsi:

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PS: No offence intended to our most worthy Canadian Guppies!

No anti-landmine treaty for starters.

Don't worry guys, soon Canada will also turn pro-American, when Al Qaeda decides to strike in Canada. Then Jean Chretien himself will be calling for a war on Muslims!

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Sure about that? The same PM who has already stated "perceived Western arrogance played a part in the 11 September attacks"?

Just proves my point!

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Nadia, I think the point being made is that the socialist ideals that drive Chretien's sympathy for the terrorist's actions would not be so altruistic if his own country were to be attacked.

Exactly, Seminole! Thanks!

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