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so my cousin who is originally from uk but lives in pakistan is pregnant. she is planning to come to uk for her delivery. she wants to come at her 30th week , with medical approval, and then hope to stay till her newborn is a month old. she thinks this should be enough for her pregnancy and baby passport application.
now ihave heard she need to comes at least in august in order to book a bed in nhs hospital. i have heard stories that the doctors and and hospital wont give her an easy life and will ask why hse came so late just for delivery.
she says she cant leave her in laws and husband for almost 6 months espc that she had spend 3 months away in the start of her marriage
so that would be 9 months away in her first year of marriage.
i get her concerns. also she claims that nhs are not immigration officers and the worst they can do us give her a hard time but there will be no way they will refuse her treatmnent/ delivery as after all she is from uk.
now since i am not fully aware of the nhs system for those who come late just for the delivery.
please share your experiences. if you had cousins / friends who did the same.
i know nads123 used to come for delivery..maybe she can explain.
Sorry but why cant she have the baby in pakistan? Things like this make me mad, im pregnant and my local hospital is so stretched and its frustrating at how they clearly dont even have funds to upgrade their basic equipment such as ultrasound machines.
Anyway If you live full time outside the UK and are not in the UK for 90 days per year, you could well qualify as non-resident which means you dont get free healthcare. Does she have family here? Registered with a GP? Im assuming nadz has come back saying shes moved back and re registered etc just to have the baby.
Also even if she gives birth in pakistan her child can still get british citizenship. My cousin was here from early pregnancy but unfortunatley at 9 months pregnant her husband was killed at his friends weddjng in karachi so she flew back and had her baby there ultimatley. My mum went 3 months later and helped sort all her paperwork out and her daughter was granted citizenship and a brit passport. This was like 18 years ago but still the rules state if u have a qualifying link to a british citizen you can apply.
If one parent is a British citizen...children are eligible for British citizenship, despite where they are born. My father was born in the UK and my sibling and I both have British passports, even though we have never been to the UK and were born in Australia. The claim to British citizenship still stands (provided parents are married at the time of the child's birth).
she wants to come here as she is from.uk originally. she got married in pakistan and lives there for the moment. it is natural for her to come back to where she used to live and where she will ultimatly live for her delivery. i am pregnant too and nhs has always been bad but i dont think the problem really comes from the immigrants but rather the lack of political funding. now lets not get into this topic.
she has her parents, her siblings in london.
also in.pakistan the healthcare isnt that good and most cases are c section.just for the sake of money.
for my pregancy, i have been referred by a gp and will eventually get a bed.
what happens to her when she land 7months pregnant and go to her gp with whom she was registered prior to wedding?
also she has always lived in the uk but like me has belge citizenship. so her baby need to be born in the uk for british citizenship. she wont get belge has law are different now and she cant go deliver in belgium.
she has a pr status. meaning she has been exercing her treaty rights for more than 5 years in the uk...with studies and work.
so her baby gets british nationality. i will go through same route.
now we cant get belgium nationality as we have been granted nationily because of our parents belge immigration status. our kids are second generation and will not be belge by birth. so they will not get belge citizenship. it isnt that easy. very complicated system and you only realize how complicated things are when you start looking into it properly
Sorry i dont mean to be harsh but health tourism is a major issue for the uk. As the uk doesnt turn anyone away for its care. Yet has implications on the trust. Anyway.
If neither parents are british citizens then being born here doesnt mean the baby will qualify automatically. What is your cousins immigration status here in the uk? As being part of the EU you mentioned belgium she may well be entitled to free healthcare. Or if she has indefinante leave. However leaving it abit fine wont help
Beds dont get "booked" unless you are having a planned c sec. If labour ward is busy some moms do end up waitinf in side rooms until a bed comes available depends on where you are giivng birth and how busy they are.
She will need to register with a GP, who will in turn refer her to a midwife who will do a booking in appointment she will need all her notes etc.
The sooner she comes probably easier.
she wants to come here as she is from.uk originally. she got married in pakistan and lives there for the moment. it is natural for her to come back to where she used to live and where she will ultimatly live for her delivery. i am pregnant too and nhs has always been bad but i dont think the problem really comes from the immigrants but rather the lack of political funding. now lets not get into this topic.
she has her parents, her siblings in london.
also in.pakistan the healthcare isnt that good and most cases are c section.just for the sake of money.
for my pregancy, i have been referred by a gp and will eventually get a bed.
what happens to her when she land 7months pregnant and go to her gp with whom she was registered prior to wedding?
health tourism term will not apply to her she is returning to her country of residence tp give birth. in essence she is a expat returning to uk and not an immigrant. she is already register with a gp. her last visit was in jan/feb just before she flew off to pakistan again.
us european do not need an immigration status and automatically qualify for permanent residency without application. the british passport for her child is not an issue for her.
coming to the actual topic, what are the risk of coming at 7 months and going to your registered gp. can he refuse referral to a midwife?
There are plenty of rule and regulations around the british citizenship and it’s not as easily passed down to your children as some people are making it sound here.
If you’ve “inherited” the british citizenship in another country than UK and you were also born outside of UK/Never lived in UK then your children will not get the British passport regardless of your nationality. (<- Generally speaking)
As for your question @parisbynight; I personally only know of one case where a lady arrived 8 months pregnant to UK for delivery, as far as I know she was not refused. I doubt a GP is going to refuse a referral if she tells him she is planning to stay otherwise look into private delivery?
private services also require referrals from gp dont they? she is open to consider private as long she gets referred and all goes smoothly in the 8weeks prior to her due date
i have asked her to come earlier but due to personal reasons she cant.
There are plenty of rule and regulations around the british citizenship and it's not as easily passed down to your children as some people are making it sound here.
If you've "inherited" the british citizenship in another country than UK and you were also born outside of UK/Never lived in UK then your children will not get the British passport regardless of your nationality. (<- Generally speaking)
I have inherited British citizenship through my UK born father and I have never even visited the UK. The UK passport office has informed me (about 2 weeks ago when I rang to inquire) that my future children will also be eligible for UK citizenship (even if they are born outside the UK), although my husband is not (unless we go and live in the UK for 5 years and go through that process). Going from my situation, it appears to me that if one parent is a British citizen, then that entitlement DOES pass on to the children even if they are born outside the UK (as I was).
Off topic a little, but my husband has a friend in Pakistan who upon the death of his father, found a British passport in his documents/flies. The son never knew that his father had obtained British citizenship through his investments etc and business (not sure of the exact details) but after researching it and making enquires, this guy found out that he is also eligible through his fathers British citizenship and he is now settled in Manchester with his own family.
Like I said before in the UK they dont refuse care. If she comes at 7 months its just more pressure on her to get things in place sorted. so is she actually registered with a gp? They may ask her why she hasnt been in etc since jan/feb and maywell have removed her off their books so worth checking and get herself re registered. Fair enough she is a citizen like you said but technically it is health tourism as she hasnt contributed any taxes etc and is expecting free healthcare but lives abroad!
My SIL lives in UAE, she owns a house here etc and raves about her lifestyle and money but clearly dubai isnt nice when you have to pay for your treatment hence she flys back every few months to see her gp and get repeats etc just to ensure she is on their books still and get treatment. Whereas some expats face issues as they have been away for so long that despite being british citizens they still dnt qualify for free treatment. If she is prepred to go private im sure there are plenty of private hospitals in pakisran also which wont cost as much as here,
It depends what kind of British citizen your dad was and you are - British citizen by descent cannot transfer their citizenship to their kids if they are not born or settled in the UK
And by “descent” as far as I understood it means you’re born outside UK and got your nationality via a parent who was British citizen otherwise than descent.
I don’t know you case so I obviously cannot comment on that, however I know at least 3 different families who faced this problem so I’m pretty sure it isn’t just about the parent holding a British passport. I believe they say 2nd generation is as far as you can go being an overseas British citizen.
Nothing odd in that. His father was a british citizen otherwise than descent hence your husbands friend became a British citizen without being born in the UK. However, if he had stayed in Pakistan, I’m not sure his kids would have been British Citizen as well as I’m pretty sure he probably was classified as “British Citizen by Descent” . As I said, the rules and regulations around british passport are more complicated then what most people think
